Dominicans and Haitians, what is the problem? - Santo Domingo

#72 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:05 AM
JabaoHaitian Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 703	RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "If you are so spanish how come majority of dominicans can't request for spanish citizenship like others in latin america." I don't think that the gentleman was saying that he is spanish or even that he wants to be spanish, he is merely stating a fact, namely that most Dominicans carry spanish blood in their veins, just as most Dominicans carry African blood in their veins. Why should that even be a point of contention? Wether it means anything to the Spaniards or anybody else I think is really beside the point. It doesn't change the reality of the situation. On a side note to hell with the present-day Spaniard. All the real men left Spain a long time ago to colonize the new world and all that's left in Spain proper are the descendants of the Castilianized peasants who lacked the balls to make the oversea journey and the tiny minority that had no need to in the first place. That's my story and I'm sticking to it Cibaeno75, I beg to differ I tend to see an enamorado of the spaniards as if they were treating dominicans as equals. Like I said many haitians have french blood too. This is not take the actual fact that the majority of dominicans are of mixed ancestry. I prefer not to get into slicing loaf a bread. I respect how everyone view themselves. We too have haitians that have this love affair with the french. Actually this enamorad is practice in all countries that were colonised. Let's not get into what dominicans think they are or things of that nature. It isnt going to resolve anything. More power to everyones views. Alot I have a great great great spanish french german jews going around when the truth is I see two platano lovers. Im very honest and can't become Politically correct. I think the both of them need to do some soul searching.

RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

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cibaeño75 previously said:

"If you are so spanish how come majority of dominicans can't request for spanish citizenship like others in latin america."

I don't think that the gentleman was saying that he is spanish or even that he wants to be spanish, he is merely stating a fact, namely that most Dominicans carry spanish blood in their veins, just as most Dominicans carry African blood in their veins. Why should that even be a point of contention? Wether it means anything to the Spaniards or anybody else I think is really beside the point. It doesn't change the reality of the situation.

On a side note to hell with the present-day Spaniard. All the real men left Spain a long time ago to colonize the new world and all that's left in Spain proper are the descendants of the Castilianized peasants who lacked the balls to make the oversea journey and the tiny minority that had no need to make the journey in the first place. That's my story and I'm sticking to it

cibaeño...

My father used to say:

"Nosotros somos descendientes de criminales, piratas, chopas, putas, robalagallinas, canallas, ladrones, y agitadores politicos...en hecho...de la lacra mas sucia que salio de España."

Frankly, he wasn't far from the truth. Spain had a policy of sending criminals and "undesirables" such as gypsies and Jews to the colonies. This wasn't exlcusive to the Spanish Empire. The British founded Georgia as a penal colony for convincts. When the U.S. became independent from Britain, they used Australia as their main penal colony.

#71 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:02 AM
muchacho Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 225	RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: On another note in the dominican constitution abides by jus solis thus illegal haitians that give birth on dominican soil are dominicans although the "transition" have been manipulated to deny dominican of haitian descent dominican papers. I personally think that this will come to bite the dominican government in the behind for now the children of illegal haitians have to sign the pink book. This is basically targeted towards haitians only and discriminate against dominicans that haitain descendant and dark skin dominicans that don't have papers they have to go under more scrutiny unlike the lighter shade dominicans without documents. Hey, dominican government has made the decision and one has to live with it although this well be a major problem in the future. Personally neither one of you have know idea about french politics and immigration laws. So I am not even going to waste my time entertaining something with people who are wiki scholars. You student at Sorbonne..right...........I though you are arab descent make up your mind..Hispanola..you are pushing it to..u guys really need to do some soul searching and look at your damn passport to find out who you really are.. Haitians cannot have it both ways. You can't break the laws of a country by entering and staying illegally and then turn around demand that the country be held accountable to laws of citizenship for your children.

#73 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:11 AM
muchacho Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 225	RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "Personally neither one of you have know idea about french politics and immigration laws." Who was that directed at? I believe it was directed at me. Mais, mon ami, il oubli que mon grandpere a ete algerien, et que j'ai etudie a l'universite americain de la sorbonne. Malgre les cours tous sont donne en anglais, ca ne me prevenu pas de parler francais avec le peuple francais.

