| #401 - Posted 6 July 2008, 8:39 PM | |
Location: Brazil Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1510 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: Mnemonic previously said: According to the data provided by the October 2002 nationwide census, the population of the Dominican Republic is 8,230,772, reports DR1 Daily News (Jan. 17, 2003) . If there are 2 million Haitians in DR imagine what does that mean. One quarter of Dominican population is Haitians , not Haitians in origin but Immigrants . Bwoyyyyyyy !!!!! something is very wrong , I cannot even picture it . Well, you couldn´t have chosen a more inadequate source of info, my friend, because that census is waaay too outdated to be given any credence anymore, and as such, you have to consider the following: 1- The census was made before the coup against Aristide, and, as many people have recognized time and again when discussing haitian affairs, things weren't as bad under Aristide as they would be after the coup against him, so it's a given that, although it have always existed, the haitian migration to the DR wasn't as pronounced back then as it is now, and 2- This census was made on the PRD gov., a party which have characterized itself time and again for filling governmental posts (including the ones on the statitics office) with good-for-nothing compañeros, which may have bungled the process of making the census with their known ineptitude. As such, the current estimations on the dominican population put it as high as 9,500,000 people. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |
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| #402 - Posted 6 July 2008, 8:46 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Montellano Join date: June 2008 Member #: 944 Posts: 191 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Mnemonic previously said: According to the data provided by the October 2002 nationwide census, the population of the Dominican Republic is 8,230,772, reports DR1 Daily News (Jan. 17, 2003) . If there are 2 million Haitians in DR imagine what does that mean. One quarter of Dominican population is Haitians , not Haitians in origin but Immigrants . Bwoyyyyyyy !!!!! something is very wrong , I cannot even picture it . Well, you couldn´t have chosen a more inadequate source of info, my friend, because that census is waaay too outdated to be given any credence anymore, and as such, you have to consider the following: 1- The census was made before the coup against Aristide, and, as many people have recognized time and again when discussing haitian affairs, things weren't as bad under Aristide as they would be after the coup against him, so it's a given that, although it have always existed, the haitian migration to the DR wasn't as pronounced back then as it is now, and 2- This census was made on the PRD gov., a party which have characterized itself time and again for filling governmental posts (including the ones on the statitics office) with good-for-nothing compañeros, which may have bungled the process of making the census with their known ineptitude. As such, the current estimations on the dominican population put it as high as 9,500,000 people. Correct it is 9,500, 000 people which is still a guestimation given the lines of margin of plus and minus errors room. So let us go back to the Census again. If the population is 9, 500, 000 and take away the so called 2 Million Haitians in question... Thus you mean to tell me the actual number for those whoa re actually Dominicans is a population is 7, 500, 000 people? When since 1990 - 91 it was already estimated that DR's population was a steady 8,000, 000 people which did not include the Haitians as that census was conducted during the time Balaguer had returned closed to a good 1.5 Million Haitians when Aristide was elected president in 1991 and given the constant repatriation of Haitians back to Haiti and those that are killed and never mentioned in daily DR news a the Border. Edited on 7/6/2008 8:53 PM by Consuello. |
| #403 - Posted 6 July 2008, 8:46 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 977 Posts: 28 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? The word for it is post slavery syndrome , first to begin is denial and negation. I feel you man |
| #404 - Posted 6 July 2008, 8:51 PM | |
