This thread is base on something Cibaeno75 mentioned. The hispanisation of dominican of haitian descent into dominican society. Well, here is my observation and experience with dominican of haitian descent. The majority don't speak creole nor french and lost any connection with Haiti. Very few visit or are aware of who the president of Haiti is just like the average dominican of x generations. Even the dish have been dominicanised and no longer cook haitian cuisine. And for all here the food are very similar but there are differences. Dominican of haitian descent don't listen to Kompas nor Zouk rather merengue and all other music that is played in hispano america. I am refering to those born and raised in the DR. I even have seen the quick dominicanisation of haitian migrates to the DR where once they have mastered spanish prefer to speak over creole and have adapted well. I can attest after living there over 2.5 yrs that dominican customs unconciously became part of my everyday habits although I dont consider myself a dominico haitian. I think living in the dominican republic gave me a better understanding of the forever haitain/dominican issue it also gave me a different perspective of dominican society. It is very similar to its haitian bethrens and also different which makes the two countries unique on its own. I have appreciated their culture and ways even the things I'm not to fond of but accept as it is. I am amazed how young dominican of haitian ancestry are clueless of haiti but are not considered dominican. It appears these people are not domiincan enough nor culturally haitian enough. When dominicans refer to haitianization of the DR what are they referring to? What about dominicans of japanese, arab,french, italian descent? Is there a concern of these adjectives making them less dominican.

"When dominicans refer to haitianization of the DR what are they referring to? "

When someone mentions to me that "el pais se esta haitianizando" I take it that they mean that it's being overrun by illegal haitian immigration. I don't think that most people who would utter those words are trying to communicate that DR is becoming culturally more haitian. I haven't really heard that to much, though I did read an article fairly recently that suggests that kreyol usage is more widespread among haitians residing in dr and Dominicans of Haitian descent who live in marginalized communities then most would think.

One thing that is evident in all this is that both countries on the island are finding themselves lacking a proper population census. As such, it's a real nightmare for economists and other social scientists to make accurate assessments of the island's economic and social realities when they find themselves working with estimates most of the time.

Haiti to become American Territory
By WESLEY ENGLE, GNP National Writer
Miami, Florida
This is a post that is being speculated and I question the validity of it, so this is not my own posting or research nor opinion.
Posted by Wilgeens Rosenberg

Dated back from: Sunday April 1, 2007 25:61 PM EDT
Haiti to become American Territory

Congress passed on November 3, 2006 and President Bush signed public law 42-576, introduced by Senator Hillary Clinton that will make Haiti a Territory of the United States as of July 1, 2009.

As a Territory, all Haitians will become US citizens. Haiti will have the same status as Guam, Puerto Rico, and the American Somalia Islands in the Pacific. Alaska and Hawaii were territories before becoming the 49th and 50th states. *Territories are different from states in that they do not have a Senator in Congress and can not vote in presidential elections. These citizens do not pay federal income taxes, but are taxed within the
territory.

The will however pay Social Security taxes and be cover by Social Security benefits. Most benefits that American citizens living within the fifty states now enjoy, will also be granted to the citizens of the territory. Food stamps, welfare, aides to families with dependent children, and other US government entitlements will be available to all Haitians eligible after 2009 when Haiti becomes a territory. A State Department spokeswoman would not confirm the rumor that this action was taken to offset the influence that Cuba may have in the area after the death of Fidel Castro. She would only say that this had been on the priority burner of the State Department for several years. The DEA has lobbied for years for this move so that more effective anti-drug operation can be run in Haiti.

After this legislation becomes effective in 2009 Haitians will no longer need a visa or a passport to
travel to the States. They can go and come as they please just as the Puerto Ricans do now. The
Department of Homeland Security will establish offices in Haiti to check those entering Haiti; so that once in Haiti, it will be the same as already cleared Customs and Immigrations into the USA.

In preparation for this change the American government will start in 2008 to establishing federal ffices in Port au Prince to make ready for these changes. The government of Florida has highly endorsed this new law and has been a supporter from its beginning. Florida maintains that the influx of Boat People will be eliminated with the increase in the standard of living of Haitians at home.

