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#11 - Posted 10 September 2010, 7:26 PM
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Once again Domicem is NOT Dominican Republic so lets stop the generalization trend building up here. If Jamaica believes this is breaking their laws then they can deal with it legally, don't blame Dominican Republic as a whole for what 1 Dominican company is doing. We can argue about the good and bad about Domicem but I won't allow generalizing the whole DR for the behavior of 1 company.
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once again, Belly, i realise that Domicem is not the Dominican Republic. i am not using it as a basis for generalisations. if you read my posting carefully, you would see that it is one example of a series of issues which troubled Caricom. the DR was admitted somewhere in 1998 to Caricom with limited status. a trade agreement actually exists between the DR and Caricom states, but full membership has been delayed, because no concensus has been arrived at regarding their full admission. in the past, member states have complained about reservations they have in the way the DR sought to do business. i myself have had issues just trying to get INFORMATION from the trade department here. i wanted to import certain jamaican products from a famous manufacturer. i called the offices, and was told to send an email with my questions to a lady, who would supply me with the data i needed. one year after i started the quest, i gave up, because not one of my 4 emails was answered. maybe that is why number 101 out of 139 countries is the place it occupies in the competitiveness rankings. Jamaica is not a heck of a lot better, but that is not the focus of this posting. maybe you should take the initiative to voice your concerns about such deficiencies to the relevant and offending parties, rather than taking umbrage when other observers discuss them
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The reason CARICOM has always fear fully admitting DR into CARICOM was and still is the same fear of opening the door wide open to a country with much more to offer quantity wise. Their fear have always been that DR would damage and maybe killed the local market in certain products plus they never got the feeling DR would be committed 100% to it since DR was also showing interest in the Central American market. The fear of competition has always been the reason from CARICOM.
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Competitive rankings is just a list not an indication what will happen or is happening. i.e. Just take Puerto Rico who ranks in the low 40s yet have been stuck in recession for years. So if this ranking was such a telling of economic performance then why doesn't it shows in so many cases. I'm not saying is not important to be rank high in competitiveness but that is simply a list how one pairs against another not an actual indication of who wins or loose.
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i agree that competitive rankings is not some sort of league table, listing winners and losers. what it does do is to serve as an immediate guideline for people who are thinking of investing abroad. when they see that you rank low in infrastructure, or innovation, or information technology, it will have some effect upon how they base their final decisions. it is no different than GDP figures, which, as i have repeated, mean absolutely nothing, when viewed in a vaccuum.
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once again, Belly, i realise that Domicem is not the Dominican Republic. i am not using it as a basis for generalisations. if you read my posting carefully, you would see that it is one example of a series of issues which troubled Caricom. the DR was admitted somewhere in 1998 to Caricom with limited status. a trade agreement actually exists between the DR and Caricom states, but full membership has been delayed, because no concensus has been arrived at regarding their full admission. in the past, member states have complained about reservations they have in the way the DR sought to do business. i myself have had issues just trying to get INFORMATION from the trade department here. i wanted to import certain jamaican products from a famous manufacturer. i called the offices, and was told to send an email with my questions to a lady, who would supply me with the data i needed. one year after i started the quest, i gave up, because not one of my 4 emails was answered. maybe that is why number 101 out of 139 countries is the place it occupies in the competitiveness rankings. Jamaica is not a heck of a lot better, but that is not the focus of this posting. maybe you should take the initiative to voice your concerns about such deficiencies to the relevant and offending parties, rather than taking umbrage when other observers discuss them


Indeed. And that's why having these small nations involved in ever greater expansive trade agreements is a good idea; because it breaks down the barriers to trade that would otherwise arise from domestic recalcitrant constraints. We all know of some guy or group that by chance of class or shady dealings has "won" some import monopoly. In the end the majority of the population is negatively served by the monopoly characteristics of these dealings. Trade Agreements force open these otherwise market restraining measures and provide a needed boost to market maturity and expansion.

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well, when the issue of the DR joining caricom was ventilated in this forum, most domnicans stated that the DR should not focus on entry to caricom, because it already had DRCAFTA. they felt that it was a feather in their cap to be trading with big, bad , Uncle Sam, while trading with Jamaica and Barbados would be belittling to such a great power as the DR. they were encouraged by their cheerleader, blutarsky, who sided with their nonsense. i tried to explain to them that asymmetric trading arrangements are usually detrimental to the smaller parties, and that trading partners of roughly equal market sizes generally end up with more mutually favorable incomes. well, look at it today...the trade imbalance betwen the USA and the DR is staggering, and the crap is yet to hit the fan. wait till all the regulations regarding intellectual property kick in, and Belkis can no longer buy the ibuprofen in the red white and blue packaging, but has to get stuff made by Merck or some other conglomerate. the DR has a healthy positive balance of trade with Haiti, because their demand for goods is greater than our demands for what they produce. it is not as though the local politicians do not know what i am talking about. they just refuse to do anything sensible.
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well, when the issue of the DR joining caricom was ventilated in this forum, most domnicans stated that the DR should not focus on entry to caricom, because it already had DRCAFTA. they felt that it was a feather in their cap to be trading with big, bad , Uncle Sam, while trading with Jamaica and Barbados would be belittling to such a great power as the DR. they were encouraged by their cheerleader, blutarsky, who sided with their nonsense. i tried to explain to them that asymmetric trading arrangements are usually detrimental to the smaller parties, and that trading partners of roughly equal market sizes generally end up with more mutually favorable incomes. well, look at it today...the trade imbalance betwen the USA and the DR is staggering, and the crap is yet to hit the fan. wait till all the regulations regarding intellectual property kick in, and Belkis can no longer buy the ibuprofen in the red white and blue packaging, but has to get stuff made by Merck or some other conglomerate. the DR has a healthy positive balance of trade with Haiti, because their demand for goods is greater than our demands for what they produce. it is not as though the local politicians do not know what i am talking about. they just refuse to do anything sensible.



Dread, at some point people and nations alike have to face the hard facts: if they want to advance and get better at their skill-set and making reality their expectations, they have to engage with the world, not put up walls. The Dominican Republic will do far better if it follows the road of Santiago de Chile than Santiago de Cuba. As with individuals, so with nations: Fear of competition and challenge do little to ones sense of worth and accomplishment.

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well, Atabey, we are on the same page today. hiding from competition is what makes you uncompetitive. if you have a football team, and the only other teams you want to compete against are those from the local girls´high school, your game will never improve. if you believe that protectionism is going to help you in the 21st century, you are better off shutting down your productive base , and importing everything.
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well, Atabey, we are on the same page today. hiding from competition is what makes you uncompetitive. if you have a football team, and the only other teams you want to compete against are those from the local girls´high school, your game will never improve. if you believe that protectionism is going to help you in the 21st century, you are better off shutting down your productive base , and importing everything.



Glad to see we agree Dread.


By the way Dread, what is your opinion of Professor Romer's theory of Charter Cities? I find it interesting to say the least. It could'nt be any worse than what we've seen over the past 100 or more years in DR and especially Haiti.

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