| #511 - Posted 25 July 2008, 11:21 PM | |
Location: United States, Spring Valley, NY Join date: December 2007 Member #: 142 Posts: 433 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? "Shin'', I see you reached a milestone my friend. welcome to the 300 club. j'ai vu J'ai participe Je me souvien - 1804 |
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| #512 - Posted 25 July 2008, 11:43 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: January 2008 Member #: 272 Posts: 351 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Thanks souviens..lol. |
| #513 - Posted 26 July 2008, 7:02 PM | |
Location: United States, NY Join date: March 2008 Member #: 511 Posts: 181 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: JEM237 previously said: ... I know that not all the Haitians that are on here are here to start arguments with Dominicans or start pointing fingers and I know that not all Dominicans on here let these things get to them or start saying bad things about Haitians either. that's refreshing! Dios le bendiga! |
| #514 - Posted 28 July 2008, 3:13 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 197 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Anthropological question: To Dominicans who have lived/travelled all thru DR- Would the following generalization be correct: SantoDomingo/San Cristobal: Higher percentage of darker-skinned, stronger amount of Afrodescendancy. El Sur: Higher percentage of mixed (mulatto/zambo/tri racial) with areas of strong Eurodescendancy (Bani & some campos) Cibao: Higher percentage of lighter skinned/stronger amount of Eurodescendancy El Este: Probably the highest percentage of darker skinned/strongest amount of Afrodescendancy. I am basing this on the amount of ethnohistory I know of, personal observation, and the popular generalization I've heard. I have not travelled/lived in Cibao or El Este. By the way, for those that don't know, the rest of the USA (outside of the tri-state area) stereotypes DR's as all being Sammy Sosa/David Ortiz types. When we don't look like that when traveling, say to Texas (like I have) they are puzzled. |
| #515 - Posted 28 July 2008, 3:39 PM | |
Location: Brazil Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1501 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: USADR previously said: Anthropological question: To Dominicans who have lived/travelled all thru DR- Would the following generalization be correct: SantoDomingo/San Cristobal: Higher percentage of darker-skinned, stronger amount of Afrodescendancy. El Sur: Higher percentage of mixed (mulatto/zambo/tri racial) with areas of strong Eurodescendancy (Bani & some campos) Cibao: Higher percentage of lighter skinned/stronger amount of Eurodescendancy El Este: Probably the highest percentage of darker skinned/strongest amount of Afrodescendancy. I am basing this on the amount of ethnohistory I know of, personal observation, and the popular generalization I've heard. I have not travelled/lived in Cibao or El Este. By the way, for those that don't know, the rest of the USA (outside of the tri-state area) stereotypes DR's as all being Sammy Sosa/David Ortiz types. When we don't look like that when traveling, say to Texas (like I have) they are puzzled. Yes, you have been pretty much point blank on that analysis, USADR. Specially regarding the East (a british west indian or "cocolo" stronghold). Regarding the Cibao, you forgot to mention a province that escapes the euro oriented tendency of the majority: Samaná, where the people are chiefly descended from an assorted mix of african americans, west indians and haitians. Although, on recent years, Samana's ethnic "isolation" has been broken with the establishment of some french and white gringos families in Las Terrenas. Edited on 7/28/2008 3:58 PM by Lautaro. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |
| #516 - Posted 28 July 2008, 4:03 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 197 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Anthropological question: To Dominicans who have lived/travelled all thru DR- Would the following generalization be correct: SantoDomingo/San Cristobal: Higher percentage of darker-skinned, stronger amount of Afrodescendancy. El Sur: Higher percentage of mixed (mulatto/zambo/tri racial) with areas of strong Eurodescendancy (Bani & some campos) Cibao: Higher percentage of lighter skinned/stronger amount of Eurodescendancy El Este: Probably the highest percentage of darker skinned/strongest amount of Afrodescendancy. I am basing this on the amount of ethnohistory I know of, personal observation, and the popular generalization I've heard. I have not travelled/lived in Cibao or El Este. By the way, for those that don't know, the rest of the USA (outside of the tri-state area) stereotypes DR's as all being Sammy Sosa/David Ortiz types. When we don't look like that when