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#21 - Posted 30 April 2009, 1:12 PM
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belly you absolutelly right!! He looks like he's done little to help his people, but you have to take into consideration that the situacion was like that wayyy before preval came to office.
Remember what Obama said recently, That a Nation is not a speed boat that can change direction on a split second, a nation is more like a superTanker it takes a while to turn. And he was talking about america dude, Haiti will take a monumental herculean effort to turn that country around.
So accusing preval of doing little to fix that cluster fuck we call haiti is not right.
Besides I like to hear some of the alternatives outthere to lead the haitian nation that are better than preval.

give me some names and backgrounds.



I think that with a good crew around him commandand BIBI is the only guy that can turn Haiti around. BIBI is a street well feared ganster in Haiti whos has done bad things in the past but is now changing his life around for the good. I know for sure he got the guts to move Haiti in the right direction if he choose to. In order to turn Haiti around you will have to have a very strong leader who is going to take a very hard turn to move forward. He knows how the streets in Haiti move and who is who in there too and thats what you need not somebody like preval who nobody fears or that is just scare for his own life. I say we should just declare President BIBI.
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#22 - Posted 30 April 2009, 4:10 PM
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I disagree with you guys on Rene Preval, he is more capable and has accomplished more than his predecessors, in a sense he is like leonel fernandez, you have and argument in saying that leonel policies are a failure and his corrupt government funcionarios run the country like a personal finca, but who's better? and who's done a better job before him?

and don't bring hipolito's into this conversation or I'm going to puke on my Keyboard

What preval have done ? We see it now moore, without aristide he's lost.


You have to be joking TN1804!!!

" What Preval have done? "

How about staying alive for a full term as Haitis president, something no Haitian president has been able to do since baby doc fled the country with all his money.
And how about trying to run the business of the Haitian people under extreme circumstances such as calamitous hurricanes and country wide protest and uncontrollable crime perpatrated by some of your fellow levalas scum.

How about running a government with a skeleton judiciary and legislative branches, all of this because the mentality of the Aristide sheep, who preaches that if is not Aristide in power the hell with the country and its people, everybody knows that.

In fact, that is one of the main reason why Haiti find itself in such a struggle to establish the foundation for a prosperous democracy, because of people like you that are not able to turn the page and work with others for the betterment of the country.

In my opinion given the historical and catastrophic socio economic situation in Haiti and the devastating blows deliver by mother nature and the world economy in the last couple of years, together with the destructive behavior of the opposition, spearheaded in part by the Levalas lacras Rene Preval had somehow manage to survive and even make a little progress in term of at least maintain something that resembles a government. (at least from afar).

I surprise that TN1804 haven't try to burn a tire around Preval's neck, i mean no disrespect but that is what you guys do when you don't agree with the president's policies.



If freaking Wyclef Jean is cool with the Guy, why not you?




16 millions for senators result = only 2percent of the population go to the election. Price for food are impossible to pay, kidnapping still here,UN still there....

Beside, Find in internet a recent news about haitian burning people with tire please ....
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#23 - Posted 1 May 2009, 12:40 AM
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16 millions for senators result = only 2percent of the population go to the election. Price for food are impossible to pay, kidnapping still here,UN still there....

Beside, Find in internet a recent news about haitian burning people with tire please ....


Thats exactly what i'm saying here. 16 million just image how many rice farms could preval have setup if he wanted to really move the country forward. The more people he involves in the process the slower it moves and we have seen this thru history so why repeat the same thing. Haiti needs first to produce its own foods and then setup its own army to keep peace. I'm may sound like repeating but a country who can't feed it self and can't protect it self then i'll call it a fail state. But that should not discourage Haitian to face the problem. its worse to know and ignore than to know and face the problem.
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Beside, Nicaragua is poorer than Haiti now, Why UN (I dont want a nicaragua invasion ) dont go there ? No, go to Haiti,Rape girl, go to Cité Soleil . Beside, when I see people of Sri lanka i'm wtf ? Sri lanka helping Haiti ????





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Beside, Nicaragua is poorer than Haiti now, Why UN (I dont want a nicaragua invasion ) dont go there ? No, go to Haiti,Rape girl, go to Cité Soleil . Beside, when I see people of Sri lanka i'm wtf ? Sri lanka helping Haiti ????







i agree.. Sri lanka needs to help itself now. there is a big genocide going on there.. however, i dont see UN troops there...
i really dont trust what the UN is doing in Ayiti.
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http://www.fanmilavalasny.com/main2/Lavalas_Achievement.html

Thats an article of what the lavalas government managed to achieve for Ayiti.
Many people talk bad about the Lavalas Government, but i am so sorry, this is the government that the mass voted for.

if you take away that government, then they feel robbed. Haiti's Elites never liked that government, so they did everything in their power to bring it down. They succeeded, they made Aristide look bad. They gave Guy Philippe weapons so that everything would work so smoothly.

