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#501 - Posted 25 July 2008, 1:31 PM
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Im not coming back though, they banned me its fine. Its not my website.

Why were you banned?


Just check any thread with the word Haiti on it, and you'll pretty much find the reason why the owners decided to kick him out.
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#502 - Posted 25 July 2008, 2:37 PM
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You know what I find hypricritical USDR, is how so many Dominicans go and spew diatribes and say very, very, nasty things about Haitians and when we go out and defend ourselves, ancestors, and country, we are portrayed as being rude, playing the race cards and all sorts of stupid s***. Haitians who go to DR are only interested in one thing...And thats feeding their families. But what I hear from many of your countrymen is that we are invading, trying to make your country black, spreading diseases, taking away jobs, forcing you to learn French/Kreyol, spreading Noirism, and thats just to name a few. Instead of trying to find things that bring out the similarites between us, we've stoop down to petty insults and bringing up events that happened before any of us were born. Talk about how our flags are beautiful, how Meringue/Compas are basically the same, how the war of Restoration was won with Haitian help, how the town of Ouanaminthe was named after a Dominican woman,how theres a Dominican company helping to provide electricity/Potable water in rural Haiti. All I read on this damn website is insults after insult after insults from both Haitians and Dominicans. I don't see or hear Indians still whining about the British occupation, and Angolans are not finding a reason to s*+^ on the Portuguese every single chance they get.....Oh but not the Dominicans and Haitians. Dominicans complaining theres too much ugly Haitians in DR, and Haitians saying DR are enslaving them and forcing them to cut sugarcane... Balaguer-Trujillo this, Dessaline-Boyer that. For goodness sakes all four of these men are dead. We are nothing but a bunch of kindergardeners discussing politics. If this type of disgusting behavior continues they will never be cordial relations between the peoples and country....Its getting to a point where I'm thinking of leaving this site. Aside from Cibeano, Lautaro, Talia, AfroLatino, Jaboa, nobody post anything progressive.


Exactly my friend. This has been the only factor in me not participating in this site as often as I have done before. Haitians aren't trying to "invade" the Dominican Republic and Dominicans aren't "enslaving" Haitians. So many posters on here (arcatype and Carlos for an easy example) love getting caught up in history to the point of forgetting that they live in the present.
#503 - Posted 25 July 2008, 3:12 PM
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Well it isn't just those two involved in history, many posters here refer to history. And though I agree that posters from both sides of the islands get carried away in moments, I think the agitation on the forum can be traced to a few particular members. The question becomes are we here to dialogue on shared interests and enjoy discussion or to fight fruitless crusades? Are we really so arrogant to think that ages-old issues of nationality, race, and language are going to be resolved on the DT.com forum
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#504 - Posted 25 July 2008, 3:27 PM
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Well it isn't just those two involved in history, many posters here refer to history. And though I agree that posters from both sides of the islands get carried away in moments, I think the agitation on the forum can be traced to a few particular members. The question becomes are we here to dialogue on shared interests and enjoy discussion or to fight fruitless crusades? Are we really so arrogant to think that ages-old issues of nationality, race, and language are going to be resolved on the DT.com forum



You bring up a good question Manhattanite and from the way things are going, it seems as if this site is going towards the latter than the former. Carlos and Arca aren't the only ones to delve into history and so I'm not saying it's only them but I referred to them due the fact that they use their alleged "historical knowledge" in an attempt to justify their bloodfelt hatred of Haitians. I for one love history and I'm pretty sure this applies to other respected members on here as well such as you or Lautaro or Cibaeno. However I'm also sure that we (excluding those boneheads and a few others) uphold history to its highest regard and see it as it is, simply history, and not a "tool" to undermine another country or its people. Both countries are proud sovereign nations that have contributed greatly to the region they are located in and considering the small size of both countries combined, that actually says a lot. Its only unfortunate that Haiti isn't on the same level economically-speaking as the DR because if that were the case, I believe that we would be much more amicable and many of the problems that exist today btwn the two countries would've never spawned in the first place.
#505 - Posted 25 July 2008, 3:29 PM
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I agree with you 100% HAY, that is also one of the main reasons I also abstain from participating in these posts on a more consistent basis. I just play the role of Switzerland in WW II and remain neutral lol...and I also agree with you jemesouviens1804, I also think enough is enough already. However, I must say that what I have seen most of the time regarding this Haitian-Dominican conflict is that it always starts with a Haitian accusing Dominicans of something and that needs to stop. I read about topics about Dominican food, tourism, anything really and someone always has to bring up the Haiti-DR conflict! I hate to say that because I don't like to point fingers or start accusing anyone, but I have noticed that trend. And many of the Dominicans here need to stop getting so caught up and taking those type of posts so personal because otherwise it's going to be a neverending argument between the two nationalities; sometimes the best thing to do is to just ignore those type of posts and be the bigger person. I do however understand that it is hard to keep your mouth shut because we are all human and some people here really don't know anything about DR and act like they know more about Dominicans then Dominicans themselves (which may be true in some cases, but not all the time) and they just say some really stupid b.s.....I don't intend to offend anyone with what I just mentioned above, I know that not all the Haitians that are on here are here to start arguments with Dominicans or start pointing fingers and I know that not all Dominicans on here let these things get to them or start saying bad things about Haitians either.
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#506 - Posted 25 July 2008, 4:33 PM
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OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!! Forget what I said about leaving people......I just saw a very good reason for me to stay. JEM237 I see that you are a new member. I would like to welcome you to DT(obviously from my screen-name you can tell Im Haitian). I look forward to discussing and debating some of the topics with you.
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Thank you for the welcome jemesouviens! I look forward to discussing topics with you and all the others here as well

