"Be a sister , stop being obsequous ."

Mneomonic, you and others like you are pathetic. Talia comes on here with a respectful and conciliatory tone and automatically you refer to her as obseqious. Not very different from the Dominicans on here that call me "haitian" every time I make a post defending the rights of Dominicans born of undocumented haitian parents. Antonio in error compared Talia to certain Dominican types with strong reactionary views as far as the haitians are concerned but is you that is cut from the same cloth as the before mentioned individuals. You did not come on here to seek dialogue. You came on here in an attempt to make us accept your view of us, That's preposterous. Worry about yourself and let us worry about ourselves. Viva y deja vivir. And the Dominican Republic does not need you or others like you. If you believe that on any level then I'll have to conclude that you might be slightly deranged.

Where the hell is jabao?

As cibaeño told you, if you can't accept us with all our virtues and flaws (as talia, jabao, antonioj, shin and many other have done), then GET LOST. Our country already have enough problems on our plate as things are standing. You're just as annoying as the white supremacists that you're fighting over here.

Thanks Cibaeño75. I'm glad someone understands me. Mnemonic doesn't realize that I just want to be diplomatic and not come off all tyrannical. (I'm not perfect and sometimes get carred away or insensitive, but I ring myself back and remember my perspective point). I want others to see that some Haitians actually feel it is important to cooperate and that doesn't mean you are degrading yourself or being "obsequious", that means you are civil and you want peace. But, (and this is important) you have to work to find peace in yourself and others- then you may be able to see my viewpoint. People want to stand up and make noise but success also involves listening and observing. I've learned that.

If some of you think I come off as some weird flower hippie chick because of my signature -"I'm not a fighter, but I'll fight for what I love" and that I'm naive and unrealistic, you're wrong. I know the pain and ugliness and I don't draw a blind eye over it. I just don't want to fight, I want to work with people and maybe that involves some humility and more compassion (that's hard for most people) but I'm tired of feeling distressed. I find empowerment in working with others and considering all sides of a story. I think that if more people knew their worth, and potential, they could get over most of their (no one really gets over all fo them) insecurities and make decisions in the right direction- (my haitianos could probably think about this). Embrace what is good about yourself and work together to build up a better life. Its on you mis hatiianos, not the DR, not the US, not even the UN, YOU. If people help you don't go and misuse or burn up any goods sent to you (in food, medicine and clothing) because you
can't take the "charity" and you want to be left alone. When I read the article about DR government asking for help in the name of Haiti and Haitian lawmakers? saying that they don't appreciate this- I can't understand what they want. I say "well, what do you expect? You're coming into their country, you're begging for help everyday, what do you expect. And then I also realize what if the DR govt. feels that the Haitian poor will outnumber some of their people that are already sturggling. uhh, I think we have a problem. With all that, I say how could the DR government not ask for help in the name of Haiti. I know its hard, but people should try hard not to bring others down with them.

TALIA, SAID

If some of you think I come off as some weird flower hippie chick because of my signature -"I'm not a fighter, but I'll fight for what I love" and that I'm naive and unrealistic, you're wrong. I know the pain and ugliness and I don't draw a blind eye over it. I just don't want to fight, I want to work with people and maybe that involves some humility and more compassion (that's hard for most people) but I'm tired of feeling distressed. I find empowerment in working with others and considering all sides of a story. I think that if more people knew their worth, and potential, they could get over most of their (no one really gets over all fo them) insecurities and make decisions in the right direction- (my haitianos could probably think about this). Embrace what is good about yourself and work together to build up a better life. Its on you mis hatiianos, not the DR, not the US, not even the UN, YOU. If people help you don't go and misuse or burn up any goods sent to you (in food, medicine and clothing) because you
can't take the "charity" and you want to be left alone. When I read the article about DR government asking for help in the name of Haiti and Haitian lawmakers? saying that they don't appreciate this- I can't understand what they want. I say "well, what do you expect? You're coming into their country, you're begging for help everyday, what do you expect. And then I also realize what if the DR govt. feels that the Haitian poor will outnumber some of their people that are already sturggling. uhh, I think we have a problem. With all that, I say how could the DR government not ask for help in the name of Haiti. I know its hard, but people should try hard not to bring others down with them.