traveling, say to Texas (like I have) they are puzzled. Yes, you have been pretty much point blank on that analysis, USADR. Specially regarding the East (a british west indian or "cocolo" stronghold). Regarding the Cibao, you forgot to mention a province that escapes the euro oriented tendency of the majority: Samaná, where the people are chiefly descended from an assorted mix of african americans, west indians and haitians. Although, on recent years, Samana's ethnic "isolation" has been broken with the establishment of some french and white gringos families in Las Terrenas. Thanks for the confirmation, so just as I suspected alot of amateur anthropologist wanna be I come across on different boards tell me they 'went to DR on vacation' and think they got a good ideal of our diveirsity when all they did was visit the resorts in the East. |
| #517 - Posted 28 July 2008, 4:29 PM | |
Location: Brazil Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1501 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Anthropological question: To Dominicans who have lived/travelled all thru DR- Would the following generalization be correct: SantoDomingo/San Cristobal: Higher percentage of darker-skinned, stronger amount of Afrodescendancy. El Sur: Higher percentage of mixed (mulatto/zambo/tri racial) with areas of strong Eurodescendancy (Bani & some campos) Cibao: Higher percentage of lighter skinned/stronger amount of Eurodescendancy El Este: Probably the highest percentage of darker skinned/strongest amount of Afrodescendancy. I am basing this on the amount of ethnohistory I know of, personal observation, and the popular generalization I've heard. I have not travelled/lived in Cibao or El Este. By the way, for those that don't know, the rest of the USA (outside of the tri-state area) stereotypes DR's as all being Sammy Sosa/David Ortiz types. When we don't look like that when traveling, say to Texas (like I have) they are puzzled. Yes, you have been pretty much point blank on that analysis, USADR. Specially regarding the East (a british west indian or "cocolo" stronghold). Regarding the Cibao, you forgot to mention a province that escapes the euro oriented tendency of the majority: Samaná, where the people are chiefly descended from an assorted mix of african americans, west indians and haitians. Although, on recent years, Samana's ethnic "isolation" has been broken with the establishment of some french and white gringos families in Las Terrenas. Thanks for the confirmation, so just as I suspected alot of amateur anthropologist wanna be I come across on different boards tell me they 'went to DR on vacation' and think they got a good ideal of our diveirsity when all they did was visit the resorts in the East. Well, you can't pretty much blame them if they haven't ventured outside Punta Cana or Bavaro's walls. Also, you have to take into account the dreadful knowledge that the common gringo or european have of our history/geography and the "one drop of blood" mentality of the gringos, and the bad press that we've been receiving recently as a country. Those are factors not to be taken lightly when dealing with that kind of people. Edited on 7/28/2008 4:29 PM by Lautaro. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |
| #518 - Posted 28 July 2008, 4:39 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 536 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Anthropological question: To Dominicans who have lived/travelled all thru DR- Would the following generalization be correct: SantoDomingo/San Cristobal: Higher percentage of darker-skinned, stronger amount of Afrodescendancy. El Sur: Higher percentage of mixed (mulatto/zambo/tri racial) with areas of strong Eurodescendancy (Bani & some campos) Cibao: Higher percentage of lighter skinned/stronger amount of Eurodescendancy El Este: Probably the highest percentage of darker skinned/strongest amount of Afrodescendancy. I am basing this on the amount of ethnohistory I know of, personal observation, and the popular generalization I've heard. I have not travelled/lived in Cibao or El Este. By the way, for those that don't know, the rest of the USA (outside of the tri-state area) stereotypes DR's as all being Sammy Sosa/David Ortiz types. When we don't look like that when traveling, say to Texas (like I have) they are puzzled. Yes, you have been pretty much point blank on that analysis, USADR. Specially regarding the East (a british west indian or "cocolo" stronghold). Regarding the Cibao, you forgot to mention a province that escapes the euro oriented tendency of the majority: Samaná, where the people are chiefly descended from an assorted mix of african americans, west indians and haitians. Although, on recent years, Samana's ethnic "isolation" has been broken with the establishment of some french and white gringos families in Las Terrenas. Thanks for the confirmation, so just as I suspected alot of amateur anthropologist wanna be I come across on different boards tell me they 'went to DR on vacation' and think they got a good ideal of our diveirsity when all they did was visit the resorts in the East. Well, you can't pretty much blame them if they haven't ventured outside Punta Cana or Bavaro's walls. Also, you have to take into account the dreadful knowledge that the common gringo or european have of our history/geography and the "one drop of blood" mentality of the gringos, and the bad press that we've been receiving recently as a country. Those are factors not to be taken lightly when dealing with that kind of people. Good one Lautaro (lol)!