USADR previously said:

Re: DR Immigration & Border Patrol

My wish list:

-Israel, Europe & the USA send the top experts to train DR on how to make a highly effective immigration & border patrol departments and personnel.

-Make the Haiti/DR border one of the most tightly controlled borders in the world (i.e. like Israel & the West Bank & Gaza Strip, N. Korea/S. Korea, etc.)

-Slowly but surely deport illegals in the most professional & humane way possible

-Keep tight tabs on outside & native groups whose interest are not the interest of DR and slowly squeeze them out of existence (this is actually good for Haiti too)

Am I being an extremist? Uncontrolled rampant illegal immigration of very poor people (a la south to south immigration) is very bad for a country in every way imaginable.
It's not illegal immigration of tons of professionals...

antonioj previously said:



1.while at it, station a Tank squadron, 2. implement a shoot to kill policy 3. have the military engineers build a wall

Your comment in 2nd paragraph is the most idiotic statement, I have read in the forum. You certainly can not justify comparing these situations to H & DR border unless you want to calm down your own paranoia, we are countries at peace and we trade . All your other statements are right on.

arcatype previously said:

TALIA, SAID

If some of you think I come off as some weird flower hippie chick because of my signature -"I'm not a fighter, but I'll fight for what I love" and that I'm naive and unrealistic, you're wrong. I know the pain and ugliness and I don't draw a blind eye over it. I just don't want to fight, I want to work with people and maybe that involves some humility and more compassion (that's hard for most people) but I'm tired of feeling distressed. I find empowerment in working with others and considering all sides of a story. I think that if more people knew their worth, and potential, they could get over most of their (no one really gets over all fo them) insecurities and make decisions in the right direction- (my haitianos could probably think about this). Embrace what is good about yourself and work together to build up a better life. Its on you mis hatiianos, not the DR, not the US, not even the UN, YOU. If people help you don't go and misuse or burn up any goods sent to you (in food, medicine and clothing) because you
can't take the "charity" and you want to be left alone. When I read the article about DR government asking for help in the name of Haiti and Haitian lawmakers? saying that they don't appreciate this- I can't understand what they want. I say "well, what do you expect? You're coming into their country, you're begging for help everyday, what do you expect. And then I also realize what if the DR govt. feels that the Haitian poor will outnumber some of their people that are already sturggling. uhh, I think we have a problem. With all that, I say how could the DR government not ask for help in the name of Haiti. I know its hard, but people should try hard not to bring others down with them.


ARCATYPE Save the apologetics for the ignorant Haiti wont change unless people come to a consensus to work for the same objective and that is change. Dont expect anything positive from the Dominican goverment when its being scrutinized by people who feel that emigration to it's neighbor is the sole solution to Haiti's problems. Haitian illegals are not granted citizenship obviously because they are breaking the law, article 11 of the Dominican constitution clearly does not advocate illegal entry into the country, that means that those born from illegals are automaticly granted the same status of being illegal.

USADR previously said:



Has DR ever been in this condition historically? I read and hear people complaining about it like never before...and no they are not militant 'anti-Haitians', just regular folks (campesinos, city dwellers, and people in political post like La Junta Central Electoral). There is alot to worry about when a poor third world country with no natural borders and limited resources is being swamped by illegal immigration from the poorest nation in the western hemisphere. DR can't even address their own poor...What does the US do when illegal Haitians reach FL?
Is this not among one of the gravest problems facing DR? Is saying this make me an anti-haitian extremist?
I do not believe these poor Haitians are any type of 'invaders' etc., they just want to survive and eat. But I believe DR's lackadaisical corrupt filled third world mentality approach could use alot of help. And they are hindered at every stept by this, and the fact that they under a constant critique filled spotlight, as well as the aforesaid certain 'groups' who do not have DR's interest in mind.
Oh yeah, and the rest of the hypocritical international community.

cibaeño75 previously said:

OK for the uninitiated I'm going to repeat what I've often said.

THE DOMINICAN STATE IS MORE THAN CAPABLE OF STEMMING ILLEGALS FROM CROSSING THE BORDER. WANT PROOF? IT WAS DONE IN THE 90S DURING THE TURMOIL THAT RESULTED FROM ARISTIDES OUSTER DURING THAT SNAKE BALAGUER'S LAST PRESIDENTIAL TERM, AND IT WAS DONE EFFECTIVELY. IF THE DOMINICAN GOVERNMENT NO LONGER IS MAINTAINING PROPER BORDER CONTROL THEN LOGIC LEADS ME TO CONCLUDE THAT THEIR MUST BE SOME ULTERIOR MOTIVE FOR BEING SO RELAXED WITH THE BORDER.

USADR previously said:

Re: DR Immigration & Border Patrol

My wish list:

-Israel, Europe & the USA send the top experts to train DR on how to make a highly effective immigration & border patrol departments and personnel.

-Make the Haiti/DR border one of the most tightly controlled borders in the world (i.e. like Israel & the West Bank & Gaza Strip, N. Korea/S. Korea, etc.)

-Slowly but surely deport illegals in the most professional & humane way possible

-Keep tight tabs on outside & native groups whose interest are not the interest of DR and slowly squeeze them out of existence (this is actually good for Haiti too)

Am I being an extremist? Uncontrolled rampant illegal immigration of very poor people (a la south to south immigration) is very bad for a country in every way imaginable.
It's not illegal immigration of tons of professionals...

Manhattanite previously said:



USADR here you sound more moderated which is as I said the side you've shown and which I agree with...but take a look at your recommendations above Israeli death commandos, really?? You wished upon DR a border the likes of the Korean one? Of the Israeli situation? Especially in the case of the latter these are violent and tense patches of the planet where no one is the winner. These will bring more negative attention and influence to the border than anything the NGOs have visited upon DR. Remember that as meddlesome as the NGOs are, the entities for whom they are proxies are bigger, badder and mucho mas intruso. Do you want a constant contingent of Western cable newsies agitating against DR exponentially louder than the NGOS do today? This is what paranoia would give us. In a sense, if DR over-militarizes its border it will end up eroding sovereignty in graver ways. But forget the power politics, the idea simply cannot result in anything less than mindless violence. And let's not even begin with the easily deranged notions of mass deportation. Yes, it is a serious issue...but why wish such drastic, extreme, paranoid visions to resolve what isn't even the most threatening situation facing DR?