I suggest both Haitians and Dominicans find a way to co-exist even if it means to shut down the border where it would require planes to be able to transport one to either sides of the Island; then of course DR will not blow up that border because why... Oh yeah, they still need Haitians to cross as they are saying at the same time they do not want them to cross and they know Haitians will not stop coming as long as they need money to survive. Here, have a read folks...

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0124/p04s01-woam.html

Those two documents are rather about a year or perhaps even two years old. Still, they pertain to today's everyday back and forth discussions, debates and arguments being held in here by both Dominicans and Haitians commonwealths who are still blaming each other regarding the sour relationship between DR and Haiti instead of placing the blames where they truly belong.

http://www.ijdh.org/pdf/RoundupJanuary17-%20232006.pdf

Hispanolano Just to let you know your links are not working!

Huhhh, funny; because I checked them just now and they are all working perfectly fine. Try copy and pasted the link instead of trying to click on them.

Arcatype, the links of YoSoyHispaniolano are working perfectly. They are not hyperlinks, you need to copy them and then to paste them in your browser.

HISPANOLIANOYOSOY

What is a Haitian

"Deny and accept it or not, a Haitian is an Afro-Latino, much like how you have Afro-American. Why? Well the region is called what... Yes, Latin-America. The Island is called what... Oh yeah, Hispanola which before anything else it was called Ayiti, Quisqueya or Bohio (Boyo). It is funny how an Island in whole in the very same region with the same general name can be so divided to absurdly have one side being called or consider themselves to be one thing and the other is being denied with so much bias that same right because of racial background, created differences and historical resentments. As though Christopher Columbus had discovered them both separately on different separate occasion of some kind. Yet, it is said as a fact many times and once again that Haitians are Afro=Latinos mostly because Afro is due to the African ancestry and Latino given"

Haiti is for all practical purposes an extention of AFRICA in the Western Hemisphere. Haitians are not Afro-Latino as you would like it to be... If that were the case then North American (US & Canada) would also be part of Latin America because they too were colonies of Western European countries who were at one point part of the Roman Empire... So just as Neither Canada or the US are part of Latin America... Neither is Haiti or the French, Dutch and English speaking island of the Caribbean

The only thing that connects Haiti to the west is the fact that you guys were slaves to the french (That was 200 years ago) and have a language (not entirely) connection. Racially Haiti is an extention of AFRICA. The small white and mulato elite that rules Haiti isn't enough to connect haiti with the rest of Latin America, If anything these small elite has more connections and business dealings with France than Latin America.

I am haitian-american or Haitiana-americana. I accept the fact that most of my heritage like that of most other haitians is made up of african ancestry for the most part. And I believe that most dominicanos have african ancestry as one of the smallest parts of their biological/genetic lineage. I being honest with myself. I don't think it should even be debated. For some dominicans the percentage is so small it seems funny to even acknowledge it. For instance my grandfather's grandmother was 100% European white french. I don't walk around spotilighting that because I know the percentage of this is so small its riduculous to even mention. And then I have to deal with people saying "oh she's only saying that because she wants to seem more white or european" uuhh- how bout' no! But Haiti is not completely an extension of AFRICA, (they do have French ties culturally and biologically whether mulatto or not) as well as Jamaica (British) or any other predominately black carribean island. <--Carlos Franco.

Dominicans are beautiful because of their range in ethnicity and cultural influence. Haitians are beautiful because of their african ancestry. As far as I feel I love the DR I love the culture and the people.

I went to the DR in January. There was one Dominican man that said even thougth I was not Dominican our skin tones were similar and because of this he deemed me attractive. Well I took that as a compliment but then I got to thinking if perhaps I was a few shades lighter or darker what would he think. I've heard people talk about how the haitianos or moreno dominicans take on more of a subservient role in some parts of the dominican society. But this is not the only place in the world that has followed this pattern. But I wasn't phased because I know this race/shade thing transcends from Asia to to the U.S. to Africa. I'm not justifying this especially when a man has higher qualifications and capabilities but is forced to do the dirty work because of a shade of skin, but its a timed tradition throughout the world, throughout different ethnicities.

I also like to go to the DR to show and even remind some Dominicanos that haitians don't just amount to cutting down cane in plantations. They can do great things as professionals in business, medicine and education. If Haiti had some stability Haitians abroad could do something to help the people and govt' overall. But it isn't safe and as much as haitians abroad love their country as the saying goes "you have to help yourself to help others."

And here's another thing I hear people say that the DR should help the Haitians more. COME ON MAN, they're lucky the DR let them in to take on pruning their cane plantations. Some of them are lucky and grateful for this cause they know good and well they wouldn't be able to get half-a-dime back home (UNFORTUNATLY!). People say that's the lowest of lows for haitians in the DR but they don't realize that haitians are in the lowest of lows more so IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY! And they can send some money to their families next door.

The post topic says "Dominican and Haitians, What is the problem?" The problem is that people need to accept who they truly are and love themselves. I love mis Dominicanos and Haitianos.
God bless Domincanos and Haitianos and I pray that they live in harmony together as well as individually. Dios le bendiga.

I just had to dissect your post a little so sorry!

And I believe that most dominicanos have african ancestry as one of the smallest parts of their biological/genetic lineage. FALSE

For some dominicans the percentage is so small it seems funny to even acknowledge it. PROBABLY TRUE

I've heard people talk about how the haitianos or moreno dominicans take on more of a subservient role in some parts of the dominican society. ASSUMED TO BE TRUE

But this is not the only place in the world that has followed this pattern. VERY TRUE

Dominicans are beautiful TRUE
Haitians are beautiful TRUE

they're lucky the DR let them in (Haitians) to take on pruning their cane plantations PROBABLY TRUE

I love mis Dominicanos and Haitianos. SAME HERE

God bless Domincanos and Haitianos and I pray that they live in harmony together as well as individually KEEP PRAYING

Nice post Talia!!!

"I went to the DR in January. There was one Dominican man that said even thougth I was not Dominican our skin tones were similar and because of this he deemed me attractive. Well I took that as a compliment but then I got to thinking if perhaps I was a few shades lighter or darker what would he think."

Talia, if you were a couple of shades lighter, he would have kissed your ass and even convince himself by assuming you were not or could not have been Haitian and if you had money that would have been his focal bonus. Simple as in if you are attractive he would even try to convince youand himself that you are not Haitian.

If you were a couple of shade darker he would have once again directly assume with all benefit of the doubts that chances are you are Haitian and would have an internal battle within himself if you had money which would have been again his focal bonus. And if you are attractive he would still even try to convince himself that you are not Haitian.

I appreciate the positive feedback from my last post here. I just wanted people to understand that I am not naive and I hope people try to understand that its important to try to keep a positive outlook no
matter how ugly things get to be right now and Quisqueyanoyosoy I know what you mean but I don't need a dominican man or any person determining my worth and beauty at all let alone by the tones of my piel guapa. Again let's love ourselves and love our different hues.

Maybe someone can answer this (let's see what they will say)

Wikipedia says Trujillo was 1/4 or 1/3 haitiano. Is that true. And were the "Perejil" massacres true? It sounds sensationalized.