Lautaro how do you repatriate 2 millions people,? before attempting such a task I would imagine some kind of census would be needed, however this is a great dilemma for Dominicans when there is no real attempt on the goverment side to resolve this.....bottom line this situation keep businesses happy and the ultra nationalist about something to justify their rant. I wonder how long it's going to take to address such an issue 30 , 50, 100 years by then I am afraid, they will be part of the mozaic make up of DR

That's the thing, my friend. The dominican government have yet to sit down and consider the fact that it will have to integrate these people sooner or later, unless they want to let the issue explode in their faces, as such. These people will not remain idle for long, you know, so it's a fact that they'll start reclaiming their rights in earnest on the short run.

No Laut, I was not pointing fingers at you, at least not directly anyway. What I am trying to say is that the same proof that is being asked for the disproval of that 2 millions are the same proof that I am asking to prove it accurately that number. Indeed the lack of a clear immigration policy wold be proven hurtful for any Countries who share borders. Well, the Dominican Governments are the very same ones partaking in the illegality of those immigrants and migrants, a dilemma with no quick fix had they been fervent enough to know how to put aside racist views, hatred and resentments aside so that both Governments of both Nations could have been able to come up with solutions.

Now let us say for once that that 2 Million in a long shot was to be accurate and as they claim are illegal, then what is the consensus on the legal ones then. You cannot tell me that all the 2 millions are totally affirmatively illegals. The number will only increase, the more their status is to remain in the so called "TRANSITION" without due process or possibility to become legal and much worse that they grand children and great grant children are too in trasition when they are born on the soil, because what you have created is a whirlpool entrapping quagmire that those who were to actually be illegals would not ever subject themselves to simply because they know in the event of a consensus it would not be to grant them legality, but to expatriate. So why would they ever even bother allowing those agents near them. Ask yourself this: If i were to be an illegal migrants do yo think I would want to waste my time open up my door for a census agent? So with that scenario in mind, any room for inaccuracy is too close for comfort to claim such a census ever accurate thus the next best thing is a guestimation. Come on Laut, Paternity testing and a good balloting system have just recently made its way into DR this year, leave alone the complex systematic effort to conduct a good accurate census.

I have taken part of Census before in Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa even here in America an advanced Country would still not have an accurate number that from actually physical experience those censuses are always lacking accuracy leave alone an underdeveloped Island like Hispaniola both DR and Haiti would never ever even be able to reach any number close to a good guestimation period. Do you even know how a census is conducted, Laut? If you want I could tell you the processes and procedures how it works, done and conducted.

ANTONIO J, SAID

Please take your time to read "son of slaves and spaniards" that is pretty much the majority today
Arctype you are a lost case, your self identity issue is revealing however your ignorance shine, your spelling and your responses can attest to that.

ARCATYPE: As i knew it, you have no defensive answers to your rhetorical simple questions. And dont recommend books to me, first learn basic history then talk to me. Your ignorance is overwhelming.

TO Lautaro :
We agreed on a BIG point: There is a Haitian immigration problem here in DR and it is even more serious than what the States, Spain,France etc.... are confronting . (If you are in the states now you should recognize the facts.)

Then , got to tell you I am not a black panther nor a racist . If I have to fight white supremacist it wouldn't have been in this site.
I mention your statement because , I don't think people should take their assumptions or expectations and post it as a fact or absolute truth. You may be right you may be wrong but this is not the fact.

According to the data provided by the October 2002 nationwide census, the population of the Dominican Republic is 8,230,772, reports DR1 Daily News (Jan. 17, 2003) . If there are 2 million Haitians in DR imagine what does that mean. One quarter of Dominican population is Haitians , not Haitians in origin but Immigrants . Bwoyyyyyyy !!!!! something is very wrong , I cannot even picture it .


AH !! I don't get intimidated by big words .You stated : We already have enough radical fools over here to have to withstand the ramblings of another glorified Black Panther...
Please save your energy , I read your posts and I always see your point of view as different then the others"fools" as you said. As you ask me to prove my point I never post without a reference I don't expect people to agree with me , but I can share my references.

Oups before I forget : in wiki ,This page was last modified on 8 May 2008, at 12:49. it gives you an estimate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Dominican

That is the contentious whirlpool Quagmire I am trying to prove to you.

OMG who is who, who is what ?? can some one delete the word "IGNORANT " I need to see clear ,what is basic history? we need some high school degree here.

Thank you... Thus their biggest fear if indeed there are 2 Million illegals in DR without even counting the legal ones and those that are tourists from the USA residing there simply because it is slightly safer and just so they could be closer to Haiti; then the number would have to surpass that of the 2 Million Haitians in question in general those buffoons are talking about.

My point exactly.

These wiki pages always give estimates and anyone who is a Wikipedia member can edit information on there. NOW, THAT IS A FACT! Thank you so much for proving my point, dear freind. I have never seen you on here before, so I take it you are a new member. Well anyway fellow brother, welcome to the spinning zone (lol)!

MNEMONIC, SAID
Dominicans like Arcatype wouldn't have any problems with Haitians if only they can solve they identity problem .
Young fellow stop "bold-ing" when you quote , it is rude . It seen that you are yelling at someone ,it doesn't show any mutual respect.Stupid as you are , you may think that i am dictating you what to do huh!! I am not dictating you.
ARCATYPE: Litsen Afro-Centrist you dont know nothing about me or about the history of Hispaniola. You are simply a lost cause. You are most likely an African American living in Harlem stuck on stupid trying to start a "REVOLUTION"????? Kill Whitey? or probably a rebellious haitian in either case youre a nobody and that means that i will further ignore you!!!!!

Oh this site do not delete or ban full blooded Dominicans for their defaming, derogatory and condescending remarks, but try say something about Dominicans and see how quick they will be to delete you and if you are mix of both Dominican and Haitian like me those ignorant idiots will still try to say you are Haitian as though it is a bad thing to be Haitian. To them, calling somebody Haitian is their gravest way of insulting someone. I say this is all what you call mentally enslaved nigger mentality for a person of color to think they are superior than another person of color.