| #191 - Posted 18 June 2008, 1:27 PM | |
Location: Canada, home safe Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 2673 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: ![]() This Dominican man has had genetic test that revealved Native Amerindian ancestry. This does not negate any other ancestry, it's just in answer to posts regarding the 'romanticizing' the supposed myth of Taino heritage. Is this your picture you look pretty mess up to me(just kidding). You have an interesting look, a native nose, "canela skin", not sure about your hair, you strike me as being Ethiopian. Please correct me if I m wrong a dark skin person in DR can still be a mulatto depending his or her facial feature and the hair, is this correct. ? No, this is not my picture. This is the picture of Jorge Estevez, a Dominican researcher of Taino roots & culture in DR: ![]() Jorge Estevez from Laguna Salada, Cibao, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC http://www.centrelink.org/TestimonyC.html This man looks nothing like an Ethiopian and I think most posters with even a lilmited understanding of physical Anthropology would agree. This man would be viewed as exhibiting strong Native Amerindian features by the average person,I have no idea what you're looking at. Your post gives me the impression that you are trying to be disingenuous... Actually I am not , I have to claim ignorance, but thank you for the information, you are actualy right, by the way I know have seen ethiopian with such a look, are you aware they are mixed as well ? Edited on 6/18/2008 1:31 PM by antonioj. We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope. |
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| #192 - Posted 18 June 2008, 2:10 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 337 Posts: 596 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? ANTONIOJ, SAID Sorry you are an idiot, besides who care about you being a " wannabe" racist, I think you are simply ignorant. ARCATYPE:No Antonioj i think you are ignorant, everything for you is a racial issue. Its all haitian apologetics i understand is your line of defense, the fact that Annakarina posted her statement in another language that most people dont understand makes her also an ignorant person plain and simple. Arcatype |
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| #193 - Posted 18 June 2008, 2:35 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1055 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: ![]() This Dominican man has had genetic test that revealved Native Amerindian ancestry. This does not negate any other ancestry, it's just in answer to posts regarding the 'romanticizing' the supposed myth of Taino heritage. Is this your picture you look pretty mess up to me(just kidding). You have an interesting look, a native nose, "canela skin", not sure about your hair, you strike me as being Ethiopian. Please correct me if I m wrong a dark skin person in DR can still be a mulatto depending his or her facial feature and the hair, is this correct. ? No, this is not my picture. This is the picture of Jorge Estevez, a Dominican researcher of Taino roots & culture in DR: ![]() Jorge Estevez from Laguna Salada, Cibao, DOMINICAN REPUBLIC http://www.centrelink.org/TestimonyC.html This man looks nothing like an Ethiopian and I think most posters with even a lilmited understanding of physical Anthropology would agree. This man would be viewed as exhibiting strong Native Amerindian features by the average person,I have no idea what you're looking at. Your post gives me the impression that you are trying to be disingenuous... Actually I am not , I have to claim ignorance, but thank you for the information, you are actualy right, by the way I know have seen ethiopian with such a look, are you aware they are mixed as well ? I am very familiar with the way Ethiopians look (they vary depending on ethnic group/region) but I would never see the similarity between an Amerindian looking person and an Ethiopian. To tell you the truth, due to the admixture, you can find Dominicans that look similar to Ethiopians/Somalians/Eritreans. |
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| #194 - Posted 18 June 2008, 2:41 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: May 2008 Member #: 819 Posts: 82 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: talia previously said: I appreciate the positive feedback from my last post here. I just wanted people to understand that I am not naive and I hope people try to understand that its important to try to keep a positive outlook no matter how ugly things get to be right now and Quisqueyanoyosoy I know what you mean but I don't need a dominican man or any person determining my worth and beauty at all let alone by the tones of my piel guapa. Again let's love ourselves and love our different hues. Maybe someone can answer this (let's see what they will say) Wikipedia says Trujillo was 1/4 or 1/3 haitiano. Is that true. And were the "Perejil" massacres true? It sounds sensationalized. They're both true, talia. In fact, the haitian historian Jean G. Bissainthe claims that one of Trujillo's haitian grandparents, named Jean Chevalier, took part in the plot to assassinate Dessalines on the year 1806, so it's obvious that, were that claim to be properly verified, haitians would have not one but two reasons for hating Trujillo. I agree with you that the massacres have been sensationalized, and there hasn't been a serious attempt from both sides to properly discuss the tragedy or possible reparations, although these last ones would be hard to get, specially since: a) the haitians that were killed were not properly identified, so it would be hard to actually locate their families for compensation (heck, not even the exact number of casualties has been properly ascertained) and b) the dominican gov. can (and probably will) untangle itself of any monetary commitment, by simply saying that it had already paid the haitian gov. reparations for the massacre (which amounted to US$750,000, at the exchange rate of 1937). So Trujillo was in all sense of humor and seriousness a direct reflection of Hitler. Since Hitler himself was part Jew, would you not say Lautaro (lol)? Funny huh, how those who always seem to have hated certain races have in fact been part of the very same race they hate which has proven it to be a sense of inferiority in themselves as the part they wish they never were. Much like if I was to one day launch a hatred Campaign against Dominicans when I am part Dominican. Or If I was to one day launch a hatred Campaign against Haitians when I am part Haitian... correct? So why have no Dominicans picked up on that and use this to promote more peace and more people of color self love instead of fueling and feed hatred of old inherited past resentments and not a better path to reconciliation to set aside and to rest or even ceased this constant racism? Wilgeens Rosenberg "Ti Domimiken-Ayisyen-Jwif La" NègMawon BeReady2Ride@yahoo.com |
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| #195 - Posted 18 June 2008, 6:09 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 313 Posts: 30 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? arcatype, please, it was french and my comment wasn't adressed to u, rather to muchacho who seems to speak and understand french. |
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| #196 - Posted 18 June 2008, 8:45 PM | |
Location: Canada, home safe Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 2673 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: arcatype previously said: ANTONIOJ, SAID Sorry you are an idiot, besides who care about you being a " wannabe" racist, I think you are simply ignorant. ARCATYPE:No Antonioj i think you are ignorant, everything for you is a racial issue. Its all haitian apologetics i understand is your line of defense, the fact that Annakarina posted her statement in another language that most people dont understand makes her also an ignorant person plain and simple. "No Antonioj i think you are ignorant, everything for you is a racial issue" Reverse psychology at his best, unlike you, I have no hung up about race, this forum can attest to that. The questions I was asking Mr USAdr were legitimate, and again you are confusing ethnology with racial issue. The word "confusion" is an interesting one, since it seems to apply consistenly on all your postings. Edited on 6/18/2008 8:47 PM by antonioj. We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope. |
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| #197 - Posted 18 June 2008, 9:13 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2008 Member #: 337 Posts: 596 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? ANTONIJ, SAID Reverse psychology at his best, unlike you, I have no hung up about race, this forum can attest to that. The questions I was asking Mr USAdr were legitimate, and again you are confusing ethnology with racial issue. The word "confusion" is an interesting one, since it seems to apply consistenly on all your postings. ARCATYPE: AntonioJ you know what they say "cant take the heat then get out of the kitchen" im not confused you just cant handle the truth. Arcatype |
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| #198 - Posted 19 June 2008, 10:33 AM | |
Location: Canada, home safe Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 2673 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: MrDom previously said: I can see Hispanoyosoy that you don’t feel proud to be a Haitian… we Dominicans feel proud to be DOMINICANOS, that’s why we did not accept to be a colony of Spain nor a Haitian, France neither a country control by USA (1916-1925, intervencion del 1965). So we have fought many times to maintain our identity, nationality, our DOMINICANIDAD… Since I read your first comment I decided not to comment because I noticed that you are not looking for a solution just want to impose an idea that we Dominicans will never accept. So focus yourself in finding a solution that would no be a weight for Dominicans… When you find it let me know I will help you to save your country because I have two friends from Haiti and one of them is like my brother. Should you not mention as well your attempt to revert back to spain, and your failed annexation to the united states .... let me know how does that make you feel. Let's be honest,and stop cherry picking. Quote: Let's be honest,and stop cherry picking You should apply this statement to yourself, yes let's be honest: Attempt to revert back to