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| #519 - Posted 29 July 2008, 9:39 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 1124 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? "Anthropological question: To Dominicans who have lived/travelled all thru DR- Would the following generalization be correct: SantoDomingo/San Cristobal: Higher percentage of darker-skinned, stronger amount of Afrodescendancy. El Sur: Higher percentage of mixed (mulatto/zambo/tri racial) with areas of strong Eurodescendancy (Bani & some campos) Cibao: Higher percentage of lighter skinned/stronger amount of Eurodescendancy El Este: Probably the highest percentage of darker skinned/strongest amount of Afrodescendancy. I am basing this on the amount of ethnohistory I know of, personal observation, and the popular generalization I've heard. I have not travelled/lived in Cibao or El Este. By the way, for those that don't know, the rest of the USA (outside of the tri-state area) stereotypes DR's as all being Sammy Sosa/David Ortiz types. When we don't look like that when traveling, say to Texas (like I have) they are puzzled. " Pretty much on point though there are isolated communities in el Este where lightskinned individuals are fairly common, such as la Otra Band. Higuey itself has a fair amount of light-skinned Dominicans as does Hato Rey. Your forgot to mention the border regions which are probably the most African parts in DR as far as ancestry is concerned. |
| #520 - Posted 29 July 2008, 10:48 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 197 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "Anthropological question: To Dominicans who have lived/travelled all thru DR- Would the following generalization be correct: SantoDomingo/San Cristobal: Higher percentage of darker-skinned, stronger amount of Afrodescendancy. El Sur: Higher percentage of mixed (mulatto/zambo/tri racial) with areas of strong Eurodescendancy (Bani & some campos) Cibao: Higher percentage of lighter skinned/stronger amount of Eurodescendancy El Este: Probably the highest percentage of darker skinned/strongest amount of Afrodescendancy. I am basing this on the amount of ethnohistory I know of, personal observation, and the popular generalization I've heard. I have not travelled/lived in Cibao or El Este. By the way, for those that don't know, the rest of the USA (outside of the tri-state area) stereotypes DR's as all being Sammy Sosa/David Ortiz types. When we don't look like that when traveling, say to Texas (like I have) they are puzzled. " Pretty much on point though there are isolated communities in el Este where lightskinned individuals are fairly common, such as la Otra Band. Higuey itself has a fair amount of light-skinned Dominicans as does Hato Rey. Your forgot to mention the border regions which are probably the most African parts in DR as far as ancestry is concerned. Thanks for the input. For Dominicans that live in the USA, have any of you run into stereotypical generalizations from other people? I find this to usually be the case with people outside the Dominican strongholds of the tri-state area. I have a pet peeve with stereotypes because it seems the average person has a horrible sense of perception despite seeing clear evidence that will run contrary to their stereotype. I'll use Mexicans as an example. Anyone that lives in NJ/NYC will attest to the fact that it is full of Mexicans from Puebla/Tulcingo who tend to show heavy Amerindian features. They do not resemble Mexicans in telenovelas. But I won't stereotype all of Mexico as looking like that, yet when it comes to us (we're only like the 4th or 5th largest Latino group in the USA and limited to specific geographic zones) these same Mex. from California will be quick to stereotype while at the same time get angry as the stereotypes we have of them on the East Coast. It seems like Sammy Sosa & David Ortiz are the fav. poster boys for our 'look' despite them seeing very public examples that do not support that view (Charytin, Juan Luis Guerra, etc.) It's like they don't see these people or don't want to, or when cornered they'll just say these people are very rare, like a Unicorn or something in DR. |