Also, there will not be a need for boats after the Haitians can readily fly due to not having to wait for a visa.

GNP special projects manager Jack P. Peoples in New York and Gossip News Press writer Dude Smith in Washington, DC contributed to this report.

Hispanolasoy, you're spammng my threads man. Anyway this is nothing but wishful thinking. USA has taken almost all of haiti's national territory with nothing in return. What in the hell would make them want to have haiti as a territory? Please stop posting links man. It discredits you and depicts you as a fanatic. From a fellow haitian to another fellow haitian like you, I can see that you are confused and dealing with a major identity issue. Again this isn't to discredit your saga but you were born in haiti and culturally haitian. I can see you are passionate about your hispanola thingy but I think you need some time off. As one of my favorite posters on DT stated. If we(dominican & haitian) people have made it thru all this catastrophy one can clearly see that we are Gods children. Ok, this is my version of Lautaro's eloquent finesse. Sorry if I butchered it. Another note, I strong agree that haitians and dominicans must come to an accord and overcome past events to live a better future. I have never seen a bunch of people stuck on history so much and never learn from it, dominicans and haitians alike. I'm bitter to day and not up for reading non sense...

Man take it easy......

Lol ha hahh!!! Perhaps you are right. I post this not that I am a fanatic of it "if it were to happen" simply I want to know what would both Haiti and DR do. What would discredit me would be for me not putting any kind of referral links with my posts and assumably people would just claim them as speculations. To say nonetheless or never that, I have done no kind or reading on the post being it a correct or incorrect of a post. speculation still they may be and I hope, but I post them in light of their alarming significance that good or bad I thought would resonate with both Haitians and Dominicans as worthy enough to bring to their attention given they both do not want to get along.

Yes indeed, I was born in Haiti which I never disclaim, rejected or denounced in terms of denying it that is; but I am a U.S citizen and to add once more my mother is Dominican. So embracing all that I am, because I know and have come to accept; I am the one with an Identity crisis? Well, okay then; sure... I suppose I would have given you much of a reason to be weird had I embraced above all my Jewish part of me and been racist like most or hate and deny my Haitian or Dominican part of me. Then it would have been something of another matter to want to make other claims about me. Thus again, racial division prosper in the minds of both Haitians and Dominicans, the one pure trait they both have in common and may not come to deny if they both wanted to. They just can not help themselves with racism, no, they can not get enough of it since given to them both hate and racism is such a glamorous thing.

This is your thread, yes, however understand that you are not this site's moderator to dictate people where or what to post, when or where. Thus the choice would be apparent to you as far as what you must do being on this site period.

That is the thing with both Dominicans and Haitians. If a Haitian is part Dominican and embrace that, well Haitians just simply think he is a "wannabe" and that he or she is denying being Haitian leave alone if that someone were to have any other mix in them. As to Dominicans, if someone is or has any kind of Haitian mixture in them, Dominicans claim that he or she is not Dominican enough and views that someone as simply Haitian thus denying him or her any aspects that that person may very well be quite Dominicans and again leave alone if that someone were to have any other mix in them as well.

That Dessalineism and Trujilloism needs to stop, darn it!!! What is it with you both Islanders?

Just to inform you: The Island in general still has Gold as a natural resource among other resources. Do you think the U.S would basically or practically still would be helping any Country in the World had there not been some kind of Interest of any kind for them to gain in it. The U.S is not that generous as Americans, otherwise they would have done ended suffering everywhere around the World already had that been the case and today they would still not want to have anything to do with Haiti or any other nations had there not been interest to at least potentially gain whether or not it had been DR, HAITI, AFRICA, MIDDLE EAST AND BEYOND... Personal interests and profits had always been the case be it monetarily or merely just in symbolism or even for moral grounds. That is the one thing most of us colored people do not seem to get about any European descents. To have a hold on a Country or any thus make it become dependent of your mercy whatnot is to bring under your wings and control one more piece of Dominance like a puzzle coming clear to be pieced together.

Here is a little conspiracy theory trivial pop quiz for everyone.