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#508 - Posted 25 July 2008, 8:45 PM
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JAMES1804, SAIDYou know what I find hypricritical USDR, is how so many Dominicans go and spew diatribes and say very, very, nasty things about Haitians and when we go out and defend ourselves, ancestors, and country, we are portrayed as being rude, playing the race cards and all sorts of stupid s***. Haitians who go to DR are only interested in one thing...And thats feeding their families. But what I hear from many of your countrymen is that we are invading, trying to make your country black, spreading diseases, taking away jobs, forcing you to learn French/Kreyol, spreading Noirism, and thats just to name a few. Instead of trying to find things that bring out the similarites between us, we've stoop down to petty insults and bringing up events that happened before any of us were born. Talk about how our flags are beautiful, how Meringue/Compas are basically the same, how the war of Restoration was won with Haitian help, how the town of Ouanaminthe was named after a Dominican woman,how theres a Dominican company helping to provide electricity/Potable water in rural Haiti. All I read on this damn website is insults after insult after insults from both Haitians and Dominicans. I don't see or hear Indians still whining about the British occupation, and Angolans are not finding a reason to s*+^ on the Portuguese every single chance they get.....Oh but not the Dominicans and Haitians. Dominicans complaining theres too much ugly Haitians in DR, and Haitians saying DR are enslaving them and forcing them to cut sugarcane... Balaguer-Trujillo this, Dessaline-Boyer that. For goodness sakes all four of these men are dead. We are nothing but a bunch of kindergardeners discussing politics. If this type of disgusting behavior continues they will never be cordial relations between the peoples and country....Its getting to a point where I'm thinking of leaving this site. Aside from Cibeano, Lautaro, Talia, AfroLatino, Jaboa, nobody post anything progressive.

I have to respond to your analytical and self indulgent exposition on down playing history to fit your selfish agenda. What you should be advocating is solutions to fix the problems in Haiti with other fellow haitians, The dominican goverment is not responsible for the miserable conditions in Haiti. The never ending pattern of illegal immigration into the Dominican Republic means that the goverment has to allocate money that is limited to help illegal haitians, that money should be spent to help poor dominican citizens. The question regarding an "invasion" is legitimate we have an estimated 1.5 million haitians some put it as high as 2 million which i feel might be correct if you add their children. If you dont call that an invasion? then what is it? we dont have those highly explosive numbers of any other group including tourist's in the country. As far as history is concerned dominicans never invaded Haiti, so naturally your sentiment is not negative. Another thing that catched my attention was something related to food somewhere in the forum, concerning the origins of the food that we eat. People have this ignorant notion that the food that we eat is heavily influenced by Africa well that's terribly wrong. The dominican bandera consist of one meal, as far as i know for those that hail from El Cibao the Sancocho which originates from the Puchero of the Canary Islands. In reality our food just like any other meal has varying influences and it's mainly due to the environment not a particular region of the world, we live in a tropical island so naturally our food will relate to what we have around us. http://www.elnacional.com.do/article.aspx?id=48283
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#509 - Posted 25 July 2008, 8:55 PM
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Im not coming back though, they banned me its fine. Its not my website.
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Why were you banned?

I was banned due to a little skirmish that i had with one of the members here, but what the hell i might pop up once in a blue moon or not, Peace.
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#510 - Posted 25 July 2008, 11:11 PM
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I agree with you 100% HAY, that is also one of the main reasons I also abstain from participating in these posts on a more consistent basis. I just play the role of Switzerland in WW II and remain neutral lol...and I also agree with you jemesouviens1804, I also think enough is enough already. However, I must say that what I have seen most of the time regarding this Haitian-Dominican conflict is that it always starts with a Haitian accusing Dominicans of something and that needs to stop. I read about topics about Dominican food, tourism, anything really and someone always has to bring up the Haiti-DR conflict! I hate to say that because I don't like to point fingers or start accusing anyone, but I have noticed that trend. And many of the Dominicans here need to stop getting so caught up and taking those type of posts so personal because otherwise it's going to be a neverending argument between the two nationalities; sometimes the best thing to do is to just ignore those type of posts and be the bigger person. I do however understand that it is hard to keep your mouth shut because we are all human and some people here really don't know anything about DR and act like they know more about Dominicans then Dominicans themselves (which may be true in some cases, but not all the time) and they just say some really stupid b.s.....I don't intend to offend anyone with what I just mentioned above, I know that not all the Haitians that are on here are here to start arguments with Dominicans or start pointing fingers and I know that not all Dominicans on here let these things get to them or start saying bad things about Haitians either.


I'm glad we're on the same page JEM. It's really tiring. I came on here to learn a little more about the DR, my neighbor and to possibly impart my knowledge onto a few members here about Haiti-related topics and so who better to learn from then actual Dominicans on a Dominican website? Jemesouviens already welcomed you but it wouldn't hurt for me to add on so welcome to DT JEM237!
Edited on 7/25/2008 11:44 PM by HAYkickyouintheSHIN.