Location: Brazil Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1510 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: Consuello previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Mnemonic previously said: According to the data provided by the October 2002 nationwide census, the population of the Dominican Republic is 8,230,772, reports DR1 Daily News (Jan. 17, 2003) . If there are 2 million Haitians in DR imagine what does that mean. One quarter of Dominican population is Haitians , not Haitians in origin but Immigrants . Bwoyyyyyyy !!!!! something is very wrong , I cannot even picture it . Well, you couldn´t have chosen a more inadequate source of info, my friend, because that census is waaay too outdated to be given any credence anymore, and as such, you have to consider the following: 1- The census was made before the coup against Aristide, and, as many people have recognized time and again when discussing haitian affairs, things weren't as bad under Aristide as they would be after the coup against him, so it's a given that, although it have always existed, the haitian migration to the DR wasn't as pronounced back then as it is now, and 2- This census was made on the PRD gov., a party which have characterized itself time and again for filling governmental posts (including the ones on the statitics office) with good-for-nothing compañeros, which may have bungled the process of making the census with their known ineptitude. As such, the current estimations on the dominican population put it as high as 9,500,000 people. Correct it is 9,500, 000 people. So let us go back to the Census again. If the population is 9, 500, 000 and take away the so called 2 Million Haitians in question... Thus you mean to tell me the actual number for those whoa re actually Dominicans is a population is 7, 500, 000 people? When since 1990 it was already estimated that DR's population was a steady 8,000, 000 people which did not include the Haitians as that census was conducted during the time Balaguer had returned closed to a good 1.5 Million Haitians when Aristide was elected president in 1991. Well, you have to take into account that there's have been a lot of dominican emigration to the US and Spain since then, Consuello. And you have to take into account that (as incredible as it may sound), the migrational rates for dominicans are actually higher than those of the haitians. You just have to check out that wiki link that Mnemonic gave out and see for yourself. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |
| #405 - Posted 6 July 2008, 8:53 PM | |
Location: Canada, Oakville on terra firma Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 474 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: Mnemonic previously said: Quote: arcatype previously said: ANTONIO J, SAID Please take your time to read "son of slaves and spaniards" that is pretty much the majority today Arctype you are a lost case, your self identity issue is revealing however your ignorance shine, your spelling and your responses can attest to that. ARCATYPE: As i knew it, you have no defensive answers to your rhetorical simple questions. And dont recommend books to me, first learn basic history then talk to me. Your ignorance is overwhelming. OMG who is who, who is what ?? can some one delete the word "IGNORANT " I need to see clear ,what is basic history? we need some high school degree here. lol... lost in translation. Does any one remember that quote ?" Do you... understand the word coming out of my mouth?" |
| #406 - Posted 6 July 2008, 9:07 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 977 Posts: 28 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Lautaro : Based on united nation recommendation, a census is to be taken every 10 years . October 2002 nationwide census, the population of the Dominican Republic is 8,230,772 , you said it is outdated ? may be but I don't know man should I trust you or the big scientists of UNITED NATION ? But I realize that you are insinuated that an average of 1.5 million Haitians have immigrated to DR since , where is DR government ? how did this happen??? Quote "As such, the current estimations on the dominican population put it as high as 9,500,000 people". You didn't count the population yourself , give me reference pls. Edited on 7/6/2008 9:14 PM by Mnemonic. |
| #407 - Posted 6 July 2008, 9:07 PM | |
Location: Canada, Oakville on terra firma Join date: January 2008 Member #: 268 Posts: 474 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Consuello previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Mnemonic previously said: According to the data provided by the October 2002 nationwide census, the population of the Dominican Republic is 8,230,772, reports DR1 Daily News (Jan. 17, 2003) . If there are 2 million Haitians in DR imagine what does that mean. One quarter of Dominican population is Haitians , not Haitians in origin but Immigrants . Bwoyyyyyyy !!!!! something is very wrong , I cannot even picture it . Well, you couldn´t have chosen a more inadequate source of info, my friend, because that census is waaay too outdated to be given any credence anymore, and as such, you have to consider the following: 1- The census was made before the coup against Aristide, and, as many people have recognized time and again when discussing haitian affairs, things weren't as bad under Aristide as they would be after the coup against him, so it's a given that, although it have always existed, the haitian migration to the DR wasn't as pronounced back then as it is now, and 2- This census was made on the PRD gov., a party which have characterized itself time and again for filling governmental posts (including the ones on the statitics office) with good-for-nothing compañeros, which may have bungled the process of making the census