ARCATYPE Save the apologetics for the ignorant Haiti wont change unless people come to a consensus to work for the same objective and that is change. Dont expect anything positive from the Dominican goverment when its being scrutinized by people who feel that emigration to it's neighbor is the sole solution to Haiti's problems. Haitian illegals are not granted citizenship obviously because they are breaking the law, article 11 of the Dominican constitution clearly does not advocate illegal entry into the country, that means that those born from illegals are automaticly granted the same status of being illegal.

Re: DR Immigration & Border Patrol

My wish list:

-Israel, Europe & the USA send the top experts to train DR on how to make a highly effective immigration & border patrol departments and personnel.

-Make the Haiti/DR border one of the most tightly controlled borders in the world (i.e. like Israel & the West Bank & Gaza Strip, N. Korea/S. Korea, etc.)

-Slowly but surely deport illegals in the most professional & humane way possible

-Keep tight tabs on outside & native groups whose interest are not the interest of DR and slowly squeeze them out of existence (this is actually good for Haiti too)

Am I being an extremist? Uncontrolled rampant illegal immigration of very poor people (a la south to south immigration) is very bad for a country in every way imaginable.
It's not illegal immigration of tons of professionals...

USADR, SAID
Re: DR Immigration & Border Patrol

My wish list:

-Israel, Europe & the USA send the top experts to train DR on how to make a highly effective immigration & border patrol departments and personnel.

-Make the Haiti/DR border one of the most tightly controlled borders in the world (i.e. like Israel & the West Bank & Gaza Strip, N. Korea/S. Korea, etc.)

-Slowly but surely deport illegals in the most professional & humane way possible

-Keep tight tabs on outside & native groups whose interest are not the interest of DR and slowly squeeze them out of existence (this is actually good for Haiti too)

Am I being an extremist? Uncontrolled rampant illegal immigration of very poor people (a la south to south immigration) is very bad for a country in every way imaginable.
It's not illegal immigration of tons of professionals...

ARCATYPE: Great post USADR.

Yes very. Although it is a problem, it is not even the gravest facing DR. I took you to be an informed and well tempered poster who was a bit defensive due to the nature of the convo, but this policy recommendation is beyond paranoid.

"Although it is a problem, it is not even the gravest facing DR. "

That's the whole thing manhattanite. That's the purpose that the haitian issue serves and why there isn't a serious curtailing of haitian immigration on behalf of the Dominican government. It diverts attention from what they real problems are and who the real culprits are in Dominican society.

Has DR ever been in this condition historically? I read and hear people complaining about it like never before...and no they are not militant 'anti-Haitians', just regular folks (campesinos, city dwellers, and people in political post like La Junta Central Electoral). There is alot to worry about when a poor third world country with no natural borders and limited resources is being swamped by illegal immigration from the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. DR can't even address their own poor...What does the US do when illegal Haitians reach FL?
Is this not among one of the gravest problems facing DR? Is saying this make me an anti-haitian extremist?
I do not believe these poor Haitians are any type of 'invaders' etc., they just want to survive and eat. But I believe DR's lackadaisical corrupt filled third world mentality approach could use alot of help. And they are hindered at every stept by this, and the fact that they under a constant critique filled spotlight, as well as the aforesaid certain 'groups' who do not have DR's interest in mind.
Oh yeah, and the rest of the hypocritical international community.

Wait...I do believe that political leaders play games with issues, but I personally know that they know they have a serious problem with this. How can not address this problem help divert every other real problem? This problem brings more problems. Let's just start at the most obvious:
-DR depends heavily on tourism
-Bad image affects tourism
-Having an huge illegal immigration problem (with the usual exploitation/abuses by diverse industries, beggars, ethnic conflict between illegals and native poor DR, ) all =bad image.
This is of course besides the very real damage uncontrolled illegal immigration brings on the economny.