| #521 - Posted 29 July 2008, 11:15 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 1422 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? "For Dominicans that live in the USA, have any of you run into stereotypical generalizations from other people?" All the time my freind, all the time. I was just telling my wife yesterday a story the fits in perfectly with this discussion. A few years ago, when I was single, I struck up a conversation with a young lady, in all probability a puerto rican, in front of my old job. The convo went great, she gave me her number, but right before we seperated a few Dominicans passed by near us speaking loudly in Spanish. She turned to me and said" Ugh..I hate Dominicans. Don't you?" LOL. Needless to say I had to make her jaw drop. But my point is this: Even amongst our fellow latins there's a false percpetion as to what constitutes a Dominicans and who indeed is Dominican. “Everybody has their Jews, and for the Israelis it’s the Palestinians" - Primo Levi |
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| #522 - Posted 29 July 2008, 11:29 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1774 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "Anthropological question: To Dominicans who have lived/travelled all thru DR- Would the following generalization be correct: SantoDomingo/San Cristobal: Higher percentage of darker-skinned, stronger amount of Afrodescendancy. El Sur: Higher percentage of mixed (mulatto/zambo/tri racial) with areas of strong Eurodescendancy (Bani & some campos) Cibao: Higher percentage of lighter skinned/stronger amount of Eurodescendancy El Este: Probably the highest percentage of darker skinned/strongest amount of Afrodescendancy. I am basing this on the amount of ethnohistory I know of, personal observation, and the popular generalization I've heard. I have not travelled/lived in Cibao or El Este. By the way, for those that don't know, the rest of the USA (outside of the tri-state area) stereotypes DR's as all being Sammy Sosa/David Ortiz types. When we don't look like that when traveling, say to Texas (like I have) they are puzzled. " Pretty much on point though there are isolated communities in el Este where lightskinned individuals are fairly common, such as la Otra Band. Higuey itself has a fair amount of light-skinned Dominicans as does Hato Rey. Your forgot to mention the border regions which are probably the most African parts in DR as far as ancestry is concerned. Thanks for the input. For Dominicans that live in the USA, have any of you run into stereotypical generalizations from other people? I find this to usually be the case with people outside the Dominican strongholds of the tri-state area. I have a pet peeve with stereotypes because it seems the average person has a horrible sense of perception despite seeing clear evidence that will run contrary to their stereotype. I'll use Mexicans as an example. Anyone that lives in NJ/NYC will attest to the fact that it is full of Mexicans from Puebla/Tulcingo who tend to show heavy Amerindian features. They do not resemble Mexicans in telenovelas. But I won't stereotype all of Mexico as looking like that, yet when it comes to us (we're only like the 4th or 5th largest Latino group in the USA and limited to specific geographic zones) these same Mex. from California will be quick to stereotype while at the same time get angry as the stereotypes we have of them on the East Coast. It seems like Sammy Sosa & David Ortiz are the fav. poster boys for our 'look' despite them seeing very public examples that do not support that view (Charytin, Juan Luis Guerra, etc.) It's like they don't see these people or don't want to, or when cornered they'll just say these people are very rare, like a Unicorn or something in DR. And here I thought that Amelia Vega would have been enough of an eye-opener, as well as a jaw-dropping proof, of our diversity for those fools. Guess I was mistaken. Edited on 7/29/2008 11:34 AM by Lautaro. Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |
| #523 - Posted 29 July 2008, 11:47 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 1422 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? "And here I thought that Amelia Vega would have been enough of an eye-opener, as well as a jaw-dropping proof, of our diversity for those fools. Guess I was mistaken." It didn't help that Amelia would constantly make references to her "Galician grandmother" thereby insinuating that her looks were due to influences outside of the republic. If anything, except for her height, Amelia's look is very typical of the women in Santiago. “Everybody has their Jews, and for the Israelis it’s the Palestinians" - Primo Levi |
| #524 - Posted 29 July 2008, 12:30 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 205 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? And here I thought that Amelia Vega would have been enough of an eye-opener, as well as a jaw-dropping proof, of our diversity for those fools. Guess I was mistaken. Never underestimate the power of having a stereotype imprinted in a persons mind, I've been eyewitness to experiences just like Cibaenos'. They can see people like Charytin in Escandolo TV, Juan Luis Guerra wining a bunch of awards, Oscar De la Renta, and a host of others, it don't matter. In my office job I've been an eyewitness to people just assuming a bunch of Dominicans were something else just because they didn't fit the stereotype. What I usually do, in a subtle fashion, is engage them in a convo. mentioning what part of DR they're from just to see others reaction. On the opposite end of it, I've witnessed people thinking every spanish speaking person with strong Afrodescendancy is DR...even if the guy's Spanish accent is no where near ours. Frequently these people are from Panama, Honduras, etc. |