with their known ineptitude. As such, the current estimations on the dominican population put it as high as 9,500,000 people. Correct it is 9,500, 000 people. So let us go back to the Census again. If the population is 9, 500, 000 and take away the so called 2 Million Haitians in question... Thus you mean to tell me the actual number for those whoa re actually Dominicans is a population is 7, 500, 000 people? When since 1990 it was already estimated that DR's population was a steady 8,000, 000 people which did not include the Haitians as that census was conducted during the time Balaguer had returned closed to a good 1.5 Million Haitians when Aristide was elected president in 1991. Well, you have to take into account that there's have been a lot of dominican emigration to the US and Spain since then, Consuello. And you have to take into account that (as incredible as it may sound), the migrational rates for dominicans are actually higher than those of the haitians. You just have to check out that wiki link that Mnemonic gave out and see for yourself. Hard to believe indeed the migration rate is higher in DR here 's the info from wiki below as provided by Mnemonic About half of Dominicans live in rural areas; many are small landholders. Spanish is the dominant language among the majority population. Haitians form the largest minority group, some 500 000 (or 6% of the population) according to Human Rights Watch.[1] Many Haitians in the Dominican Republic are illegal immigrants; others are Dominican-born citizens. All religions are tolerated; the state religion is Roman Catholicism, with a 95% majority. Minority religions include Baptist, Evangelist, Seventh-day Adventist, Judaism and Bahá'í. Population: 9,365,818 (July 2007 est.) Edited on 7/6/2008 9:08 PM by antonioj. |
| #408 - Posted 6 July 2008, 9:08 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Montellano Join date: June 2008 Member #: 944 Posts: 191 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Consuello previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Mnemonic previously said: According to the data provided by the October 2002 nationwide census, the population of the Dominican Republic is 8,230,772, reports DR1 Daily News (Jan. 17, 2003) . If there are 2 million Haitians in DR imagine what does that mean. One quarter of Dominican population is Haitians , not Haitians in origin but Immigrants . Bwoyyyyyyy !!!!! something is very wrong , I cannot even picture it . Well, you couldn´t have chosen a more inadequate source of info, my friend, because that census is waaay too outdated to be given any credence anymore, and as such, you have to consider the following: 1- The census was made before the coup against Aristide, and, as many people have recognized time and again when discussing haitian affairs, things weren't as bad under Aristide as they would be after the coup against him, so it's a given that, although it have always existed, the haitian migration to the DR wasn't as pronounced back then as it is now, and 2- This census was made on the PRD gov., a party which have characterized itself time and again for filling governmental posts (including the ones on the statitics office) with good-for-nothing compañeros, which may have bungled the process of making the census with their known ineptitude. As such, the current estimations on the dominican population put it as high as 9,500,000 people. Correct it is 9,500, 000 people. So let us go back to the Census again. If the population is 9, 500, 000 and take away the so called 2 Million Haitians in question... Thus you mean to tell me the actual number for those whoa re actually Dominicans is a population is 7, 500, 000 people? When since 1990 it was already estimated that DR's population was a steady 8,000, 000 people which did not include the Haitians as that census was conducted during the time Balaguer had returned closed to a good 1.5 Million Haitians when Aristide was elected president in 1991. Well, you have to take into account that there's have been a lot of dominican emigration to the US and Spain since then, Consuello. And you have to take into account that (as incredible as it may sound), the migrational rates for dominicans are actually higher than those of the haitians. You just have to check out that wiki link that Mnemonic gave out and see for yourself. Granted, and thus by your own omission then brings us back to the fact that such a census by all and any means could not be or have been accurate and given all this margin for error and lack of precise impartiality and non-prejudice that is within the existing known notion of racial discrimination, persecutions and Human Rights violations to add the historical resentments and tension has render even deeper the improbability for such a census to be, once again, accurate. Like I said, the DNA paternity testing & means have just recently arrived in DR as well as the recent Voting balloting system. That we have many Dominican teens in DR who are impregnated by so many tourists and given the major other factor of prostitutes