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#331 - Posted 30 June 2008, 3:01 PM
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"I'm not trying to offend anyone and I'm sorry if I did to you or any other person in the forum or this topic."

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#332 - Posted 30 June 2008, 3:02 PM
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As usual anything. ... or subject end up with a discussion about race. There is that obsession with race. Race is equivalent to what voodoo is to Haitian…… never stop.




Yes, I have always noted this, that's why I have previously stated:
"Thanks for proving once again how color/race obsessed are many Haitian posters, constantly bringing this up and getting upset over the reply they receive. "

Here's the trend/cycle:

a) Diverse topics being discussed (non-race related)
b) Random Haitian poster attacks DR's 'color/race/self-identity" with racialist views (aka lies)
c) DR's respond
d) Another Haitian poster will then ask the DR's "why is it always about race'? When he should be asking this of the originating source (Haitian poster).

Cycle repeats after a while. Just wait.

Agreed

Don't agree to something you're not familiar with on a healthy level, that derogatory statement about haitians and their practices was not right, "never stop" -I don't appreciate that at all. I responded to the racial statement because it is an issue no matter what color you are. Any how you're probably talking about Hispanlanosoyyo (whom has said he is part haitian) who came up with this topic that has already reached more than 30 pages.

I know your post is in regards to many people making comments about race, but in regards to my comments I was responding to conversations on this topic that were between both Haitians and Dominicans. And the title of the topic is what Haitains and Dominicans what is the problem?
The problem is Haitians need to cross the border back to Haiti and redevelop themselves into a people to be respected and taken seriously as a Haitian I can believe in this. See I didn't drop the race-card in that last sentence. And that response is my response to the point of the topic's title.
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#333 - Posted 30 June 2008, 3:03 PM
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"I'm not trying to offend anyone and I'm sorry if I did to you or any other person in the forum or this topic."

Apology accepted.




Gracias, but I hope you also understand how I feel. thanx cibaeño75
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#334 - Posted 30 June 2008, 3:30 PM
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RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem?
There are so many aliases in that forum that is just crazy and shameful. ( Greenwave = onde vert = Pepe32 =) , (consuello = hispanolosoy) ect... Can we perhaps can get back to the current topic.

For every Arctype in the east there will be a Talia in the west (dialogue des sourds).
#335 - Posted 30 June 2008, 3:39 PM
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There are so many aliases in that forum that is just crazy and shameful. ( Greenwave = onde vert = Pepe32 =) , (consuello = hispanolosoy) ect... Can we perhaps can get back to the current topic.

For every Arctype in the east there will be a Talia in the west (dialogue des sourds).

I don't understand.
Edited on 6/30/2008 3:42 PM by talia.
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#336 - Posted 30 June 2008, 3:41 PM
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There are so many aliases in that forum that is just crazy and shameful. ( Greenwave = onde vert = Pepe32 =) , (consuello = hispanolosoy) ect... Can we perhaps can get back to the current topic.

For every Arctype in the east there will be a Talia in the west (dialogue des sourds).

explain this again, huh? I hope you're eluding to the fact that I'm looking for peace and meaningful discussion sir.
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#337 - Posted 30 June 2008, 3:48 PM
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"I'm not trying to offend anyone and I'm sorry if I did to you or any other person in the forum or this topic."

Apology accepted.




Gracias, but I hope you also understand how I feel. thanx cibaeño75


Hey Talia you will find hardcore Dominicans that held extreme view toward Haitians, however you have to move beyond that, but lashing out in this manner can be offensive to some of the more liberal one. (la meprise vaut mieux que la response) sometimes it's best to ignore a provocateur. I have Dominicans among my best friends, and they are not at all like Arctype.

I do not agree with Arctype on alot of the issues however he's entitled to his opinion although I fundamentally believe that he’s wrong, I personally do not hold any grudge against him.
#338 - Posted 30 June 2008, 3:58 PM
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"I'm not trying to offend anyone and I'm sorry if I did to you or any other person in the forum or this topic."

Apology accepted.




Gracias, but I hope you also understand how I feel. thanx cibaeño75


Hey Talia you will find hardcore Dominicans that held extreme view toward Haitians, however you have to move beyond that, but lashing out in this manner can be offensive to some of the more liberal one. (la meprise vaut mieux que la response) sometimes it's best to ignore a provocateur. I have Dominicans among my best friends, and they are not at all like Arctype.

I do not agree with Arctype on alot of the issues however he's entitled to his opinion although I fundamentally believe that he’s wrong, I personally do not hold any grudge against him.


I understand, you should read what I told him in response to some things he said that were not so great. I hold no grudge against him like you antonioj. I know not everyone will agree (this is all part of healthy forum and debate,) but I want dominicans in this forum to know that I'm on their side on a lot of important political issues with the Haitians particularly on the issue of the borders. Perhaps they won't accept my agreement because I am Haitian, but what can I say- I felt this way before any Dominican told me about how they felt about the situatiion and their conflict, so it is my authentic opinion and I'm not just joining a band wagon.

