Lautaro,

You came out of no where with that. I see the difference with posters here. All of the sane posters have a good sense of humour and can take a little joke. On a serious note, what's your input on all of this. Or maybe you've answered without writing. Sometimes the best way to answer is not to say anything at all.

first time a forum has had over 100 posts on here. Gentlemen, we've reached a milestone

In my opinion the only thing that should be concerning us all is the enormous task that we have ahead, and that is to work for a better future for our unfortunate but beatiful island, an island that has defied all odds for its very survival. Heck, considering all the disasters that have befallen both nations, the only thing that one have to conclude is that, if there are some people which could call themselves God's chosen people, it's precisely the people living on Hispaniola.

YES INDEED, THERE IS THE STUFF I WANT AND NEED TO HEAR MORE OF FROM MORE HAITIANS AND DOMINICANS...

THIS GENERATION OF BOTH HAITIANS AND DOMINICANS HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THE ISLAND TO SURPASS THE OLD WAYS AND MENTALITIES OF THE OLD DIVIDES OF RACIAL AND PAST RESENTMENTS HAD LEFT FOR US TO DEAL WITH TODAY. WE CAN DO A LOT BETTR THAN THEY HAD DONE IN THE PAST!!!

Part of the problem, as I see it, is that one can never air out an opinion, and, when that opinion is challenged, provide third-party correlations of the facts. If you do you are most assuredly labeled "a wikinaut" or, worse, your sources are discredited. Wikipedia has its faults, being an open forum, but as an introduction to any topic it is a worthy and reliable source. Now going over my links that I put up I fail to see how most or even a bare majority are from Wikipedia. That's bullshit inference and a distortion of the facts. Most of my links are drawn from the online outlets of international agencies. Besides, just like any idiot can post on an open forum, so can any expert.

As for the interest and pride I (and many Hispanics) feel about our Spanish heritage, no one, but absolutely NO ONE, has a right to make me feel otherwise for any reason...least of all for their own personal and political agendas. Whether or not the Spanish have any feelings toward Dominicans is neither here nor there. I'm am proud of my ancestors. Of Jose Hernandez Terrero who left Extremadura and settled in La Jolla De Los Paulinos in the outskirts of San Francisco de Macoris. And I'm proud of Antoni Lluch Morel who left Cataluña and settled in La Bomba de Cenobi and later moved to Tenares where he met and married Doña Francisca Garcia y Paulino. Her people came from Galicia on both sides. And I´m proud of Gregoire Ben Jacques who left Wahran (Oran) in Algeria because of persecution to seek a new life in a new world.

I'm proud of all the nameless Arawaks that went into making me who I am and all the "concubines" from Africa who contributed their genes to my family tree.

But notice that I only can name the ones who registered at the Port of Palos in Southern Andalucia so that they could leave Spain legally to the colonies. Those records are there. If any Dominican has any interest in finding out when and where your Spanish side came from you can look for those records in the archives of the Cathedral of city of Seville. That was the repository for all immigration to the New World. Just like originally the Cathedral of Santo Domingo was the only entry and repository of records for all immigrants coming into the colonies...no matter where they were headed. That's how we know for sure that Simon Bolivar's family was first Dominican before they emigrated to newly granted land in Venezuela. It is a crying shame of history that the Africans and Arawaks names were lost to time. But that's just how it is and it is a fact that cannot be changed. It doesn't stop me from honoring them or from foregoing Catholicism to embrace Ifa as my religion in part to honor my African ancestry and because Yemaya (maferefum) demanded it so.

The depth of my knowledge is neither shallow nor cheap. I paid for my education and made sure I got my money's worth. I don't have any need or desire to belittle anyone's intelligence because I am perfectly secure in my own. But I also have no desire to coddle anyone's notion of racial pride.

L'importance de L'armee D'Haiti!
Par Wilgeens Rosenberg

J'adresse le contenu de cet e-mail aux Parlementaires et aux Deputes D'haiti pour qu'ils puissent l'executer apres que lectures et decisions soit faitent. Que pensez-vous Jabao? Je vous informerais qu'il serait mieux de renvoyer les soldats Onusiens chez eux ou leurs utilisent pout l'entrainement des Soldats Haitiens come nous avions fait en Irak.

Haiti peut leurs remplacer par des soldats Haitiens pour que leur salaire puisse etre depense au benefice de leur famille. Car quand un soldat de l'ONU recoit son salaire il envoie cet argent chez lui pour prendre soin de sa famille et le pays (D'Haiti) n'en beneficie absolument rien de lui. Tandis que pour un soldat Haitien cela ferait evidemment une tres grande difference et que sa soulevera grandement bien l'economie du pays. Le pays n'ira nulle part tant que la presence de cette force etrangere soit encore la.