in major tourists areas who have had children by men they still till these days do not k now the father because the father was only a passer's by tourist. Let us take all the factors into consideration then once and for all. Lautaro... I have been to Iraq 3 times, Afghanistan 1 and along with other many three months tours in Africa, South & Central Latin-Americas and believe me Unit have conducted census there and we still have to place our calculation as an estimate given the fact many villages were not accessible and the hit and misses of even being able to catch someone home and even when we do get into someone's home, we cannot force them to give us information they do not wish to give, to include those that feared us and shut their doors before we could get to their door steps and those that do not even open their doors and so forth and so forth, let me know if you want me to give you further details on how a census actually do work, conducted and the processes and procedures, dear friend. By the way, who do you think sponsor most of those world censuses? |
| #409 - Posted 6 July 2008, 9:13 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Montellano Join date: June 2008 Member #: 944 Posts: 191 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: antonioj previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Consuello previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Mnemonic previously said: According to the data provided by the October 2002 nationwide census, the population of the Dominican Republic is 8,230,772, reports DR1 Daily News (Jan. 17, 2003) . If there are 2 million Haitians in DR imagine what does that mean. One quarter of Dominican population is Haitians , not Haitians in origin but Immigrants . Bwoyyyyyyy !!!!! something is very wrong , I cannot even picture it . Well, you couldn´t have chosen a more inadequate source of info, my friend, because that census is waaay too outdated to be given any credence anymore, and as such, you have to consider the following: 1- The census was made before the coup against Aristide, and, as many people have recognized time and again when discussing haitian affairs, things weren't as bad under Aristide as they would be after the coup against him, so it's a given that, although it have always existed, the haitian migration to the DR wasn't as pronounced back then as it is now, and 2- This census was made on the PRD gov., a party which have characterized itself time and again for filling governmental posts (including the ones on the statitics office) with good-for-nothing compañeros, which may have bungled the process of making the census with their known ineptitude. As such, the current estimations on the dominican population put it as high as 9,500,000 people. Correct it is 9,500, 000 people. So let us go back to the Census again. If the population is 9, 500, 000 and take away the so called 2 Million Haitians in question... Thus you mean to tell me the actual number for those whoa re actually Dominicans is a population is 7, 500, 000 people? When since 1990 it was already estimated that DR's population was a steady 8,000, 000 people which did not include the Haitians as that census was conducted during the time Balaguer had returned closed to a good 1.5 Million Haitians when Aristide was elected president in 1991. Well, you have to take into account that there's have been a lot of dominican emigration to the US and Spain since then, Consuello. And you have to take into account that (as incredible as it may sound), the migrational rates for dominicans are actually higher than those of the haitians. You just have to check out that wiki link that Mnemonic gave out and see for yourself. Hard to believe indeed the migration rate is higher in DR here 's the info from wiki below as provided by Mnemonic About half of Dominicans live in rural areas; many are small landholders. Spanish is the dominant language among the majority population. Haitians form the largest minority group, some 500 000 (or 6% of the population) according to Human Rights Watch.[1] Many Haitians in the Dominican Republic are illegal immigrants; others are Dominican-born citizens. All religions are tolerated; the state religion is Roman Catholicism, with a 95% majority. Minority religions include Baptist, Evangelist, Seventh-day Adventist, Judaism and Bahá'í. Population: 9,365,818 (July 2007 est.) Thank you!!! As it says here, valid or not and wiki or not and let us say we are going to give even a 6 % room margin for plus and minus posisble error. It says there in 2007 it was 9, 365, 819 or even if it was 9, 500, 000 and Haitians are a 6% of that population Lautaro, you do the math. What is 6% of a clean cut 9, 000, 000 population? |
| #410 - Posted 6 July 2008, 9:15 PM | |
Location: Brazil Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1510 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: Consuello previously said: By the way, who do you think sponsor most of those world censuses? The US Department of State? Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |