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So now the Olympics are not the terrain?

As I've stated Dready, Jamaica has done an incredible job of concentrating effort and resources in the pursuit of excellence in Athletics or Track and Field. They have produced a one of a kind Supreme talent in Bolt, and had exceptional results IN ONE DISCIPLINE OF COMPETITION in the 2008 Olympic Games.

But to be considered a Sports Power the country must have Prowess in more than ONE DISCIPLINE

The same would hold if Cuba's metal count ONLY CAME VIA BOXING Then I would have to agree that her status was a ONE TRICK PONY, TOO

But Cuba has demonstrated beyond one mere Olympics competition that her Sports program is comprehensive and competitive beyond one sport discipline. I see no reasonable and intellectually sound refutation coming from your side concerning this fact.

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BACK TO THE THREAD'S ORIGINAL FOCUS:



In 1979, I missed the first blatant drug deal (gone bad) gun battle by Cocaine Cowboys, when I visited the Dadeland Mall at lunchtime; That afternoon when I watched the Evening News I saw a report about the shootout that occurred that afternoon. I was there earlier that day!

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The mall attained notoriety as the site of a 1979 drug-related shooting spree during Miami's "cocaine cowboy" era. In broad daylight, two gunmen exited a paneled truck, entered a liquor store and gunned down two men, wounding the store clerk. The dead men were eventually identified as a Colombia-based cocaine trafficker and his bodyguard.
"Miami". Underworld Histories. History Television. March 15, 2011.
http://www.history.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?titleid=105411
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_Television




I still remember the hit van left behind full of automatic weapons in the middle of the Mall parking lot...facing Dixie Highway!


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pardon the interruption, Guarocuya, but i must ask Atabey, once again, to explain just how he characterizes Jamaica as a one trick pony sports power, when i just gave him a list of the world champions it has had in boxing. typical of him, he ignores the facts which are inconvenient, and stays the course in his nonsense. besides, Jamaica is a formidable force in cricket, and has been to the soccer World Cup. so, how does Atabey arrive at his conclusions, except by delusion?
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pardon the interruption, Guarocuya, but i must ask Atabey, once again, to explain just how he characterizes Jamaica as a one trick pony sports power, when i just gave him a list of the world champions it has had in boxing. typical of him, he ignores the facts which are inconvenient, and stays the course in his nonsense. besides, Jamaica is a formidable force in cricket, and has been to the soccer World Cup. so, how does Atabey arrive at his conclusions, except by delusion?



We were discussing The Olympics and you used the Olympics as cover for Jamaica's prowess as a Sports power My statement stands: Cuba has demonstrated a Comprehensive competitive output in the Olympic Games. She has won over 190 metals! in a dozen or so DIFFERENT SPORTS
Jamaica has won but one measly metal, outside of her specialty sport: Athletics or Track and Field. Jamaica is a one trick pony when it comes to the Olympic Games.

Case closed.




Guarocuya,

Excuse me, this should have been done on a separate thread, but Dready likes to imbed his defeats, sometimes, by hijacking threads. But I closed my case.

Cocaine it is C=C
Edited on 11/28/2011 9:38 PM by Atabey.

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this nfrom a guy who claims to have attended university


We were discussing The Olympics and you used the Olympics as cover for Jamaica's prowess as a Sports power My statement stands: Cuba has demonstrated a Comprehensive competitive output in the Olympic Games. She has won over 190 metals! in a dozen or so DIFFERENT SPORTS

we were not using the Olypmics. the topic was that Cuba is the sports king of the caribbean. i said that it was, and brought into question their recent performances in the Olympics. as usual, you cannot stand on truth, so choose to distort the issue. i find it really odd that a guy from a country that has won only one major tournament since world war 2 should refere to the medal hauls of another as being ¨measly¨. you cannot even win against the likes of Auatralia and the Netherlans in your national sport, baseball. yes, you can win minor tournaments, like the caribbean series. when the money is on the line, you get eliminated in the first round. as for the Olympics, the least you could have done is to win a medal in baseball. not even a bronze! now, that is MEASLY.
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BACK TO THE THREAD'S ORIGINAL FOCUS:



In 1979, I missed the first blatant drug deal (gone bad) gun battle by Cocaine Cowboys, when I visited the Dadeland Mall at lunchtime; That afternoon when I watched the Evening News I saw a report about the shootout that occurred that afternoon. I was there earlier that day!

Quote:
The mall attained notoriety as the site of a 1979 drug-related shooting spree during Miami's "cocaine cowboy" era. In broad daylight, two gunmen exited a paneled truck, entered a liquor store and gunned down two men, wounding the store clerk. The dead men were eventually identified as a Colombia-based cocaine trafficker and his bodyguard.
"Miami". Underworld Histories. History Television. March 15, 2011.
http://www.history.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?titleid=105411
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_Television




I still remember the hit van left behind full of automatic weapons in the middle of the Mall parking lot...facing Dixie Highway!




Yes, indeed for the rest is just a lot of hot air from El chivo castrado

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264 pp., 6.125 x 9.25, 2 tables, notes, bibl., index

Latin America in Translation/en Traducción/em Tradução

Cloth

ISBN 978-0-8078-3175-5
Published: January 2009


The Cuban Connection

Drug Trafficking, Smuggling, and Gambling in Cuba from the 1920s to the Revolution

By Eduardo Sáenz Rovner



Translated by Russ Davidson

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Awards & Distinctions

A Choice Outstanding Academic Title


A comprehensive history of crime and corruption in Cuba, The Cuban Connection challenges the common view that widespread poverty and geographic proximity to the United States were the prime reasons for soaring rates of drug trafficking, smuggling, gambling, and prostitution in the tumultuous decades preceding the Cuban revolution. Eduardo Sáenz Rovner argues that Cuba's historically well-established integration into international migration, commerce, and transportation networks combined with political instability and rampant official corruption to help lay the foundation for the development of organized crime structures powerful enough to affect Cuba's domestic and foreign politics and its very identity as a nation.

