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#751 - Posted 20 July 2010, 10:58 AM
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RE: Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem?
Try to raise the bar ... oups I did it again it came out too high , but I don't take your comments in any criticism . I need to spend more quality time teaching my dog quantum physics.
Edited on 7/20/2010 10:59 AM by Mnemonic.
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#752 - Posted 20 July 2010, 11:43 AM
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OK, suit yourself, we will leave it at that
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#753 - Posted 20 July 2010, 12:12 PM
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Argue for the sake of arguing
my objective is to emphasize two points :

quote WIKI : "

* The terms multiracial and mixed-race describe people whose ancestries come from multiple races.
* Multiracial refers to a racially heterogeneous rather than a homogeneous group or population.
* Mulatto denotes a person with one white parent and one black parent, or more broadly, a person of mixed black and white ancestry.
(Obama belong to this latter category but still...) remark : no one call them white ( or blacks ) " and they are not from the 6th ,7th or 10th generations of white or black, or 300th generation of Taino but first Generation of white or Black.


Here is where the Dominican fit in my description and point of view. Generally , his grand parents are not European or white of any Caucasian ,his parents are out of the equation (not a chance,he would have being out of the country already jejjejje ). His great great grand parents maybe from somewhere , but who knows the truth, (he always has a white in the family,mother or father side or both ) hurry up claim the white side ancestors grip the proudness .Them as a final knock out he pull out the Taino card like he really has TAINO descents .( come on, what TAINO ? anybody has seen one ? Oh yeahhhhhhh right sorry ... Columbus. But why the Haitian who lived the Island as well doesn't have any Taino ancestors ?

what I see is a Homogenenity in a whole population and heterogeneity in the people mind .Take a family of 4 you surely find one or more ; so called "chino" "moreno", "white" , " black", " indio" what a damn "regero" !!! compare them respectively with such races , Tell me what do you see. I have a pic from work within figured 3 white men and a "white" Dominican phenotipically . I know a Dominican and a white when I see them , can you too see the difference ? You might want to stop and ask yourself like I asked before " who am I ? if I am such or such why is my sister or brother ( from the same parents )are darker with big lips ,big butts, large hips , round eyes and so on ...they are probably doing the same reciprocally.

The truth is out there , you education can be your greater challenge.... READ , READ ,READ you will find yourself. Betcha !! then you will live quieter with yourself .



The point here is that when in the USA and Europe mixing was against the law and it was still done but not out in the open in the Dominican Republic the Europeans were taking African wives and Tainas as wives and their offspring were accepted as mixed race offspring. We have been mixing since colonization and for centuries have continued mixing. This makes a population of mixed people which continue to mix with other mixed people as well as with other immigrants which came to the country in different times of our history. We have identified as mixed people since the first mixing started hundreds of years ago. While in the USA if you had one African parent you were considered black in the Dominican Republic if you had one African parent and another race parent you would be considered mixed race and that is the big difference the way we view race and the way people the USA view race.
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#754 - Posted 20 July 2010, 12:29 PM
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Miss Haiti 1975 is of Africans decents,she is suppose to be black that is her race.What about you?If you're not black, nor white ,what is your race?

WeHaitiano Leave Dominicans alone! You are descendant of the Kongos you're black like the Gabonese, in Africa... Dominicans are white and mixed with taino blood, few blacks. Most blacks or Kongos in D.R. are illegal Haitians and their descendants!!! Case closed!!! These are Dominicans below O.K.

Feed me i'm Haitian, and if you don't? You know what's good for you?
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#756 - Posted 20 July 2010, 12:45 PM
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Dude , where did you find your source ? You are pulling things out of your "arse ". Don't try to convince ppl with some bullshit fairy tale.

What Mnemonic is trying to say is : A fair Dominican may look white but is not white or caucasian. Don't leave ignorant remarks about things you don't know or don't understand.


