| #81 - Posted 31 March 2009, 10:09 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2405 Posts: 8 | RE: Well... Thanx girl for the info. I just got mad because there isn't a typical hatian look and there is no such thing as a black person not having black features. If its on a black person than those features are black, the people that black people orginated from (africans) are the most diverse race of people on the planet there are africans who look asian those who have straight hair those whose lips are thick, there are places where the people are tall and thin and places where they have more muscle mass etc. So there is no such thing as "typical negroid features." I have friends from africa so I know. Anyways thanks for the insight. |
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| #82 - Posted 1 April 2009, 12:47 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 439 | RE: Well... Quote: sashaisminniemouse previously said: Thanx girl for the info. I just got mad because there isn't a typical hatian look and there is no such thing as a black person not having black features. If its on a black person than those features are black, the people that black people orginated from (africans) are the most diverse race of people on the planet there are africans who look asian those who have straight hair those whose lips are thick, there are places where the people are tall and thin and places where they have more muscle mass etc. So there is no such thing as "typical negroid features." I have friends from africa so I know. Anyways thanks for the insight. I understand what you're saying but generally we were speaking of the most of the women in-present day Haiti. Not really black females all over the world or haitianas in the diaspora. And that's what the discussion came to be about later in the topic. Its really about the majority of females in Haiti today. http://www2.dominicantoday.com/dr/forum/dominicans-abroad/haiti/687/Well/3 If you click on that link and go to the 7th post down you'll see that PeRod the Dominicano agreed that this is the real look of most haitianas in present-day Haiti. Dios le bendiga! |
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| #83 - Posted 1 April 2009, 9:11 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4955 | RE: Well... Quote: talia previously said: Quote: sashaisminniemouse previously said: Thanx girl for the info. I just got mad because there isn't a typical hatian look and there is no such thing as a black person not having black features. If its on a black person than those features are black, the people that black people orginated from (africans) are the most diverse race of people on the planet there are africans who look asian those who have straight hair those whose lips are thick, there are places where the people are tall and thin and places where they have more muscle mass etc. So there is no such thing as "typical negroid features." I have friends from africa so I know. Anyways thanks for the insight. I understand what you're saying but generally we were speaking of the most of the women in-present day Haiti. Not really black females all over the world or haitianas in the diaspora. And that's what the discussion came to be about later in the topic. Its really about the majority of females in Haiti today. http://www2.dominicantoday.com/dr/forum/dominicans-abroad/haiti/687/Well/3 If you click on that link and go to the 7th post down you'll see that PeRod the Dominicano agreed that this is the real look of most haitianas in present-day Haiti. Well, the reason for that look might stem from the fact that the majority of the africans that the french brought to the colony of Saint Domingue stemmed mainly from three tribes: The igbos, the fons and the aradas, all of which had their ancestral roots on the area that comprised the kingdom of Dahomey, present day Benin. If the french had the monopoly of the slave trade in Africa as the brits did, I'm sure that the population in Haiti today would be even more diverse than it is. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #84 - Posted 1 April 2009, 4:15 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577 | RE: Well... Sashaisminniemouse, welcome to the Dominican Republic. We hope you enjoy our company. Have a nice day! |
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| #85 - Posted 1 April 2009, 4:18 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577 | RE: Well... Talia, thanks. I like that: PeRod the Dominicano. See you, honey. |
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| #86 - Posted 1 April 2009, 8:46 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2141 Posts: 110 | RE: Well... This is to Sister Talia, and all you beautiful Black, African descent Sisters out there, as well as Brothers too. I just turned 62 and yes I love my Black Beauties. I note that some on these forums, have a problem with saying that they have African anything in their character. In the R.D., I've even had Haitian professionals, sneak their gratitude to me being their friend. Hey, I have to thank them for their unadulterated friendship. Now this attitude is also presented in the USA where I'm from. Well let me throw this one out to you in regards to beauty. How many young ones expect not be sagging old fat ladies and pot bellied men, when you get older? Or is beauty only available when you are young, light, and damn near white? Aretha Franklin and the late Celia Cruz, have maintained greater beauty and class, far superior to any of todays groupings. What I'm saying is that if you have a problem with some of us proud of our extra dose of Black African heritage, then I wonder if you refer to the darker ones at your family reunions, to be anaberration to your pure blood line? In fact it now causes me to wonder what others think of me, when I say how much I love my Black African Blood. It gives me great joy, seeing actress Vanessa L. Williams, never once belittling our pigmentation. Though stereotypical, she being very light, would be expected to do so. Especially if she allied herself with some of you on this forum. Personally, I'd rather grow old with a Happy, Black woman who loves love and loves me. As opposed to an unhappy woman, who dreads age like it was a plague. I may be light in light-skin, but I'm Black as hell on th inside. All Sisters Be Proud! |
