In the short term objective of gaining independence, yes (something that wasn't in Toussaint's short term plans, mind you, cuz' if it would have, he would have already sold his sword to the british). But on the even more strategic long term one of gaining an unified island and a more stable freedom and economic position, that decision would be an atrocious blunder, in my humble opinion. Had he stayed on the Spaniard side, it would have been easier for Toussaint to win the eastern cattle ranchers to his cause than in the way he ended up making things, that is, occupying their colony under pretext of enforcing a foreign treaty. Given his talent for identifying and exploiting situations in which hearts and minds could be gained, it's surprising that he didn't take this matter into consideration, or the fact that it could (and indeed it would) come to bite his arse, and the ones of his successors, much later. As the popular saying goes: "There's not a second chance for making a first impression".

Why are we calling ARC and CARLOS with discussions like this (lol)?

This is going to get bent out of shape thus making the perfect entrance for ARC and CARLOS who are incapable of amicably and with civility debating like the two of you are. So we have got to be a little bit more aware that this will call for CARLOSARCA intervention written all over it (lol)!

Speaking of which, Arc hasn't shown his ugly visage much, lately. Maybe he cowered after being threatened of bieng at the business end of cibaeño's ferocity. LOL

LAUTARO, SAID
Speaking of which, Arc hasn't shown his ugly visage much, lately. Maybe he cowered after being threatened of bieng at the business end of cibaeño's ferocity. LOL

Ha Ha Ha Dont make me laugh scared of what and who! Dude the fact is mr. Cibaeno75 takes losses as a sore loser. That's too bad, i have no beef with him. I hold no grudges with no one.
I had to comeback and say that USADR is doing a great job explaining historical truth's. Read this link on how haitians as an example soften history to fit their beliefs. http://haiti.wikia.com/wiki/History_of_Haiti#Haiti_in_the_19th_century

Im not coming back though, they banned me its fine. Its not my website.

Thanks for the clarification, I didn't mean to suggest that Toussaints' 'betrayal' and invasion of Santo Domingo both happened in 1801 since Souviens didn't specify what event he was addressing.
Spain at that time was already in a weakened state and France was on the rise, but one thing the Spanish colony of Santo Domingo did not want is anything to do with the French.

I've been in debates where DR is being villainized by Haitians and they are always surprised by this fact. This inconvenient truth blows a hole in the whole race based analysis they tend to pathologize Dominicans with.

Toussaint betrays his allies, switches his allegiance to France, and is betrayed captured and dies an ignoble death. With the advantage of looking back in history we can debate this forever.

One question: Where the Haitians right in what they did to us?
*waits for the usual silence/spinning/downplaying/candycoated non-answers*
You have to admit, that when reading many Haitian accounts of that period they use politically correct terms like 'unifying' (invasion) or 'tried to unify' (invaded or tried to invade) or 'united together, 1 island indivisible' (occupied) lol
Everyone is very clear about Trujillos evil misdeeds...but for some reason there is a silence regarding Haiti's historical misdeeds. That's all I'm saying. I find this very hypocritical.

Why were you banned?

You know what I find hypricritical USDR, is how so many Dominicans go and spew diatribes and say very, very, nasty things about Haitians and when we go out and defend ourselves, ancestors, and country, we are portrayed as being rude, playing the race cards and all sorts of stupid s***. Haitians who go to DR are only interested in one thing...And thats feeding their families. But what I hear from many of your countrymen is that we are invading, trying to make your country black, spreading diseases, taking away jobs, forcing you to learn French/Kreyol, spreading Noirism, and thats just to name a few. Instead of trying to find things that bring out the similarites between us, we've stoop down to petty insults and bringing up events that happened before any of us were born. Talk about how our flags are beautiful, how Meringue/Compas are basically the same, how the war of Restoration was won with Haitian help, how the town of Ouanaminthe was named after a Dominican woman,how theres a Dominican company helping to provide electricity/Potable water in rural Haiti. All I read on this damn website is insults after insult after insults from both Haitians and Dominicans. I don't see or hear Indians still whining about the British occupation, and Angolans are not finding a reason to s*+^ on the Portuguese every single chance they get.....Oh but not the Dominicans and Haitians. Dominicans complaining theres too much ugly Haitians in DR, and Haitians saying DR are enslaving them and forcing them to cut sugarcane... Balaguer-Trujillo this, Dessaline-Boyer that. For goodness sakes all four of these men are dead. We are nothing but a bunch of kindergardeners discussing politics. If this type of disgusting behavior continues they will never be cordial relations between the peoples and country....Its getting to a point where I'm thinking of leaving this site. Aside from Cibeano, Lautaro, Talia, AfroLatino, Jaboa, nobody post anything progressive.