Spain was in direct response to the multiple invasions (that the much less numerous Dominicans defeated time after time) and threat of invasion from the WESTERN side...this move was not the people's choice or unanimous but seen as a purely practical by the victorious General Santana. Let's be honest and stop cherry picking what a few Military & Political leaders wanted for whatever practical (as they saw it) reasons and what the Dominican people wanted. You forgot to mention how we fought off the Spaniards and inspired and helped the Cuban independence movement. I am always amazed at the sheer creativity on historical revisionism regarding Haiti's aggresions (aka 'attmepts to unify'' lol)toward DR...some Haitian posters should start writing for Hollywood. One question: How many times did DR invade Haiti? Take your time. I was merely pointing that you have avoided to mention these undeniable facts that took place in history, how proud you are indeed; there should be no shame noticing them either. You went in a rant; frankly I could not care less about your fallible opinion…. the gist of my argument remain the facts that you did not quote them and NOT the reason why… . Instead of gracefully acknowledging these facts you have chosen to resort to rhetoric. Let me add your attempt to obfuscate my point, using your mediocre off subject chosen argument is not persuasive, but laughable. We must accept finite disappointment, but never lose infinite hope. |
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| #199 - Posted 19 June 2008, 11:39 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1055 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: MrDom previously said: I can see Hispanoyosoy that you don’t feel proud to be a Haitian… we Dominicans feel proud to be DOMINICANOS, that’s why we did not accept to be a colony of Spain nor a Haitian, France neither a country control by USA (1916-1925, intervencion del 1965). So we have fought many times to maintain our identity, nationality, our DOMINICANIDAD… Since I read your first comment I decided not to comment because I noticed that you are not looking for a solution just want to impose an idea that we Dominicans will never accept. So focus yourself in finding a solution that would no be a weight for Dominicans… When you find it let me know I will help you to save your country because I have two friends from Haiti and one of them is like my brother. Should you not mention as well your attempt to revert back to spain, and your failed annexation to the united states .... let me know how does that make you feel. Let's be honest,and stop cherry picking. Quote: Let's be honest,and stop cherry picking You should apply this statement to yourself, yes let's be honest: Attempt to revert back to Spain was in direct response to the multiple invasions (that the much less numerous Dominicans defeated time after time) and threat of invasion from the WESTERN side...this move was not the people's choice or unanimous but seen as a purely practical by the victorious General Santana. Let's be honest and stop cherry picking what a few Military & Political leaders wanted for whatever practical (as they saw it) reasons and what the Dominican people wanted. You forgot to mention how we fought off the Spaniards and inspired and helped the Cuban independence movement. I am always amazed at the sheer creativity on historical revisionism regarding Haiti's aggresions (aka 'attmepts to unify'' lol)toward DR...some Haitian posters should start writing for Hollywood. One question: How many times did DR invade Haiti? Take your time. I was merely pointing that you have avoided to mention these undeniable facts that took place in history, how proud you are indeed; there should be no shame noticing them either. You went in a rant; frankly I could not care less about your fallible opinion…. the gist of my argument remain the facts that you did not quote them and NOT the reason why… . Instead of gracefully acknowledging these facts you have chosen to resort to rhetoric. Let me add your attempt to obfuscate my point, using your mediocre off subject chosen argument is not persuasive, but laughable. Wrong. Your posts suggests that you are confusing posters ( I just recently joined) and mix-matching posts. Go back and read the thread progression and my specific posts (I am USADR). There is no 'ranting' in my post...they are very clear basic facts free of emotion. And you did not answer the question: One more time...How many times did DR invade Haiti? |
