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#51 - Posted 22 April 2008, 1:01 PM
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Cibaeno75,

I think Jemesouviens have answered the question. So you're desecendent from Hinche. There are alot of dominican descendants there and they still speak spanish pure dominicanism as if they lived in the DR. My actual domestic employee is from there and according to her she is half dominican. All of them over have some domincan mixture. She's illegal in the DR and I remember a long time ago offered to pay for her residency. She told me to give her the money instead since she needs it more than being legal. Her comment was "i am light skin and speak spanish pure dominican which I have dominican blood. The guards will never bother me." It has been years and she always goes home to hinche, haiti which she refer to "el campo". She has never had problems crossing the border. I know she takes a guagua to Elias Pina and cross on foot then takes a moto Hinche. Her kids all speak spanish and barely know creole..I had to tell her she must teach her child kreyol since he isn't dominican on paper and might get deported some day. Dude don't waste your time. Hinche is hard to get to since the roads are not paved and nothing to do. Although the natural beauty and seeing haitians of dominican descent and even hatiains haitans speaking spanish..And you guys think we're invading..LOL..DR has infiltrated haiti a long time ago..hope you have a good sense of humour..Go to Au Cap..they just built the road and easy access from Dajabon..Jacmel is another place to venture off..but a beautiful anacaona haitian princess might hit you with some voudou love..and you might never want to leave..
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#52 - Posted 22 April 2008, 1:05 PM
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Cibeano....I found an interesting website that I think you might like........ http://www.photochris.com/haiti_IIeng.htm
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#53 - Posted 22 April 2008, 1:09 PM
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Thanx...I've actually been to that page before but it didn't hurt to revisit
#54 - Posted 22 April 2008, 2:53 PM
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Hinche is a rural countryside (or campesino as it would be known in the DR) town in east central Haiti with a population of approximately 50,000 inhabitants. As you all mentioned, there is a small yet considerable number of Dominico-Haitians and Dominican-derived community due to the history regarding the two countries. It was the hometown of the Haitian liberation rebel leader Charlemagne Peralte (who was of Dominican descent ironically). Because of the proximity to the DR and the history it is not uncommon to hear Spanish (and even Kreyol mixed in with Spanish) being spoken. But because it is a Haitian town, Kreyol and French are still official languages and therefore Spanish is not spoken by many people. It is very underdeveloped so there really isn't much to do there or anything especially interesting besides visiting the cathedral.
Edited on 4/22/2008 2:54 PM by HAYkickyouintheSHIN.
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"It is very underdeveloped so there really isn't much to do there or anything especially interesting besides visiting the cathedral."

That's precisley what I want to do. I want to take a gander at the parrochial records being held there.
#56 - Posted 22 April 2008, 3:13 PM
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The Polish were sent to Haiti (then Saint-Domingue) as mercenaries for the Napoleonic brigade to suppress the Haitian revolutionaries. Many defected to the Haitian cause for reasons unknown. Some say it was due to their realization of the brutality the French exhibited upon the blacks, or their realization that the Haitian blacks were truly a people fighting for their liberty against the French oppression. Although Dessalines had killed thousands of Polish (thinking them to be French or intent on killing the blacks), some had survived (near 500) as it is said he later acknowledged that the Polish were not French and therefore didn't categorize them into the "European brute" classification. Several hundred are reported to have become citizens in the newly independent Haiti. Cazale, Fonds des Blancs, St. Jean de Sud and etc. are several communities were Haitians of Polish descent reportedly reside. Key facts which are a testament to this is the fact that some locals there have Polish surnames and are light-skinned mulattos (from the intermarrying of Polish with Afro-Haitians). In the 70s and 80s there were many fair-skinned white Haitians that labelled themselves as Polish-Haitians. Many of them left the country because of the poverty and internal conflict. The few that are left most likely have completely assimilated and some probably cannot even be distinguished from any regular Haitian.
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It's all so silly when one take a look back at it all. As I understand things, the only thing that dominicans and haitians have been doing is ruining the chance of making a potentially better alliance between themselves than the humilliating ones that they have with other countries (specially the US).


Recognition Denied: The Betrayal at Panama.
http://www.haiti-usa.org/index.php
Go Under The Content of: An Historical Look at Haiti-U.S. Relationships.
However one may read all the other posts if so wishes to.

Edited on 4/23/2008 3:17 AM by HispanolanoYoSoy.
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#58 - Posted 16 June 2008, 7:23 PM
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Jemesouviens brings up something interesting that is rarely discussed but that I have seen first hand. Here, I've seen other blacks look down on haitians and make derrogatory comments about them. I've heard such talk from African Americans, Jamaicans, Bajans, etc..just out of curiousity why do you think that is Jabao or Jemesouviens?


