| #21 - Posted 21 April 2008, 1:28 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 226 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Point 6: Quote: I want to say that Trujillo was the one who institutionalised the antihaitianismo which trancsended into dominican folklore. Anyone who has studied Dominican history knows Trujillo despised Haitians. But his hatred of Haitians was not constructed...it was inherited. Anti-Haitian sentiment goes way back. Think...how far back would you think it goes...want to hazzard a guess? I think the seeds of this were planted in 1801. And don't you if the Haitian government didn't keep nourishing it for several generations until it took root and bore poisonous fruit. |
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| #22 - Posted 21 April 2008, 1:37 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 226 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: And to the dominicans abroad take a look at your position. Why aren't you in the DR? Largely because since the mid 1960s the U.S. has granted us preferential treament on immigrant visas. That explains the large numbers of Dominicans and Cubans in the U.S. and the explosive increase in Dominincan immigrants to the U.S. since 1965 while other groups have not been allowed to immigrate in the same percentages. Simply put...this country does give preferential treatment in immigration to it's client and dependent states. The Dominican Republic is a dependent state of the U.S. That needs no explanation. |
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| #23 - Posted 21 April 2008, 1:37 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4359 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: muchacho previously said: Point 6: Quote: I want to say that Trujillo was the one who institutionalised the antihaitianismo which trancsended into dominican folklore. Anyone who has studied Dominican history knows Trujillo despised Haitians. But his hatred of Haitians was not constructed...it was inherited. Anti-Haitian sentiment goes way back. Think...how far back would you think it goes...want to hazzard a guess? I think the seeds of this were planted in 1801. And don't you if the Haitian government didn't keep nourishing it for several generations until it took root and bore poisonous fruit. Well, muchacho, he WOULD come to institutinalize it, if not, suppose that the former dominican of haitian descent Ulysses Heureaux were to be born again today, then ask yourself this question: Would Ulysses Heureaux have had the same chances of reaching the dominican presidency today that he had back on his era? Edited on 4/21/2008 1:44 PM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #24 - Posted 21 April 2008, 1:43 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 226 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: there wasn't a race war or a strong discrimination imbedded based on colour like Haiti and Cuba where it was cut and dry. But you are wrong. There WAS a race war. It was declared by the Haitian forces when they went in to "liberate" the colony of Santo Domingo. That war was declared against the WHITES. See...that article that has been linked on here...it very clearly talks about that. I do hope some of you get that translated. |
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| #25 - Posted 21 April 2008, 1:45 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 226 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: Well, muchacho, he WOULD come to institutinalize it, if not, ask yourself this question: Would Ulysses Heureaux have had the same chances of reaching the dominican presidency today that he had back on his era? If you replacate the exact same circumstances...yes he would. Or have we forgotten Dr. Francisco Pena Gomez already? |
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| #26 - Posted 21 April 2008, 1:46 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 3638 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? "Would Ulysses Heureaux have had the same chances of reaching the dominican presidency today that he had back on his era?" A better question would be: Would Heureaux even be considered Dominican if he had been born today? Or Luperon, for that matter. That Dominicans would give there vote to a black Dominican is evident already. Peña Gomez had a substantial following and in all probability would've become president had he lived a little longer. 'The past is never dead. In fact, it's not even past.' - William Faulkner |
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| #27 - Posted 21 April 2008, 1:48 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4359 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? What circumstances? the fact that it was well known that he was of haitian ancestry? Trust me, that fact alone would have barred him from the presidency, and not even Luperon's influence would have been enough to save his chances, muchacho. Edited on 4/21/2008 1:49 PM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #28 - Posted 21 April 2008, 1:51 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4359 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "Would Ulysses Heureaux have had the same chances of reaching the dominican presidency today that he had back on his era?" A better question would be: Would Heureaux even be considered Dominican if he had been born today? Or Luperon, for that matter. That Dominicans would give there vote to a black Dominican is evident already. Peña Gomez had a substantial following and in all probability would've become president had he lived a little longer. Couldn't have said it better myself. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #29 - Posted 21 April 2008, 1:53 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4359 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Heck, I think that even Antonio Duvergé, the celebrated Centinela de la Frontera, would have suffered because of his haitian ancestry. He wouldn't have been even allowed to enter the armed forces just for that. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #30 - Posted 21 April 2008, 1:53 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 3638 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? La Guerra de La Restauracion can be loosely interpreted as a race war. It was referred to as "la Guerra Contra Los Blancos" by some of the men who fought it (Soto Jimenez). One of the reasons for anti-spanish sentiment at the time was the denigrating manor in which Spaniards would act toward the natives they came to re-colonize as a result of race (Bosch). 'The past is never dead. In fact, it's not even past.' - William Faulkner |
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