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Beside, Nicaragua is poorer than Haiti now, Why UN (I dont want a nicaragua invasion ) dont go there ? No, go to Haiti,Rape girl, go to Cité Soleil . Beside, when I see people of Sri lanka i'm wtf ? Sri lanka helping Haiti ????



One of the main problems that i noticed and maybe i'm wrong here but it was that most Haitians seen to been buying into the idea that there is nothing left to do in Haiti and people have kind of cross their arms and hope for the best which in my thinking is just not good for any country. As a Dominican who have been to Haiti many times (12 or 13 times) i jsut think this state of mind is not the same of the nation that 200 yrs ago was the pearl of the caribbean. I know i talk a lot about illegall immigration herer and there but that does not mean i want Haiti to fail by any means. i want Haiti to be what it use to be and stop pointing fingers whos is pooerer or who is up or down. I would like to see Haitians fighting for what is their by any means necesary. But with all that said i think Commandant BIBI is the guy to move the country forward.
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Lavalas is the only party in Haiti that with one message, 90% of the population would be in the street. For them, if Aristide is in Exil, if they dont go to election it is the best thing ever. Why UN didnt do anything when preval and the CEP remove lavalas ? What's the result ? 2% of population go to election
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Beside, Nicaragua is poorer than Haiti now, Why UN (I dont want a nicaragua invasion ) dont go there ? No, go to Haiti,Rape girl, go to Cité Soleil . Beside, when I see people of Sri lanka i'm wtf ? Sri lanka helping Haiti ????



One of the main problems that i noticed and maybe i'm wrong here but it was that most Haitians seen to been buying into the idea that there is nothing left to do in Haiti and people have kind of cross their arms and hope for the best which in my thinking is just not good for any country. As a Dominican who have been to Haiti many times (12 or 13 times) i jsut think this state of mind is not the same of the nation that 200 yrs ago was the pearl of the caribbean. I know i talk a lot about illegall immigration herer and there but that does not mean i want Haiti to fail by any means. i want Haiti to be what it use to be and stop pointing fingers whos is pooerer or who is up or down. I would like to see Haitians fighting for what is their by any means necesary. But with all that said i think Commandant BIBI is the guy to move the country forward.

i agree with you on that one, but i must say that it is mostly a problem from the generation of people who fled during the Duvalier Era. I know a lot of Haitians kids my age, in Canada who barely know how to even speak kreyol, its almost as if the heritage is wiped out.
One the reasons i think this happens is because the people who fled in the duvalier era think that its ok to forget about Haiti. You see, In the time of duvalier, a lot of people were assassinated for trying to bring a change to the country, so people who fled the country kinda came up with the idea that going back and helping is a deadly thing.
they even forbid their kids to go back too! they tell their kids that Haiti is too dangerous. and i must say that the media never helped either. the media always depicted Haiti as a bad, and uninviting place. the media promotes danger in Haiti, while its crime rate is 5.6/100,000 ppl. Jamaica's crime rate is higher than that, so is colombia's! but the media will not mention that. it will just prefer to show Haiti as a bad place.
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Beside, Nicaragua is poorer than Haiti now, Why UN (I dont want a nicaragua invasion ) dont go there ? No, go to Haiti,Rape girl, go to Cité Soleil . Beside, when I see people of Sri lanka i'm wtf ? Sri lanka helping Haiti ????



One of the main problems that i noticed and maybe i'm wrong here but it was that most Haitians seen to been buying into the idea that there is nothing left to do in Haiti and people have kind of cross their arms and hope for the best which in my thinking is just not good for any country. As a Dominican who have been to Haiti many times (12 or 13 times) i jsut think this state of mind is not the same of the nation that 200 yrs ago was the pearl of the caribbean. I know i talk a lot about illegall immigration herer and there but that does not mean i want Haiti to fail by any means. i want Haiti to be what it use to be and stop pointing fingers whos is pooerer or who is up or down. I would like to see Haitians fighting for what is their by any means necesary. But with all that said i think Commandant BIBI is the guy to move the country forward.

i agree with you on that one, but i must say that it is mostly a problem from the generation of people who fled during the Duvalier Era. I know a lot of Haitians kids my age, in Canada who barely know how to even speak kreyol, its almost as if the heritage is wiped out.
One the reasons i think this happens is because the people who fled in the duvalier era think that its ok to forget about Haiti. You see, In the time of duvalier, a lot of people were assassinated for trying to bring a change to the country, so people who fled the country kinda came up with the idea that going back and helping is a deadly thing.
they even forbid their kids to go back too! they tell their kids that Haiti is too dangerous. and i must say that the media never helped either. the media always depicted Haiti as a bad, and uninviting place. the media promotes danger in Haiti, while its crime rate is 5.6/100,000 ppl. Jamaica's crime rate is higher than that, so is colombia's! but the media will not mention that. it will just prefer to show Haiti as a bad place.



Exactly what my mother is always saying me. I learn by " my self" at school. the new geneeration say that they know how to speak creole it's the most ridiculous thing they said, They undestand but if you say them to talk they speak with ugly words as " mwen faim" our " mwen pleuré" the real words is " mwen kriye".

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