#74 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:11 AM
JabaoHaitian Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 703	RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "Personally neither one of you have know idea about french politics and immigration laws." Who was that directed at? It was directed at the two wiki scholars. I lot wannabe's on this forum. This dialogue isn't getting anywhere alot B.S. scholars and I am not talking about Bachelors of Science. I will end this here since it is about who is the wisest wiki. I dont want to waste my time..I have another thread I am going to start base on one of your comments the other day..later..hope to hear ur opinion..

#75 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:11 AM
cibaeño75 Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 1062	RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? "I think the both of them need to do some soul searching." But who are you referring to? You can't be implying that I have a strange addiction to things spanish. I can care less about spain, her people, or her institutions (the andalusians are very freindly, though)

#76 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:18 AM
muchacho Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 225	RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "If you are so spanish how come majority of dominicans can't request for spanish citizenship like others in latin america." I don't think that the gentleman was saying that he is spanish or even that he wants to be spanish, he is merely stating a fact, namely that most Dominicans carry spanish blood in their veins, just as most Dominicans carry African blood in their veins. Why should that even be a point of contention? Wether it means anything to the Spaniards or anybody else I think is really beside the point. It doesn't change the reality of the situation. On a side note to hell with the present-day Spaniard. All the real men left Spain a long time ago to colonize the new world and all that's left in Spain proper are the descendants of the Castilianized peasants who lacked the balls to make the oversea journey and the tiny minority that had no need to make the journey in the first place. That's my story and I'm sticking to it cibaeño... My father used to say: "Nosotros somos descendientes de criminales, piratas, chopas, putas, robalagallinas, canallas, ladrones, y agitadores politicos...en hecho...de la lacra mas sucia que salio de España." Frankly, he wasn't far from the truth. Spain had a policy of sending criminals and "undesirables" such as gypsies and Jews to the colonies. This wasn't exlcusive to the Spanish Empire. The British founded Georgia as a penal colony for convincts. When the U.S. became independent from Britain, they used Australia as their main penal colony.

#77 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:20 AM
muchacho Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 225	RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: the andalusians are very freindly, though And they form the bulk of our ancestors. Most of the people who left Spain for the Caribbean and the Cono Sur were Andalusians.

#78 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:20 AM
JabaoHaitian Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 703	RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Cibaeno, Im talking about (muchacho & hispanolasoy). I know you can careless about the spaniards. I figured your character out a while ago. You are comfortable in yourself. The line in french clearly proves that someone is a phony. Stop using translators please my friend. It's obvious by the way..remember you are talking to actual native french speakers. Dios mio the length people to prove they are wiki scholars.. Cibaeno please stop posting Im out of here...it is going to heat the fan..and I dont want to take part....po'ta bien..............

#79 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:21 AM
muchacho Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 225	RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "Personally neither one of you have know idea about french politics and immigration laws." Who was that directed at? It was directed at the two wiki scholars. I lot wannabe's on this forum. This dialogue isn't getting anywhere alot B.S. scholars and I am not talking about Bachelors of Science. I will end this here since it is about who is the wisest wiki. I dont want to waste my time..I have another thread I am going to start base on one of your comments the other day..later..hope to hear ur opinion.. I just find it amazing that Haitians need to jump on a Dominican site to plead their case. It really is a classic case of preaching to the wrong choir. I also find it amazing that when questions are answered with "incovenient truths", accusations of all kinds are flung. That's just not very intelligent. I do notice that the "assumption" he made on Spain's citizenship laws was never addressed after I gave him a synopsis of a convo between me and a friend on another forum where we were exploring E.U. immigration policies directed at Eastern Europeans. But I figured as much. Edited on 4/22/2008 11:26 AM by muchacho.

#80 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:26 AM
cibaeño75 Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 1062	RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? "Frankly, he wasn't far from the truth. Spain had a policy of sending criminals and "undesirables" such as gypsies and Jews to the colonies. This wasn't exlcusive to the Spanish Empire. The British founded Georgia as a penal colony for convincts. When the U.S. became independent from Britain, they used Australia as their main penal colony." To some extent you are correct, all those undesirables were dumped in the new world. I'm from the cibao. The majority of my spanish ancestors were impoverished canary islanders. I doubt that there were many criminals in the wave of immigrants that came from the canary islands during the 17th and 18th century seeing as how the bulk of them came in family units.

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