Correct. Haitian themselves can verify this, also other West Indians. I just find that DR receives the lions share of spreading negative Haitian stereotypes, but other West Indians have told me and I've also seen it in real life. By the way, I live in the Northern NJ area, so many areas where there are populations of Haitians & other West Indians.
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Cibaeno75,

I think Jemesouviens have answered the question. So you're desecendent from Hinche. There are alot of dominican descendants there and they still speak spanish pure dominicanism as if they lived in the DR. My actual domestic employee is from there and according to her she is half dominican. All of them over have some domincan mixture. She's illegal in the DR and I remember a long time ago offered to pay for her residency. She told me to give her the money instead since she needs it more than being legal. Her comment was "i am light skin and speak spanish pure dominican which I have dominican blood. The guards will never bother me." It has been years and she always goes home to hinche, haiti which she refer to "el campo". She has never had problems crossing the border. I know she takes a guagua to Elias Pina and cross on foot then takes a moto Hinche. Her kids all speak spanish and barely know creole..I had to tell her she must teach her child kreyol since he isn't dominican on paper and might get deported some day. Dude don't waste your time. Hinche is hard to get to since the roads are not paved and nothing to do. Although the natural beauty and seeing haitians of dominican descent and even hatiains haitans speaking spanish..And you guys think we're invading..LOL..DR has infiltrated haiti a long time ago..hope you have a good sense of humour..Go to Au Cap..they just built the road and easy access from Dajabon..Jacmel is another place to venture off..but a beautiful anacaona haitian princess might hit you with some voudou love..and you might never want to leave..



Jabao,

I do not know nor will I ever do know what your prejudice toward Hinche is; but I am not going to ask you to tell me. However, your assessment is wrong about Hinche in many areas and I will also go to the length to say some areas are somewhat not wrong.


First of all, Hinche is a provencial area of Haiti and has its own beauty. Much like you have Sosua and Puerto Plata are provinces in DR. The infrastructure there in Hinche is not City like, congested and dirty and damaged like that of Port-Au-Prince that is for sure.


When was the last time you ever saw Port-Au-Prince this clean like Hinche is?

You know very little of and about Hinche, but I am not going to get into a testicular contest with you as to who is or must be right or wrong. Here some pitures of the farming Country side of Hinche





Even the farmers there in Hinche make residents of Port-Au-Prince look miserable because in Hinche even the farmers have better hygienic behaviors than the locals of Port-Au-Prince. Hinche is where great Artist like Sidon Joseph, Herold Christophe and more resides in as Hinche is where Haiti most largest second former Haiti Armed forces used to go trained and stationed. Here is a basic plan of only and simply a University in the Central Down Town of Hinche



Also if someone do not know what Charlemagne Peralte stood for in Haiti for Haiti, please do not use his name in vain.

For he is my Grandfather's Cousin and my cousin's great grant father thus indeed he is my family as well as my Grandfather is related to one of Haiti's early presidents Dartiguenave.

For all I know, if anyone is looking to have a peaceful vacation in a very friendly inviting place where the girls are almost like the beautiful Morenas you will find in DR, you best go to Hinche or almost any other provincial areas before ever thinking about going to Port-Au-Prince. If any of you have been to Cabaret or Navarete, DR Hinche gives you almost the same atmosphere but you know the place is in Haiti you figure it is not top notch and well maintained as it should but the area is still green and most of Haiti's natural production comes from there especially milk, mango and by the way Hince is a subdivision province of Mirbalais in Cenrtral Haiti and in the Central of Haiti is where you will find Peligre (HydroElectro dam), central Haiti is where the Country's natural rice is from and the water both Haiti and DR drink Riviere De L'Artibonite.

I have been to Hinche on many volunteered missionary visits and we always never encounter much hardship to really do report like other cities and towns in Haiti that many of us in the groups have come to accept that is just how the lifestyle of living is over there, peaceful and serene, clean and people there do not walk in the streets with dirty clothes like they do in most slums of Port-Au-Prince.