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| #87 - Posted 2 April 2009, 11:33 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4955 | RE: Well... I think that much of the misunderstanding between the racial views of Anglo and Latin America could be summed up in the following statements by the social scientist Frank W. Sweet: "Much of the misunderstanding is due to imprecise word usage. Given their word usage, the Anglo-American claim that Latin Americans are more racist is sincere and accurate. Likewise for the Latin-American claim that the U.S. is the most virulently "racist" society on earth. Despite over a century of teaching by biologists, geneticists, and physical anthropologists, the vast majority of the U.S. public sincerely believes that our species comes in three or four "races." Americans rich and poor, educated and ignorant, and of every shade and ethnicity, believe this to the very marrow of their being (it can be subconsciously shown even in those who deny it) and nothing that you or I can say will change this. As a result of this belief, the vast majority of American parents teach their children from infancy that intermarriage is "a bad thing." But few adults use the words "a bad thing." They articulate their discomfort as whatever is the current phrase for "a bad thing." A hundred and fifty years ago, when educated Americans wanted to reject an idea, they said it was "divisive." A century ago, the polite term was "against progress." Fifty years ago, whatever Americans wanted to reject was labeled "communist." Today, the buzzword for "a bad thing" is "racist." In this context, what distinguishes Latin America from the United States is the latter's maintenance of a forcibly endogamous color line for over three centuries. The result has been the world-unique preservation of two genetically distinct U.S. populations (called White and Black). To Americans, of course, this is "normal" and Latins are horribly mixed. And so, needing to express their rejection of such mixing, Americans call the absence of a Latin-American color line the ultimate act of "racism." It is the current buzzword for "a bad thing." In the eyes of many if not most Americans, the very fact that Latin Americans intermarried for centuries and are now thoroughly mixed is "genocide" and "lynching." In short, it is the ultimate "racism." In the eyes of most Latin Americans, the above sentence is madness. It is the U.S. belief in "races," and in the necessity of preserving them, that is "racism." There is no common ground for communication. Each side sincerely, honestly, uses the word "racist" to label the other's beliefs." source: http://thestudyofracialism.org/about445.html "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #88 - Posted 2 April 2009, 11:38 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 4097 | RE: Well... Quote: Lautaro previously said: I think that much of the misunderstanding between the racial views of Anglo and Latin America could be summed up in the following statements by the social scientist Frank W. Sweet: "Much of the misunderstanding is due to imprecise word usage. Given their word usage, the Anglo-American claim that Latin Americans are more racist is sincere and accurate. Likewise for the Latin-American claim that the U.S. is the most virulently "racist" society on earth. Despite over a century of teaching by biologists, geneticists, and physical anthropologists, the vast majority of the U.S. public sincerely believes that our species comes in three or four "races." Americans rich and poor, educated and ignorant, and of every shade and ethnicity, believe this to the very marrow of their being (it can be subconsciously shown even in those who deny it) and nothing that you or I can say will change this. As a result of this belief, the vast majority of American parents teach their children from infancy that intermarriage is "a bad thing." But few adults use the words "a bad thing." They articulate their discomfort as whatever is the current phrase for "a bad thing." A hundred and fifty years ago, when educated Americans wanted to reject an idea, they said it was "divisive." A century ago, the polite term was "against progress." Fifty years ago, whatever Americans wanted to reject was labeled "communist." Today, the buzzword for "a bad thing" is "racist." In this context, what distinguishes Latin America from the United States is the latter's maintenance of a forcibly endogamous color line for over three centuries. The result has been the world-unique preservation of two genetically distinct U.S. populations (called White and Black). To Americans, of course, this is "normal" and Latins are horribly mixed. And so, needing to express their rejection of such mixing, Americans call the absence of a Latin-American color line the ultimate act of "racism." It is the current buzzword for "a bad thing." In the eyes of many if not most Americans, the very fact that Latin Americans intermarried for centuries and are now thoroughly mixed is "genocide" and "lynching." In short, it is the ultimate "racism." In the eyes of most Latin Americans, the above sentence is madness. It is the U.S. belief in "races," and in the necessity of preserving them, that is "racism." There is no common ground for communication. Each side sincerely, honestly, uses the word "racist" to label the other's beliefs." source: http://thestudyofracialism.org/about445.html Very insightful individual, this Mr. Sweet. "Don't ask me who's influenced me. A lion is made up of the lambs he's digested, and I've been reading all my life."-Charles de Gaulle |
