You may want to write to your local politicians or consider a run for office yourself. Mr Greenwave

"Over 2 million haitians reside and work in the Dominican Republic illegaly"

1.Please provide your reliable source.


"The presence of illegal haitians creates a myriad of problems for the dominican state it strains basic services like healthcare, energy consumption lack of good paying jobs for the poor masses. By creating a culture of competition between a low wage worker from Haiti to the local citizen who should be granted a living wage, these effects will further damage the progress of the dominican economy"

2.Competition is always welcome in a vibrant economy, your point above is narrowed minded, and show lack of basic understating of macro and micro economy.


"Haiti's population remains very high, it's the country with the highest birthrate in Latin America"

3. Granted, however not the highest, please quote your source


"The expulsion of haitians is the key tool to erradicate the many problems that the dominican society faces, also very importantly is to create a barrier or wall to impede illegals from crossing the border."


4.This is a myth, Haitian have been crossing the border to live, and marry in DR since the 1800 as a matter of fact alot of Dominicans today are of Haitians extraction.Something like an amnesty for 2nd generation born and up is more appropriate.


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The threat from Haiti is very real we share the border with the poorest country in the western hemisphere, the policy of the haitian goverment is very simple and is to export it's poverty to the Dominican Republic
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5.For sure you have higher contact with the Haitian governement and it's part of their red book plan, however your twisted logic follow a consistent path and will apply to your held believe that history should be interpeted from the point of view of the spaniards, not from the point of view of the son of slaves and spaniards.


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The expulsion of haitians is the key tool to erradicate the many problems that the dominican society faces, also very importantly is to create a barrier or wall to impede illegals from crossing the border. Good enforcement is also key even with a wall in place.
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6.Only an idiot and ignorant like you Arctype=Pepe32=Greenwave will write such a garbage ..... wall of shame try this in China.. may be you should have build a wall instead of the metro. Please educate yourself, and stop embarrassing yourself and your fellow countryman.

Right on the money consuello, many request on my part to fnd the officials figure have fallen in deaf hear .

In any case Mr Spaniard himself alias Arcatype have no credibility at all.

ANTONIO J, SAID
"Over 2 million haitians reside and work in the Dominican Republic illegaly"

ARCATYPE: I dont need to provide any source since the 80's its been speculated that 1 million haitians live in the Dominican Republic illegaly.

ANTONIO J, SAID
"The presence of illegal haitians creates a myriad of problems for the dominican state it strains basic services like healthcare, energy consumption lack of good paying jobs for the poor masses. By creating a culture of competition between a low wage worker from Haiti to the local citizen who should be granted a living wage, these effects will further damage the progress of the dominican economy"

2.Competition is always welcome in a vibrant economy, your point above is narrowed minded, and show lack of basic understating of macro and micro economy.
ARCATYPE: No i dont think so, you are not bright enough to understand that jobs are limited in any country that's growing economically. the uneducated people will have to compete for jobs that are being taken by haitian illegals that keep the standard of pay low. Theirs no competition in that environment, your statement is a haitian illusion.

ANTONIO J, SAID

"Haiti's population remains very high, it's the country with the highest birthrate in Latin America"

3. Granted, however not the highest, please quote your source
ARCATYPE: Heres a source http://haitipolicy.org/Dilemma.pdf
ANTONIO J, SAID
"The expulsion of haitians is the key tool to erradicate the many problems that the dominican society faces, also very importantly is to create a barrier or wall to impede illegals from crossing the border."


4.This is a myth, Haitian have been crossing the border to live, and marry in DR since the 1800 as a matter of fact alot of Dominicans today are of Haitians extraction.Something like an amnesty for 2nd generation born and up is more appropriate.
ARCATYPE: Who's feeding you such lies, most dominicans dont want nothing to do with Haiti or haitians. What you really mean is that haitians have always attempted to take over land that does not belong to them. Also the racism between the black majority in Haiti and its minority of mulattos is why your society is so screwed up!!!!!

ANTONIO J, SAID
The threat from Haiti is very real we share the border with the poorest country in the western hemisphere, the policy of the haitian goverment is very simple and is to export it's poverty to the Dominican Republic
"

5.For sure you have higher contact with the Haitian governement and it's part of their red book plan, however your twisted logic follow a consistent path and will apply to your held believe that history should be interpeted from the point of view of the spaniards, not from the point of view of the son of slaves and spaniards.
ARCATYPE: The majority of dominicans are not son's or daughter's of former slaves dont confuse us with Haiti that all of your people are descendants of slaves. The threat is real i already explained my point. And history is what it is we are two seperate country's we never wanted to be part of Haiti. Remember we never invaded your country, you invaded us several times even occupied us we got rid of you the hard way. It was the will of the dominican people!!!!!

ARCATYPE: The majority of dominicans are not son's or daughter's of former slaves dont confuse us with Haiti that all of your people are descendants of slaves. The threat is real i already explained my point. And history is what it is we are two seperate country's we never wanted to be part of Haiti. Remember we never invaded your country, you invaded us several times even occupied us we got rid of you the hard way. It was the will of the dominican people!!!!!