WeHaitiano You are bringing shame to the house of Dessalines' Haitians are Kongo black. Dominicans are white, taino and few blacks... Get that thru you're thick Afro skull. Stop bringing shame to Haitians, we are black. I will eat Haitian mewlatto meat tonight in honor of the Kongos!!!
Feed me i'm Haitian, and if you don't? You know what's good for you?
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#757 - Posted 20 July 2010, 1:11 PM
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ooops!
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#758 - Posted 20 July 2010, 1:33 PM
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ojedamaggiolo80 previously said:

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guillermone previously said:

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spra007 previously said:

I AM HAITIAN, AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR KNOWLEGE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE HATE THAT EXIST IN THE HEART OF OUR NEIGHBORS, THE DOMINICANS. I LOVE AND APPRECIATE THE CULTURE, THE BEAUTIFUL LADIES FROM DOMINICA. TOGETHER WE CAN BE SUCH STRONG ISLAND. THERE IS OBSOLUTELY NO REASON FORM ANY PROBLEM TO EXIST BET DR AND HAITI. WE HAVE SUFFERED A GREAT DEAL AS A NATION, SIMPLY FOR GETTING OUR INDEPENDENCE FROM THE FRENCH AND FOR BEING THE FIRST BLACK NATION TO DO SO. HOWEVER, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE FROM DR WHO HATE US SO MUCH ARE NOT KNOWLEGABLE IN OUR HISTORY. I WAS AWARE AND HAVE READ ON MOST OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HAITI AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMENTS.



Spra007-From the start, you need to fully understand something and get it perfectly straight, otherwise any exchange of thoughts that you may have with me or others on this site would prove fruitless. Before we go on any further, you must and need to be very clear on this one single point. First Dominicans do not hate anybody or anyone. That attitude is not part of our persona, to the contrary we are an open, hospitable, welcoming society and very accepting of others. and second and foremost Dominicans do not hate Haitians. However and regardless of that, you will always for what ever reason, justified or not and no matter what, have a few with hate in their heart. But that is a matter of human nature and we know quite well as far as Dominicans are concerned, that is an exception and not the rule.


I agree with you Guillermone. To correct some here most Dominicans do not consider ourselves white but of mixed race which in contrary to USA views we do not acknowledge one side of our ancesters but both or in many cases all 3 races that identify our country. No one here is denying that we have black in us as I do myself but acknowledging that we are a predominantly mixed race people and as such embrace all races which today make up the Dominican Republic. In my opinion if you are half puerto rican and half Dominican you will say I am half and half and that is the way we view ourselves. We do not lean towards one or the other but acknowledge that the majority of this country is a melting pot of the African slaves brought to the island, the European colonizers, the aboriginal Taino Indians and all the other immigrants in between which make up one nationality: Dominican. With regards to the Haitians I have no problem whatsover except that we are a poor country which cannot sustain the amount of Haitian immigration entering the country and this would be the same case if Haitians were White, Asian or Australian.


Absolutely, Dominicans have one particularity that is quite unique on planet earth, we are the only true melting pot among all the nations of the world and unless you are in our shoes, it is very difficult for outsiders to fully understand who or what we are and probably the reason for so much controversy and differences of opinion about our identity.

The only other place which shares similar characteristics to us is Brazil. Though I tend to not agree wholehardedly because of their geographical size. Brazil is one big hugh land mass, which allows the oppportunity for major segments of the population to remain pure, unmixed and intact. So Brazil really does not necessarily qualify as a melting pot of cultures and races like the DR. To me Brazil is made up of a lot of many small countries (states) within one big whole and because of that large segments have been able to isolate themselves away from the general mainstream Brazilian population and has avoided racial and cultural fusion. Something very difficult to almost impossible to achieve in the Dominican Republic.

Eventhough the DR has a big, clearly distinctive mulato population, many forget and neglect to mention that the largest segments of the Dominican population is a group of people who are simply unable to clearly narrow themselves down to one specific racial category. It almost next to impossible to determine exactly because of the constant mixing over the years. They are probably the only one single group of people that can actually check-off "other" as racial identity. This is a phenomena that is strictly found only to the extent as it is in the Dominican Republic and no place else.
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#759 - Posted 20 July 2010, 1:55 PM
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TO ojedamaggiolo80 :
Dude , where did you find your source ? You are pulling things out of your "arse ". Don't try to convince ppl with some bullshit fairy tale.

What Mnemonic is trying to say is : A fair Dominican may look white but is not white or caucasian. Don't leave ignorant remarks about things you don't know or don't understand.




I got it out of History books, Encyclopedias etc etc and you do not have to believe but look up the information yourself and you will see for yourself. I agree I am fair skin and I am not white and never said I was, I am a mulatto and very proud of it. No need for inmature name calling nor obscene language, have a discussion and respect each others opinion. The only thing I am pointing out here is that we embrace our mixture, we are obviously not pure African nor pure Euorpean nor pure Taino but a mixture of all and we embrace our mixed race thats all. I never said a fair skin Dominican was white so your comment is going a little over board.
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#760 - Posted 20 July 2010, 11:20 PM
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Why is this forum still continuing? Ooh thats so raven is on bie god bless!
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