| #525 - Posted 2 December 2008, 3:27 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 226 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Dayummmmmmmmm.... Y'all have been busy I see. Ha ha ha ha.... Me? Had to take an adjunct position out of NYC. Kinda sucks but hey, that's what happens when you're not tenured and the economy is in the shit hole. Anyway, going back to Macoris (San Francisco) to spend Xmas on my mountain and watch the guaraguaos hunt from the marquesina overlooking my piece of the rio. Kick ass boys! It's almost an honour to read the postings of some of those whose line of reasoning is so much like mine. Lautaro, USADR...damn you if you bastards don't make me PROUD to be Dominican!!! |
| #526 - Posted 4 December 2008, 8:59 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 1774 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: muchacho previously said: Dayummmmmmmmm.... Y'all have been busy I see. Ha ha ha ha.... Me? Had to take an adjunct position out of NYC. Kinda sucks but hey, that's what happens when you're not tenured and the economy is in the shit hole. Anyway, going back to Macoris (San Francisco) to spend Xmas on my mountain and watch the guaraguaos hunt from the marquesina overlooking my piece of the rio. Kick ass boys! It's almost an honour to read the postings of some of those whose line of reasoning is so much like mine. Lautaro, USADR...damn you if you bastards don't make me PROUD to be Dominican!!! Thanks for the praise, muchacho. It's good to have you back on board, may I ask where the heck have you been all these months? Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. —The Sith Code |
| #527 - Posted 4 December 2008, 9:16 AM | |
Location: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard Join date: December 2007 Member #: 9 Posts: 10841 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: jemesouviens1804 previously said: You know what I find hypricritical USDR, is how so many Dominicans go and spew diatribes and say very, very, nasty things about Haitians and when we go out and defend ourselves, ancestors, and country, we are portrayed as being rude, playing the race cards and all sorts of stupid s***. Haitians who go to DR are only interested in one thing...And thats feeding their families. But what I hear from many of your countrymen is that we are invading, trying to make your country black, spreading diseases, taking away jobs, forcing you to learn French/Kreyol, spreading Noirism, and thats just to name a few. Instead of trying to find things that bring out the similarites between us, we've stoop down to petty insults and bringing up events that happened before any of us were born. Talk about how our flags are beautiful, how Meringue/Compas are basically the same, how the war of Restoration was won with Haitian help, how the town of Ouanaminthe was named after a Dominican woman,how theres a Dominican company helping to provide electricity/Potable water in rural Haiti. All I read on this damn website is insults after insult after insults from both Haitians and Dominicans. I don't see or hear Indians still whining about the British occupation, and Angolans are not finding a reason to s*+^ on the Portuguese every single chance they get.....Oh but not the Dominicans and Haitians. Dominicans complaining theres too much ugly Haitians in DR, and Haitians saying DR are enslaving them and forcing them to cut sugarcane... Balaguer-Trujillo this, Dessaline-Boyer that. For goodness sakes all four of these men are dead. We are nothing but a bunch of kindergardeners discussing politics. If this type of disgusting behavior continues they will never be cordial relations between the peoples and country....Its getting to a point where I'm thinking of leaving this site. Aside from Cibeano, Lautaro, Talia, AfroLatino, Jaboa, nobody post anything progressive. Then fuck off and stop whining about it ....."Its getting to a point where I'm thinking of leaving this site. Aside from Cibeano, Lautaro, Talia, AfroLatino, Jaboa, nobody post anything progressive." lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE |
| #528 - Posted 4 December 2008, 3:18 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 1422 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Goulet will do whatever it takes to get to 10, 000 posts..even revive an old argument from a poster who no longer posts! LOL... Damn, whatever did happen to jemesouviens and jabaohaitian? Are you guys out there or what? “Everybody has their Jews, and for the Israelis it’s the Palestinians" - Primo Levi |
| #529 - Posted 4 December 2008, 5:44 PM | |
Location: Canada, Toronto ,Cabbagetown,Parliament and Gerrard Join date: December 2007 Member #: 9 Posts: 10841 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Goulet will do whatever it takes to get to 10, 000 posts..even revive an old argument from a poster who no longer posts! LOL... Damn, whatever did happen to jemesouviens and jabaohaitian? Are you guys out there or what? Ciby I like your picture it reminds me of a drawing of Camille Pizarro the impressionist ...Did you know he was born and raised in St Thomas....I am glad you returned to post again you have a poets perspective on things ....you will grow out of the lefty weany stuff lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE |
| #530 - Posted 4 December 2008, 6:00 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 1422 | RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? "Ciby I like your picture it reminds me of a drawing of Camille Pizarro the impressionist ...Did you know he was born and raised in St Thomas....I am glad you returned to post again you have a poets perspective on things ....you will grow out of the lefty weany stuff " Thanx. I can't recall the name of the artist but the painting is called "El Cibaeño". “Everybody has their Jews, and for the Israelis it’s the Palestinians" - Primo Levi |