Such an idiot , you make me sick!!!! Y por k no te callates la boca, asi puedes aprender algo.

5.For sure you have higher contact with the Haitian governement and it's part of their red book plan, however your twisted logic follow a consistent path and will apply to your held believe that history should be interpeted from the point of view of the spaniards, not from the point of view of the son of slaves and spaniards.
ARCATYPE: The majority of dominicans are not son's or daughter's of former slaves dont confuse us with Haiti that all of your people are descendants of slaves. The threat is real i already explained my point. And history is what it is we are two seperate country's we never wanted to be part of Haiti. Remember we never invaded your country, you invaded us several times even occupied us we got rid of you the hard way. It was the will of the dominican people!!!!!


Please take your time to read "son of slaves and spaniards" that is pretty much the majority today
Arctype you are a lost case, your self identity issue is revealing however your ignorance shine, your spelling and your responses can attest to that.

JOE ROMERO
MIRAMAR, FLORIDA
jromero137@comcast.net

WILSGREEN, YOU HAVE WRITTEN STRONG ARGUEMENT ON DOMINICAN AND HAITIAN RELATIONS WHICH I AGREE, AND I'M ALSO SADDEN BY OUR CONDITION. AS WE DIG DEEPER INTO THESE TWO NATIONS HISTORY, WE CAN SURMISE THAT HATE ONCE PREVAILED IN THE MINDS OF THOSE WHOM WANTED TO CREATE A CONSTANT DIVISION.

BUT, AS WE KNOW THE OVERALL POPULATION OF THESE COUNTRIES DON' T SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENT AND IT WILL BE OUR NEW AND EDUCATED GENERATION THAT WILL DISPLACE THOSE CONDITIONS. THROUGH EDUCATION WE SHALL BE ONE COUNTRY AND, WITH COOPERATION AND UNDERSTANDING WE CAN FORM A COALITION OF UNITY AND PROGRESS.

LET US NOW BEGIN OUR JOURNEY OF SOLIDARITY AND DISPEL ALL THAT IS DIVISIVE BETWEEN OUR TWO NATIONS.

Oh no sir, don't point your fingers at me, because you're the one shouting yourself hoarse trying to disprove their estimate without presenting a proof, I was just pointing out to you the very real possibility that they might be right on their estimates, based on four facts: 1- the "laissez faire" that the dominican government have shown on this issue on recent years, 2- the fact that the deportations of haitian inmigrants have been less and less frequent, 3- the pressure that the government have been receiving from the agrarian, construction consortiums and some NGO's in order to maintain the current status quo, and 4- the opinion from people actually living their everyday lives on the aforementioned provinces, which serve as first hand witnesses about the issue. Just these four facts alone can lead one to conclude that: 1- the 2 million estimate might actually be a conservative one about the issue and 2- The situation might be such that the numbers of inmigrants recently arrived might be surpassing the ones from the people descended from inmigrants of 2nd and 3rd generations.

I might not agree with Arcatype and Carlos Franco´s radicalism, but, seeing as how we live on a third world country that is barely holding its own, one can not help but conclude that the lack of a clear inmigration policy will be harmful to the state´s well being as whole in the future, because the dominican government is adopting the irresponsible policy of letting this inmigrational issue get out of control in order for it and the big consortiums to make it big on their profits, without recognizing the fact that the country has already serious problems providing public services and the like to its own citizens, and that as such, it can´t give itself the luxury of having an open doors policy without risking the possibility of facing serious social conflicts on the future, given the country´s track as one of the most unequal on the distribution of resources issue on the entire continent (only surpassed by Brazil and Haiti on this front).

Lautaro :

... Just these three facts alone can lead one to conclude that: 1- the 2 million estimate might actually be a conservative one about the issue and 2- The situation might be such that the numbers of inmigrants recently arrived might be surpassing the ones from the people descended from inmigrants of 2nd and 3rd generations.

Do you have any notion of statistics ?... Just these three facts alone can lead one to conclude that: 1- the 2 million estimate might actually be a conservative one about the issue ... conservative ? jajajaja

To Arcatype :
Okkkkkk
Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem?

Dominicans like Arcatype wouldn't have any problems with Haitians if only they can solve they identity problem .
Young fellow stop "bold-ing" when you quote , it is rude . It seen that you are yelling at someone ,it doesn't show any mutual respect.Stupid as you are , you may think that i am dictating you what to do huh!! I am not dictating you.

If you haven't been reading well, I'm just stating a POSSIBILITY, not an established fact (and as such open to be debated). If you can't acknowledge the fact that the problem might be out of control, then show the proofs backing your views, otherwise, if you don't have them, then stay silent. We already have enough radical fools over here to have to withstand the ramblings of another glorified Black Panther, as things are standing. And, if you haven't been paying attention, the socioeconomic situation of Haiti have only worsened since the 2004 coup against Aristide, and as such, it's a given that the emigration to the other side of the fence have only tended to increase, in order to escape the poverty and lack of opportunities still pervading the country.