| #81 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:29 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 225 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "Frankly, he wasn't far from the truth. Spain had a policy of sending criminals and "undesirables" such as gypsies and Jews to the colonies. This wasn't exlcusive to the Spanish Empire. The British founded Georgia as a penal colony for convincts. When the U.S. became independent from Britain, they used Australia as their main penal colony." To some extent you are correct, all those undesirables were dumped in the new world. I'm from the cibao. The majority of my spanish ancestors were impoverished canary islanders. I doubt that there were many criminals in the wave of immigrants that came from the canary islands during the 17th and 18th century seeing as how the bulk of them came in family units. No. The "Isleños" from the Canaries were one exception. They left to escape grinding poverty on their islands. |
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| #82 - Posted 22 April 2008, 11:42 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 225 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: Cibaeno, Im talking about (muchacho & hispanolasoy). I know you can careless about the spaniards. I figured your character out a while ago. You are comfortable in yourself. The line in french clearly proves that someone is a phony. Stop using translators please my friend. It's obvious by the way..remember you are talking to actual native french speakers. Dios mio the length people to prove they are wiki scholars.. Cibaeno please stop posting Im out of here...it is going to heat the fan..and I dont want to take part....po'ta bien.............. And I find this particularly offensive since he has no clue. No clue about my upbriging. No clue about my education. No clue about my academic endeavors. And no clue about the work that I do. Et "wiki scholar"? Pas de tout. Je suis le fils de ma mere. Elle a ete la fille d'un algerien qui a emigre a Curacao et apres ca a la Republique Dominicaine. Tout le francais que j'ai aprennu je le sais grace a ma mere qui me parle en francais depuis tres jeune. Oui, je suis completement conscient que je parle pas perfectement. Mais je parles assez francais pour me faire comprennu surtout si on considere que je n'etudiais francais jamais. Je doute que les traduceurs en ligne peut traduire avec tout la complexite grammatique que j'utilize. Ca sera formidable s'il fut vrai. Edited on 4/22/2008 12:14 PM by muchacho. |
| #83 - Posted 22 April 2008, 12:13 PM | |
Location: United States, Smyrna, GA Join date: February 2008 Member #: 374 Posts: 522 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? ON MY MOTHER SIDE: Here is the story of my originality. My Great Grand Mother Lorencia Dartiguenave, believe it or not, was born in La Romana, Republica Dominicana of a naturally born Dominican Mother from San Pedro De Marcoris and of an Affranchie Father Jacques Dartiguenave. (AFFRANCHIE: Born free mixed child of a French master and African or Haitian slave). So my Great Grand Mother had a Daughter named Angelita Jiminez because she married a Dominican Braceros Guard Emanuel Jiminez. and had my Grand mother. Funny enough, my Grand Mother Angelita Jiminez was born in Moca, Republica Dominicana she used to go with her father on the Sugar Cane Cutting plantation because they had small colonized like towns there for the Haitians who were not allowed to leave the sugar cane areas. She met a Haitian Cane cutter Joseph Valmir (Although I found out, the original name was Valmyr. a name mostly to be found in Cap-Haitian or Hinche areas) and because of the impregnation he was allowed to leave the sugar cane plantation and they had my mother Lorencia Valmir (Which she later changed into Lorance) who was born in Puerto Plata but raised all her life in Hinche. My grand father, grand mother and mother moved to Haiti and lived in Hinche were some of my grand father's family resided ever since they too left Cap-Haitien. My mother later went to Puerto Plata where she met my father ON MY FATHER SIDE: The story is somewhat different since I have not had much of my father's family telling much about the history. However one thing they always make sure we get firmly is that they are from, as far as ancestry is concern, Syria and Israel. Indeed Arabs, nonetheless. My father's Grand Father or perhaps great grand father was a Holocaust survivor who walked from Germany, then Poland into France I was told. After World War II when some of the Jews were being patriated most of them were given asylum in both Haiti and the Dominican Republic were some of them I was told lived in Sosua, Republica Dominicana and in Jeremie, Republique D'Haiti the Southern part of the Island and later moved around into the nearby capital of Port-Au-Prince. However, I was always told by them also that they believe their families have been in the Caribbean since a long time ago dated back to Christopher Columbus going into Hispaniola, now both Haiti and Dominican Republic. My father himself was born in Haiti, but he met my mother in Puerto Plata or nearby Sosua where he said his family have businesses there. Mostly in Hotels, Film or Art, Port Coastal Shipping and in Haiti, my family owns the only Rosenthal Liquor store I was told among other businesses. Most of my father's family left Haiti 20 - 30 years ago due to political persecutions and fear. My father himself left for France since he was in the Shipping business as well as he is an Architect . He resided in France and started another family. My father speak fluent French, Creole, Spanish, German, Danish, Italian and Russian except English, but has a great comprehension of it and can write it well. What can I say, the bastard thinks he is a genius. You will find these names such as ROSEMBERG, ROSEMBERT, ROSENBERG, ROSENTHAL OR ROSEN all over the Island and even the BECKMANN or ZUCKERMAN I was told. Edited on 4/22/2008 12:32 PM by HispanolanoYoSoy. Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" HispanolanoYoSoy Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |
| #84 - Posted 22 April 2008, 12:15 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 225 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Ah...you should have clarified. Germans are not Austrians. They speak german, but they were also invaded by the Nazis. Now it makes perfect sense. The Austrians were the only people that had advance warning that the Germans were taking over. This was due to the fact that the 1. Hitler was originally an Austrian and 2. the Nazi policy toward Austria was that it was part of Germany anyway. Edited on 4/22/2008 12:17 PM by muchacho. |