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| #200 - Posted 19 June 2008, 12:00 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Montellano Join date: June 2008 Member #: 944 Posts: 191 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: MrDom previously said: I can see Hispanoyosoy that you don’t feel proud to be a Haitian… we Dominicans feel proud to be DOMINICANOS, that’s why we did not accept to be a colony of Spain nor a Haitian, France neither a country control by USA (1916-1925, intervencion del 1965). So we have fought many times to maintain our identity, nationality, our DOMINICANIDAD… Since I read your first comment I decided not to comment because I noticed that you are not looking for a solution just want to impose an idea that we Dominicans will never accept. So focus yourself in finding a solution that would no be a weight for Dominicans… When you find it let me know I will help you to save your country because I have two friends from Haiti and one of them is like my brother. Should you not mention as well your attempt to revert back to spain, and your failed annexation to the united states .... let me know how does that make you feel. Let's be honest,and stop cherry picking. Quote: Let's be honest,and stop cherry picking You should apply this statement to yourself, yes let's be honest: Attempt to revert back to Spain was in direct response to the multiple invasions (that the much less numerous Dominicans defeated time after time) and threat of invasion from the WESTERN side...this move was not the people's choice or unanimous but seen as a purely practical by the victorious General Santana. Let's be honest and stop cherry picking what a few Military & Political leaders wanted for whatever practical (as they saw it) reasons and what the Dominican people wanted. You forgot to mention how we fought off the Spaniards and inspired and helped the Cuban independence movement. I am always amazed at the sheer creativity on historical revisionism regarding Haiti's aggresions (aka 'attmepts to unify'' lol)toward DR...some Haitian posters should start writing for Hollywood. One question: How many times did DR invade Haiti? Take your time. I was merely pointing that you have avoided to mention these undeniable facts that took place in history, how proud you are indeed; there should be no shame noticing them either. You went in a rant; frankly I could not care less about your fallible opinion…. the gist of my argument remain the facts that you did not quote them and NOT the reason why… . Instead of gracefully acknowledging these facts you have chosen to resort to rhetoric. Let me add your attempt to obfuscate my point, using your mediocre off subject chosen argument is not persuasive, but laughable. Wrong. Your posts suggests that you are confusing posters ( I just recently joined) and mix-matching posts. Go back and read the thread progression and my specific posts (I am USADR). There is no 'ranting' in my post...they are very clear basic facts free of emotion. And you did not answer the question: One more time...How many times did DR invade Haiti? Now given what historical fact indicates that several times Dr troops were amassed by the border in attempt to possible invasions why Duvalier (The Father) had to seek US help. Although even that was due to Duvalier's act that DR at that time deemed to have been an insult given that Duvalier I think did something to some Dominican groups that were residing in Haiti at that time or some kind, but you can research it and I will go try to get you a link that you will not say is Haitian fabricated. To note lastly that DR did not get its Independence from Haiti. Also a historical fact, although DR decided and went on speculation of the romanticism that such independence was taken from Haiti.. No, DR got its independence from Spain to whom they annexed the Country to. Always remember that. Nevertheless, as a Dominican-Haitian I can agree with you on that, true technically DR never indeed or in fact physically invaded Haiti, but not to justify or take Haiti's side... Trujillo did march up and gained territories on the neighboring border of Haiti where he changed most of the names of towns that were in French in Spanish names which was considered an invasion to Haiti. Call Haiti's invasion of DR false pretexts or not if you may, but in all record of history it is said and recorded that Haiti's intent or given excuses, if you will, was that they did not want France or any other Former European conquerors to come back and re-colonize the Island and at that time or in a sense (so to speak) DR was not yet DR it was still considered Saint Domingue and the Spaniards had been left the Island on to other explorations, but I am sure you have your own scenarios and adamant rebuttals to debate that and this is what it's all about as long as we are debating those issues to me it is a form of communication ad a possible path toward reconciliation to put to rest all these inherited resentments nonsenses... Constant bolstering at the border of both Nations went back and forth to say that they both were in constant mind frame that at any given moment the other could invade and over time this develops this deep rooted hatred and resentments that we are dealing with today as though the previous or past tensions were not greatly divisive already. Thus what we need to ask ourselves is as so and such: "How much of the past do we (As the youths of today from both Nations) choose to keep with us and how much are we willing to put aside to move forward?" In case any of you both Haitians & Dominicans have not realized, all those supposedly leaders in the past are dead and we are dying with their conflicting beliefs as new generations as well when we should try to live with new founding hope toward a future for the Island. How about from now on both side lay on the table the changes they would like to see and see if they can be accommodated on both side huh? Edited on 6/19/2008 12:15 PM by Consuello. |
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