"Si Prezidan peyi-a pa we nesesite prezans "l'armee D'haiti a" nan tout 4 kwen peyi a, ebyen li pa dwe la e yo ta dwe forse-l demissione tou poukoz "De haute trahison". Moman an rive pou ke tout bagay retounin nan nomalite yo. Peyi Dayiti pa pou prezidan Preval li pa pou pesonn. Selman paseke dwa yonn se dwa yon lot. Sa se yon rezon pou raison pou ke ansyen bon soldat yo dwe fe yon leve kanpe."
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The importance of the Haitian Army.
By wilgeens Rosenberg

I addressed the content of this e-mail to Parliamentarians and Deputies of Haiti so they can run it through for debate and investigative readings of course and perhaps later that decisions may be made on the matter.

I want to inform them as I am informing you that it would be better to start sending the UN soldiers home or use them for the training of new Haitian soldiers much like we have done in Iraq.

Haiti can be replaced by its own soldiers so that their salaries can be spent for the benefit of their families in the country. Because when a soldier of the United Nations receives his salary he sends money home to take care of his family and country and Haiti would enjoy or benefit nothing to that money. While a Haitian soldier could use that money and that money would obviously be a very big difference that could greatly raise the economy of the country through perhaps consumer spending.

The country will go nowhere as long as the presence of this UN force is still there and are showing no signs of ever having to leave anytime soon. Indeed they have helped maintain the security level to a somewhat acceptable point, but it would do Haiti a lot more good to start engaging into employing their very own Haitian Soldiers to be placed at the neighboring border of Dominican to administer and monitor any violations of human rights actions taken place so that there is not only the Dominican sides of the Stories when it comes to violations being committed either by Haitians or Dominicans at the border and for the Haitian soldiers to keep the Haitian people from crossing over.
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La importancia del Ejercito Haitiano
Por Wilgeens Rosenberg

Me dirigi el contenido de este e-mail a los parlamentarios ya los Diputados de Haiti para que puedan ejecutar a traves de debate y de investigacion de las lecturas de curso y tal vez mas tarde que las decisiones pueden ser realizados en la materia.

Informarles como estoy informando a ti Jabao ahora que seria mejor empezar a enviar soldados de la ONU de origen o los utilizan para la formacion de los nuevos soldados haitianos como lo hemos hecho en Iraq.

Haiti puede ser sustituido por sus propios soldados para que sus sueldos pueden ser gastado en beneficio de sus familias en el país. Porque cuando un soldado de las Naciones Unidas recibe su sueldo que envia dinero a casa para cuidar de su familia y su pais y Haiti se disfrutan o se benefician nada a ese dinero. Mientras que un soldado haitiano podria utilizar ese dinero y que el dinero seria, evidentemente, una gran diferencia que podria aumentar en gran medida la economia del pais, quizas a traves de gasto de los consumidores.

El pais se va a ninguna parte, siempre y cuando la presencia de esta fuerza de las Naciones Unidas sigue ahi y no muestran signos de haber tenido que abandonar en cualquier momento pronto. De hecho ellos han ayudado a mantener el nivel de seguridad a un punto algo aceptable, pero lo haria en Haiti mucho mas buena para iniciar la participación en el empleo de sus propios soldados haitianos que se pondrán a la vecina frontera de Dominicana para administrar y controlar toda violaciones de humanos de las medidas adoptadas para que no solo existe las historias del soldado Dominicanos cuando se trata de violaciones que se cometen ya sea por los haitianos o dominicanos en la frontera y para los soldados de Haiti a mantener el pueblo haitiano desde el cruce.

QUE PENSAS, CREES; CUAL ES TU OPINION?

Moi, je crois que l'analogie a la situation dans Irak est un peu comique. Simplement car cette mission la avec des soldats Irakien a echoue. L'ONU est surtout mieux qualifie pour rendre service comme agents du trafic.

Muchacho, you still did not say your take pertaining to UN troops in Haiti. "Comme agents du traffique" Que quieres a decir? No esta claro lo que esta tratando de transmitir... Verdad, no entiendo.

The UN troops are basically qualified to be traffic cops. They aren't qualified to train any military force. The troops in Iraq have been trained by the US military and its still far from being a success.

I think that the UN troops should leave Haiti altogether. Training should be left to the U.S. and the E.U. nations' forces they are better trained, better equipped, and don't need to use U.N. funds which could be better put for humanitarian aid. The U.N. has functioned best in the area of disaster relief and humanitarian aid. In the peacekeeping military arena it has been a historic failure.

I would object to any involvement of the United states in training a potential new Haitian Army. Remember the last time the Americans trained the Haitian Army.....They used it to their advantage to surpress the population by insinuating Army Generals like Raoul Cedras to launch "coupe d'etat" and to kill his own people. I rather have nations that Haiti can trust to help train any new army. For this, I think the Brasilians would be a good candidate. America has to much influence on Haiti....We dont't need them influence any potential new military.