| #85 - Posted 22 April 2008, 12:26 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom Join date: December 2007 Member #: 8 Posts: 378 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Mr. Jabao, I think you and Muchacho, are both making some great points. While Mr. Muchacho, looks at the social differences of the caste systems of the French and Spanish during colonial times and how those correlate with modern Haitians and Dominican social perceptions of each other. U look at the romanticism that is prevalent among some Dominicans and everything Spanish(and everything white for that matter). Now Mr. Muchacho, even by your comments you allude to the “house slave” mentality that exists in the Dr, because it doesn’t matter what were the Spanish plantations conditions, and social attitudes towards their slaves and the integration practices towards the freedmen of color; because at the of the day the were still slaves and second class citizens. Now Mr. Jabao, I would agree with you that their’s certain sectors of Dominican society that romanticize the Spain as the “mother country”(never did s*** for us that wasnt motivated by their on greed) and other babble that I don’t care to repeat. With all that said, Mr. Jabao,In my opinion, we can’t never truly hate the Spanish(while I can try very hard at it) just as we can’t never truly hate(some Dominicans try)people of color. Because at the end of the day they are all an integral parts of what makes a Dominican. Some people fail to grasp that, but with time, patience and education maybe we can change that. P.S Muchacho, as soon as you posted that, wiki link; I knew It was just a matter of time lol. Intelligence organizes the world by organizing itself, Jean Piaget |
| #86 - Posted 22 April 2008, 12:31 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Ok I dont want to sound mean but this adventures of pirates and ship wreckage stories are interesting but starting to get boring. Hispanolasoy you need to stop it please. I am not denying your story but it is clearly that you are haitian. What passport do you hold or where were you born? Et Garçon good for you. Keep practising your french. You studied where again. No disrespect to neither one of you but c'mon. You guys really need to hook up and write a fictional book based on hispaniola and the quest to find who I am? publish it on wiki .com Can we keep our bio resumes in the archive folders and discuss the topic. Damn I knew I should've said anything..See |
| #87 - Posted 22 April 2008, 12:37 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom Join date: December 2007 Member #: 8 Posts: 378 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: Ok I dont want to sound mean but this adventures of pirates and ship wreckage stories are interesting but starting to get boring. Hispanolasoy you need to stop it please. I am not denying your story but it is clearly that you are haitian. What passport do you hold or where were you born? Et Garçon good for you. Keep practising your french. You studied where again. No disrespect to neither one of you but c'mon. You guys really need to hook up and write a fictional book based on hispaniola and the quest to find who I am? publish it on wiki .com Can we keep our bio resumes in the archive folders and discuss the topic. Damn I knew I should've said anything..See Hahahahah lol Intelligence organizes the world by organizing itself, Jean Piaget |
| #88 - Posted 22 April 2008, 12:40 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Quote: FranktheTank previously said: Mr. Jabao, I think you and Muchacho, are both making some great points. While Mr. Muchacho, looks at the social differences of the caste systems of the French and Spanish during colonial times and how those correlate with modern Haitians and Dominican social perceptions of each other. U look at the romanticism that is prevalent among some Dominicans and everything Spanish(and everything white for that matter). Now Mr. Muchacho, even by your comments you allude to the “house slave” mentality that exists in the Dr, because it doesn’t matter what were the Spanish plantations conditions, and social attitudes towards their slaves and the integration practices towards the freedmen of color; because at the of the day the were still slaves and second class citizens. Now Mr. Jabao, I would agree with you that their’s certain sectors of Dominican society that romanticize the Spain as the “mother country”(never did s*** for us that wasnt motivated by their on greed) and other babble that I don’t care to repeat. With all that said, Mr. Jabao,In my opinion, we can’t never truly hate the Spanish(while I can try very hard at it) just as we can’t never truly hate(some Dominicans try)people of color. Because at the end of the day they are all an integral parts of what makes a Dominican. Some people fail to grasp that, but with time, patience and education maybe we can change that. P.S Muchacho, as soon as you posted that, wiki link; I knew It was just a matter of time lol. Frank the Tank, thanks for bringing this thread back on course it was about to crash of the coast of hispanola. I agree with you 110% and would like to clarify that it isn't healthy to hold a grudge against the spaniards nor should haitians hold a grudge against the french. It would be senseless and not productive. We can't change the past and no matter what it is part of Haiti although we are far from being french just as dominicans are far from being spaniards. Yes alot of patience and education things will surely but slowly change. Wiki scholar was actually token by you.lol...I wonder if the tuition for a PHD are decent...LOL..Wiki U has a brochure that i can inquire about admission? This question are for the to alumnis of Wiki U. |
| #89 - Posted 22 April 2008, 12:40 PM | |
Location: Zimbabwe Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 1064 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? hispanolano is out of control. The guy was trying to accuse me of being a hispanophile, being in cahoots with rubirosa, and God knows what else...lol |
| #90 - Posted 22 April 2008, 12:50 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom Join date: December 2007 Member #: 8 Posts: 378 | RE: DOMINICANS AND HAITIANS, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? .....are they making up words now.. Edited on 4/24/2008 5:16 AM by FranktheTank. Intelligence organizes the world by organizing itself, Jean Piaget |