Sáenz traces the routes taken around the world by traffickers and smugglers. After Cuba, the most important player in this story is the United States. The involvement of gangsters and corrupt U.S. officials and businessmen enabled prohibited substances to reach a strong market in the United States, from rum running during Prohibition to increased demand for narcotics during the Cold War. Originally published in Colombia in 2005, this first English-language edition has been revised and updated by the author.

About the Author

Eduardo Sáenz Rovner is professor of history at Universidad Nacional de Colombia in Bogotá. He is author or editor of six other books published in Colombia. Translator Russ Davidson is curator emeritus of Latin American and Iberian collections and professor emeritus of librarianship at the University of New Mexico.


Reviews

"A valuable addition to that corpus of historical research on Cuba that confronts official myths that it is all too easy to leave unchallenged."
--Latin American Review of Books

"This meticulously researched and cogently argued work represents a major contribution to Cuban history. . . . Accessibly written and powerfully insightful."
--Choice

"This exhaustively researched text will be of great use to scholars of twentieth-century Cuba, U.S.-Cuban relations, and the global drug trade."
--H-Net Reviews

"This book fills some Cuban niches untouched by North American scholars. . . . (It) brings to light new documentation regarding Cubans, non-Cuban traffickers, and people who used Cuba as a logistical base from the era of prohibition to the Cuban Revolution. . . . There is no doubt that Saenz Rovner gives Cuba the coverage it deserves."
--American Historical Review

"A unique contribution to the fields of Latin American history, U.S. foreign relations, and narcotics studies. . . . Great credit is due to the author for locating this data and producing such a concise account based on it."
--Hispanic American Historical Review

The Cuban Connection provides a fascinating look at how drug trafficking and related activities helped shape Cuban identity from the early twentieth century through the rise of Fidel Castro. The broad scope of the story and the base of research behind it merit the highest praise. There is no other book like it.--William O. Walker III, editor of Drugs in the Western Hemisphere: An Odyssey of Cultures in Conflict

http://uncpress.unc.edu/books/T-7897.html


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264 pp., 6.125 x 9.25, 2 tables, notes, bibl., index

Latin America in Translation/en Traducción/em Tradução

Cloth

ISBN 978-0-8078-3175-5
Published: January 2009


The Cuban Connection

Drug Trafficking, Smuggling, and Gambling in Cuba from the 1920s to the Revolution

By Eduardo Sáenz Rovner



Translated by Russ Davidson

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Awards & Distinctions

A Choice Outstanding Academic Title


A comprehensive history of crime and corruption in Cuba, The Cuban Connection challenges the common view that widespread poverty and geographic proximity to the United States were the prime reasons for soaring rates of drug trafficking, smuggling, gambling, and prostitution in the tumultuous decades preceding the Cuban revolution. Eduardo Sáenz Rovner argues that Cuba's historically well-established integration into international migration, commerce, and transportation networks combined with political instability and rampant official corruption to help lay the foundation for the development of organized crime structures powerful enough to affect Cuba's domestic and foreign politics and its very identity as a nation.

Sáenz traces the routes taken around the world by traffickers and smugglers. After Cuba, the most important player in this story is the United States. The involvement of gangsters and corrupt U.S. officials and businessmen enabled prohibited substances to reach a strong market in the United States, from rum running during Prohibition to increased demand for narcotics during the Cold War. Originally published in Colombia in 2005, this first English-language edition has been revised and updated by the author.

About the Author

Eduardo Sáenz Rovner is professor of history at Universidad Nacional de Colombia in Bogotá. He is author or editor of six other books published in Colombia. Translator Russ Davidson is curator emeritus of Latin American and Iberian collections and professor emeritus of librarianship at the University of New Mexico.


Reviews

"A valuable addition to that corpus of historical research on Cuba that confronts official myths that it is all too easy to leave unchallenged."
--Latin American Review of Books

"This meticulously researched and cogently argued work represents a major contribution to Cuban history. . . . Accessibly written and powerfully insightful."
--Choice

"This exhaustively researched text will be of great use to scholars of twentieth-century Cuba, U.S.-Cuban relations, and the global drug trade."
--H-Net Reviews

"This book fills some Cuban niches untouched by North American scholars. . . . (It) brings to light new documentation regarding Cubans, non-Cuban traffickers, and people who used Cuba as a logistical base from the era of prohibition to the Cuban Revolution. . . . There is no doubt that Saenz Rovner gives Cuba the coverage it deserves."
--American Historical Review

"A unique contribution to the fields of Latin American history, U.S. foreign relations, and narcotics studies. . . . Great credit is due to the author for locating this data and producing such a concise account based on it."
--Hispanic American Historical Review

The Cuban Connection provides a fascinating look at how drug trafficking and related activities helped shape Cuban identity from the early twentieth century through the rise of Fidel Castro. The broad scope of the story and the base of research behind it merit the highest praise. There is no other book like it.--William O. Walker III, editor of Drugs in the Western Hemisphere: An Odyssey of Cultures in Conflict

http://uncpress.unc.edu/books/T-7897.html



Interesting piece. Let's see what Dready the Cuban Communist apologist has to say about the matter

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Atabey, you unrepentant idiot. nobody refuted the Cuban aspect of the drug trade. i merely questioned whether they STARTED it. i know these are difficult concepts for a six year old mind to understand, but ask someone to help you.
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