| #51 - Posted 17 March 2009, 9:01 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5613 | RE: Well... [QUOTE=PeRod] Talia, reading “El Día” –a Dominican newspaper– (Monday, March 16, 2009, page 18) you can find this information (the translation, comment and italics are mine): BERRY, THE MOST ATTRACTIVE GIRL. Halle Berry [the Oscar winner actress] was considered by the audience of an American TV channel like the [B][I]black woman most attractive in the world[/I][/B], in front of Tyra Banks and Alicia Keys. Again she was the sexiest in this classification, organized by TV One after other poll of that media proclaimed her [I]the most beautiful black woman in 2008[/I]. Halle Berry? Here we go again: the one drop rule. How does a real black woman feel about “her” representation? If you look at her hair, her nose and her lips you are going to see the characteristic of a white woman. How does a real black woman expect a better appreciation for her beauty if even [I]the most attractive black woman[/I] looks like a white woman with a darkened skin? [I]Comment[/I] [/QUOTE] You know, that's the first thing that came to my mind when reading that. Another thing that can't help to remind me of that atrocious racial nuance is when people keep portraying Obama as "the first black president" when he is clearly a 50/50 if there ever was one. Edited on 3/17/2009 9:02 AM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #52 - Posted 17 March 2009, 9:17 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577 | RE: Well... Lautaro, I have met a lot of very pretty “black” women (it is really nice to see beautiful “morenitas” with their marvelous bodies) and I do not think that they need women almost white to represent them. |
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| #53 - Posted 17 March 2009, 4:21 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 2707 | RE: Well... Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: I wonder if that Borgella girl is a descendant of Geronimo Borgella, the governor of Santo Domingo under Boyer.... Here's a pic of the palace where this guy actually stayed... I didn't know about it until you mentioned ![]() Edited on 3/17/2009 4:21 PM by CarlosFranco. |
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| #54 - Posted 17 March 2009, 9:36 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 678 | RE: Well... Quote: PeRod previously said: How does a real black woman expect a better appreciation for her beauty if even the most attractive black woman looks like a white woman with a darkened skin? Easy, she says "deuces" to what society thinks, falls in love with her insecurities, and then realizes she's a beauty queen. PeRod what can one do? This is what I was talking about. Halle favors most of the criteria for that media-driven attraction. But is it really that startling, you look at the majority's influence- so powerful I think it has hit subconscious (some 2nd nature thinking) levels throughout man's history. I believe denying that an aspect of its influence would be a sort of farce. You just have to decide on a conscience level what you think is and what you think isn't a particular name or label. It's healthy and almost logical that these things can never be agreed upon on a worldwide level. Edited on 3/17/2009 9:44 PM by talia. Dios le bendiga! “Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.” Pierre Teilhard de Chardin |
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| #55 - Posted 22 March 2009, 12:04 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5223 | RE: Well... Look people, I don't know what everyone is talking about when they talk about beautiful black women. If you take a really good look at the so called black girls that we all call beautifull, if you see them up close and analyze their looks, the ones that are considered the most physically appealing and attractive; you will notice that they are the ones who all have softened negroid features. In other words the best looking black women, all have predominately caucasian features and not the other way around. Look at Beyonce, Halle Berry, Vanessa Williams, Mariad Carey if you want to call her black and maybe Rihanna and many others like them and you will notice that they look more caucasian then negroid. All of us praise, celebrate, and boast caucasian features in black women as the ones who are most attractive. With just a few exceptions every now and then, but very rarely does a beauty pagent have any finalist coming from the African continent such as: the Republic of Congo, Nigeria, Rhuanda, Malawi, Somalia, Senegal and others, just to name a few. So don't anybody give me the crap about beautiful black women, when in fact it is the black women with lightest skin, straighest hair, smallest nose and the smallest lips who is the fairest of them all. Edited on 3/22/2009 12:11 AM by guillermone. |
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| #56 - Posted 22 March 2009, 10:15 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 678 | RE: Well... Quote: guillermone previously said: Look people, I don't know what everyone is talking about when they talk about beautiful black women. If you take a really good look at the so called black girls that we all call beautifull, if you see them up close and analyze their looks, the ones that are considered the most physically appealing and attractive; you will notice that they are the ones who all have softened negroid features. In other words the best looking black women, all have predominately caucasian features and not the other way around. Look at Beyonce, Halle Berry, Vanessa Williams, Mariad Carey if you want to call her black and maybe Rihanna and many others like them and you will notice that they look more caucasian then negroid. All of us praise, celebrate, and boast caucasian features in black women as the ones who are most attractive. With just a few exceptions every now and then, but very rarely does a beauty pagent have any finalist coming from the African continent such as: the Republic of Congo, Nigeria, Rhuanda, Malawi, Somalia, Senegal and others, just to name a few. So don't anybody give me the crap about beautiful black women, when in fact it is the black women with lightest skin, straighest hair, smallest nose and the smallest lips who is the fairest of them all. That's basically what I reiterated. Guillermone, you see how you called those beautiful women black, well PeRod and others have a problem with that. They say that its all due to the one-drop rule. What the heck is in a name anyway? And what about acknowledging and respecting what these women call themselves. If they identify more with a group of people and want to stay under that umbrella than that's what they want people to respect. Edited on 3/22/2009 10:27 AM by talia. Dios le bendiga! “Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire.” Pierre Teilhard de Chardin |
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| #57 - Posted 22 March 2009, 3:31 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5223 | RE: Well... You know, I hate to label people by their "race." If a person is what they are it is not in most cases necesarily because you belong to a particular race. If a girl is beautiful, she is beautiful no matter what, and vice versa, if you are ugly, you are ugly no matter the race, period. |
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| #58 - Posted 22 March 2009, 4:12 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2266 Posts: 1533 | RE: Well... Quote: guillermone previously said: You know, I hate to label people by their "race." If a person is what they are it is not in most cases necesarily because you belong to a particular race. If a girl is beautiful, she is beautiful no matter what, and vice versa, if you are ugly, you are ugly no matter the race, period. Ít is just that it seems that being Negroid of *PURE* bloodline entails being ugly...it just does. |
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| #59 - Posted 22 March 2009, 6:17 PM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3319 | RE: Well... cyberdragon, I'd like to see things from your point of view but I can't seem to get my head that far up my as$. |
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| #60 - Posted 22 March 2009, 9:42 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577 | RE: Well... Guillermone, I repeat it one more time: this topic is not “about beautiful black women” (and you can understand “black” as you wish), it is about “the beauty of the Haitian women” and you can not use women with “softened negroid features” to represent the Haitian women (the standard Haitian women). Do you think that Michel Jackson (or even Barak Obama) looks like the standard Haitian man? Can you use those models –those “black” men– to represent how the standard Haitian men look? I do not think so. Does Will Smith –a “black” man too– look like the standard Haitian man? No. The absolute negroid features are essentials to show what you can expect in Haiti. You are right when you say: “the best looking black women, all have predominately caucasian features and not the other way around… they look more caucasian then negroid” but you are completely wrong when you say: “All of us praise, celebrate, and boast caucasian features in black women as the ones who are most attractive”. People like me really appreciate the beauty of a woman with negroid features and I think that there is a place for them too. (That is what I am asking for). You say that “very rarely does a beauty pageant have any finalist coming from the African continent such as: the Republic of Congo, Nigeria, Rhuanda, Malawi, Somalia, Senegal and others, just to name a few” but who organize those pageants and what market are they for? I think the black women have something to say and that they must say it. Edited on 3/22/2009 9:44 PM by PeRod. |
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