One thing you are right about is that most of the habitants on Hinche are descendants or related to some kind of Domincan background. The small province of Hinche's Pignon has the best hospital that people from all over Haiti goes to for best quality affordable treatment. Do not get me started on giving you more details about Hinche and I have not even gotten to the History of the town yet, but I am a simple basic wiki may do the trick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinche. My mother was looking for a place to reside in when she left DR and Hinche she said was the closest best place she could find and next is Cap-Haitian... then in the south you have Jacmel which is where most of my father's family also have businesses there. Ever been?
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JabaoHaitian previously said:

Cibaeno75,

I think Jemesouviens have answered the question. So you're desecendent from Hinche. There are alot of dominican descendants there and they still speak spanish pure dominicanism as if they lived in the DR. My actual domestic employee is from there and according to her she is half dominican. All of them over have some domincan mixture. She's illegal in the DR and I remember a long time ago offered to pay for her residency. She told me to give her the money instead since she needs it more than being legal. Her comment was "i am light skin and speak spanish pure dominican which I have dominican blood. The guards will never bother me." It has been years and she always goes home to hinche, haiti which she refer to "el campo". She has never had problems crossing the border. I know she takes a guagua to Elias Pina and cross on foot then takes a moto Hinche. Her kids all speak spanish and barely know creole..I had to tell her she must teach her child kreyol since he isn't dominican on paper and might get deported some day. Dude don't waste your time. Hinche is hard to get to since the roads are not paved and nothing to do. Although the natural beauty and seeing haitians of dominican descent and even hatiains haitans speaking spanish..And you guys think we're invading..LOL..DR has infiltrated haiti a long time ago..hope you have a good sense of humour..Go to Au Cap..they just built the road and easy access from Dajabon..Jacmel is another place to venture off..but a beautiful anacaona haitian princess might hit you with some voudou love..and you might never want to leave..



Jabao,

I do not know nor will I ever do know what your prejudice toward Hinche is; but I am not going to ask you to tell me. However, your assessment is wrong about Hinche in many areas and I will also go to the length to say some areas are somewhat not wrong.

First of all, Hinche is a provencial area of Haiti and has its own beauty. Much like you have Sosua and Puerto Plata are provinces in DR. The infrastructure there in Hinche is not City like, congested and dirty and damaged like that of Port-Au-Prince that is for sure. You know very little of and about Hinche, but I am not going to get into a testicular contest with you as to who is or must be right or wrong. Here some pitures of the farming Country side of Hinche and and Even the farmers there in Hinche make residents of Port-Au-Prince look miserable because in Hinche even the farmers have better hygenic behaviors than the locals of Port-Au-Prince. Hincheis where great Artist like Sidon Joseph, Herold Christophe and more resides in as Hinche is where Haiti most largest second former Haiti Armed forces used to go trained and stationed. Here is a basic plan of only and simply a University in the Central Down Town of Hince

Also if someone do not know what Charlemagne Peralte stood for in Haiti for Haiti, please do not use his name in vain. For he is my Grandfather's Cousin and my cousin's great grant father thus indeed he is my family as well as my Grandfather is related to one of Haiti's early presidents Dartiguenave.

For all I know, if anyone is looking to have a peaceful vacation in a very friendly inviting place where the girls are almost like the beautiful Morenas you will find in DR, you best go to Hinche or almost any other provincial areas before ever thinking about going to Port-Au-Prince. If any of you have been to Cabaret or Navarete, DR Hinche gives you almost the same atmosphere but you know the place is in Haiti you figure it is not top notch and well maintained as it should but the area is still green and most of Haiti's natural production comes from there especially milk, mango and by the way Hince is a subdivision province of Mirbalais in Cenrtral Haiti and in the Central of Haiti is where you will find Peligre (HydroElectro dam), central Haiti is where the Country's natural rice is from and the water both Haiti and DR drink Riviere De L'Artibonite.

I have been to Hinche on many volunteered missionary visits and we always never encounter much hardship to really do report like other cities and towns in Haiti that many of us in the groups have come to accept that is just how the lifestyle of living is over there, peaceful and serene, clean and people there do not walk in the streets with dirty clothes like they do in most slums of Port-Au-Prince.
One thing you are right about is that most of the habitants on Hinche are descendants or related to some kind of Domincan background. The small province of Hinche's Pignon has the best hospital that people from all over Haiti goes to for best quality affordable treatment. Do not get me started on giving you more details about Hinche and I have not even gotten to the History of the town yet. My mother was looking for a place to reside in when she left DR and Hinche she said was the closest best place she could find and next is Cap-Haitian... then in the south you have Jacmel which is where most of my father's family also have businesses there. Ever been?


Thanks for the enlightening and informative post Chief. I am assuming through your comments that you are a Hinchois or have family in Hinche. Great pics. I've never been to Hinche but I heard that the cathedral is a delight to visit and the feel one gets from going there is the perfect expression of what is considered to be a rural countryside town; tranquil atmosphere and friendly people. And by the way I just had to note the pride I have in Charlemagne Peralte's brave struggle in the resistance of American occupation. His call to arms and leadership of the Cacos helped solidify Haitian nationalism in an era where it was really needed.