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| #89 - Posted 2 April 2009, 12:20 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4955 | RE: Well... Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: I think that much of the misunderstanding between the racial views of Anglo and Latin America could be summed up in the following statements by the social scientist Frank W. Sweet: "Much of the misunderstanding is due to imprecise word usage. Given their word usage, the Anglo-American claim that Latin Americans are more racist is sincere and accurate. Likewise for the Latin-American claim that the U.S. is the most virulently "racist" society on earth. Despite over a century of teaching by biologists, geneticists, and physical anthropologists, the vast majority of the U.S. public sincerely believes that our species comes in three or four "races." Americans rich and poor, educated and ignorant, and of every shade and ethnicity, believe this to the very marrow of their being (it can be subconsciously shown even in those who deny it) and nothing that you or I can say will change this. As a result of this belief, the vast majority of American parents teach their children from infancy that intermarriage is "a bad thing." But few adults use the words "a bad thing." They articulate their discomfort as whatever is the current phrase for "a bad thing." A hundred and fifty years ago, when educated Americans wanted to reject an idea, they said it was "divisive." A century ago, the polite term was "against progress." Fifty years ago, whatever Americans wanted to reject was labeled "communist." Today, the buzzword for "a bad thing" is "racist." In this context, what distinguishes Latin America from the United States is the latter's maintenance of a forcibly endogamous color line for over three centuries. The result has been the world-unique preservation of two genetically distinct U.S. populations (called White and Black). To Americans, of course, this is "normal" and Latins are horribly mixed. And so, needing to express their rejection of such mixing, Americans call the absence of a Latin-American color line the ultimate act of "racism." It is the current buzzword for "a bad thing." In the eyes of many if not most Americans, the very fact that Latin Americans intermarried for centuries and are now thoroughly mixed is "genocide" and "lynching." In short, it is the ultimate "racism." In the eyes of most Latin Americans, the above sentence is madness. It is the U.S. belief in "races," and in the necessity of preserving them, that is "racism." There is no common ground for communication. Each side sincerely, honestly, uses the word "racist" to label the other's beliefs." source: http://thestudyofracialism.org/about445.html Very insightful individual, this Mr. Sweet. It might sound outlandish and far-fetched, but I consider him to be one of the brightest minds that Puerto Rico have given to the world ever since Hostos. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #90 - Posted 2 April 2009, 4:00 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: October 2008 Member #: 1478 Posts: 850 | RE: Well... You know, I've been trying real hard to stay out of this type of topic. I don't think we get any where with the attitude this kind of topic carries; and I will tell you why I personally feel this way. First of all, I think that if some one feel so strongly that Haitian are beneath Dominican or vice-versa then they really should take a good look at whom they are personally and then move on with their lives. I understand the complaint about too many Haitian Nationals flooding our country! And As most Dominicans I foresee it as a problem, not because of their specific color/Race, but because of the masses/number of them currently living in DR illegally. Now, I think this forum has become obsessed with "The Haitian Issue" This is DOMINICAN TODAY! Not HAITIAN TODAY! Seriously! Let's talk about better things, we sound like a bunch of Haitian hatin' Nazis. One thing is to suggest how to fix their migration problem, and another is to seat here and talk about them as if they where not human beings. Like it or not, all of us Dominicans have a little bit of black in us, if not directly from African Americans then from the migrated Haitians next door. Now if you want to fight the fact that they are taking over our land then that's one thing; but to talk about them as if they are the worst thing on the face of the earth because of their skin color is just not right. Now all types and races have their uglies and faults.... So please be kind to each other! There's only one Heaven and one Hell. I always remember this one phrase my father says; if you don't like then don't eat it! |
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