Read what I said to him:
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TALIA, SAID

Hey, Uh, Arc. I don't know what you're trying to prove by posting some amateur video by someone who is neither Dominican or Haitian saying that Haiti is not the DR. Obviously it isn't. If you want to prove the OBVIOUS, about how the two separate countries are not one (duh!), you don't have to post some tourists "groundbreaking revelation" about the situation.

ARCATYPE: First off the person on the video is a dominican woman she's not a tourist and second everything that you said is irrelavent. And everything she said is true, your ignorance is what makes your country the garbage bin of the caribbean.


WOW ARCATYPE, take a breather. I'm sorry didn't realize she was Dominican, but you have to see that I am not negating anything she said. All she said was right and yes, OBVIOUS. You're getting mad at me 4 not sayin' she's Dominican okay, okay, she's Dominican (not that I even know her, but whatever) ne-wayz you can chill. I was just saying that for you to post this in the forum was a bit redundant. I've been saying Haiti is not the DR all along. But since I am an Haitiana I see why you can't get passed my race and my culture, and see me as a human being first.- Who actually agrees with the fact that Haitians shouldn't be trying take advantage of the DR and ignoring border laws and regulations from the DR.

BUT SINCE YOU HATE ME SOO MUCH YOU COULDN'T EVEN SEE THAT ON A FEW LEVELS, I ACTUALLY AGREED WITH YOU.

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TALIA, SAIDAnd as crazy and true as all of that is, for some reason I still love the country- DR.(part of the reason why I like to read Dominican Today). Yeah I said it, I love it. yeah, the one where my people are killing themselves to get a piece of bread. BUT, yes, yes, yes, there is a "BUT", they're killing themselves for the same thing in their own country.
ARCATYPE: Ofcourse you love my country, because your country dont offer anything but starvation and misery. 2 million haitians and all they do is complain complain. Go back home where you belong and stop bitchin.


Thanks for your advise ARCATYPE , but im not b*****in' like you say, mi cariño. I just want change and I want others to see that a Haitian feels Leonel should close all the borders and put on a stronger affront so that the Haitians are forced to look into themselves and change for the better, not just run to the other side. I wish my people were stronger and they could raise and stand up in their own country. Not seek refuge in another country.

GOD BLESS YOU IN ALL THAT YOU SAY AND DO, ARCATYPE! I'm not hating on anyone, not even you. Even if maybe, perhaps you'd like to see the Haitains in the DR burned off in some concentration camp. I still have respect for you brother, Because if I want peace in my country, I have to have peace with others and myself, first. Dios le Bendiga ARCATYPE. ARCATYPE, TO ME, FIRST YOU ARE A HUMAN BEING, THAN YOU ARE A NATIONALITY. ~much love and respect. chau mi hermano!


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Edited on 6/30/2008 4:02 PM by talia.
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#339 - Posted 30 June 2008, 8:09 PM
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*sigh* I'm back. I've been observing but I decided it was best to digress from this unnecessary and repetitive war of words. The reason every article and thread somehow turns into a conflict regarding race and identity is because of provocateurs such as arcatype, rom1804, consuello, hispanolo, mnemonic, rubi and the likes. I do acknowledge the fact that this is a Dominican site and I believe that some Haitians on here are abusing their position of internet freedom to bash the D.R unfairly. However the Dominican radicals on here have always been demeaning Haiti and the two sides of radicals are therefore bound to clash heads. I don't understand the obsession with putting each others' countries down. If you hate Haiti then ignore Haitians and the articles that deal with it. If you hate the D.R then I would be flustered as to why one is even on this site. I came initially to learn about the country and from the posters on the site but my stay on this site has been relegated to daily battles with ignorant idiots that know nothing of what they say. This is just sad that not one article is spared from the likes of these certain provocateurs.
#340 - Posted 30 June 2008, 8:21 PM
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*sigh* I'm back. I've been observing but I decided it was best to digress from this unnecessary and repetitive war of words. The reason every article and thread somehow turns into a conflict regarding race and identity is because of provocateurs such as arcatype, rom1804, consuello, hispanolo, mnemonic, rubi and the likes. I do acknowledge the fact that this is a Dominican site and I believe that some Haitians on here are abusing their position of internet freedom to bash the D.R unfairly. However the Dominican radicals on here have always been demeaning Haiti and the two sides of radicals are therefore bound to clash heads. I don't understand the obsession with putting each others' countries down. If you hate Haiti then ignore Haitians and the articles that deal with it. If you hate the D.R then I would be flustered as to why one is even on this site. I came initially to learn about the country and from the posters on the site but my stay on this site has been relegated to daily battles with ignorant idiots that know nothing of what they say. This is just sad that not one article is spared from the likes of these certain provocateurs.


Like the saying goes, "Can't we all just get along?"
Dios le bendiga!
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