Take a penny, a nickel, a dime and a quarter. Flip them as you keep them in their order in or of value so that all the president heads are facing up. What do you see?

Yes, all the presidents on the silver coins are facing another direction from the copper colored penny which coincidentally happens to be Abe Lincoln. Or maybe he is the one turning his back on them. What or whichever, point is this is the man who has finally enacted the abolition of slavery, yet he is on the lesser valuable currency of the U.S he of whom has some great meaning to a lot of people of Color, yes indeed, Blacks.

Now, let us for once and the benefit of the doubt that this was a printing error. How long has it been since the penny that it has never been fixed or perhaps in symbolism it has a greater meaning unknown to us all.

In G.O.D We Trust: Perhaps it just may really truly mean simply that 'In God We Trust' or does that G.O.D actually represent the (Spain, France, Great Britain, Portugal which White U.S Americans are descendants of) European vice that they've held dear to their hearts all these year throughout history that are known to men and to be constant and present till this day which are.

GOLD: The past natural resource they were willing to steal and killed for.
OIL: The now present resource that they are stealing and killing for.
DOMINION: Which is the prime goal known to even biblical apocalyptic term that represent the beginning of the abyss, thus World Domination.

Or perhaps to every known Mason is what is worship as the GOOD OLD DEVIL.

Which bring us all to the "E PLURIBUS ENUM" factor and theory: "Until all Is One" Now, why to all Christian known faiths of the world who knows of the scripture of Revelation which states "When all Is One" means the prophecy coming of the Anti-Christ and the return of Christ would be apparent and be revealed to us.

Never question why such a quote is in Latin and not in English on the very currency an English speaking Country is using. Of course latin being supposedly the LOST AND FORGOTTEN LANGUAGE since the Amaec. Perhaps this would have been too alarming to the most religious based faiths who believe that there will be an end of the world given the prophecy of the Four Horse Men, the 666 sign of the beast theory.

Knowing all this or given that people, Christians or not of whom most do not understand Latin nowadays in this society as they used to in the past, had this quote been in plain English, who would have actually use the money here in the U.S and who are religiously of any Christian faiths?

THEN AGAIN, FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME WHO IS NOT AT ALL RELIGIOUS AND QUITE AGNOSTIC; MAYBE ALL THAT I HAVE JUST SAID IN THIS ABOVE POST IS BULL. HOWEVER, ONE WONDERS; OR PERHAPS ONE DOES NOT AT ALL...

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Hispanolasoy, you're spammng my threads man. Anyway this is nothing but wishful thinking. USA has taken almost all of haiti's national territory with nothing in return. What in the hell would make them want to have haiti as a territory? Please stop posting links man. It discredits you and depicts you as a fanatic. From a fellow haitian to another fellow haitian like you, I can see that you are confused and dealing with a major identity issue. Again this isn't to discredit your saga but you were born in haiti and culturally haitian. I can see you are passionate about your hispanola thingy but I think you need some time off. As one of my favorite posters on DT stated. If we(dominican & haitian) people have made it thru all this catastrophy one can clearly see that we are Gods children. Ok, this is my version of Lautaro's eloquent finesse. Sorry if I butchered it. Another note, I strong agree that haitians and dominicans must come to an accord and overcome past events to live a better future. I have never seen a bunch of people stuck on history so much and never learn from it, dominicans and haitians alike. I'm bitter to day and not up for reading non sense...
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Man take it easy...... [/QUOTE]

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Hey man tu te pasas tambien... Is true that Jabao take things too seriously but I agree with him about your identity problem (don’t want in anyway to offend you)...

cibaeño...

I agree. But beyond that it also tells a great deal about the how accutely aware Dominicans are to the cultural, ethnic, and racial divides on that island. Mind you...I'm almost certain that when those words are uttered, many are mistaking dominicans of haitian descent and black/dark skinned dominicans of traditionally dominican descent with illegal immigrants from Haiti. It's a knee-jerk reaction that is grounded in perception. That perception is colored by what they observe with their eyes as well as what they hear with their ears. I even have caught my mother doing it nearly every time she comes back from D.R.

The last time she came back (November 2007) she shook her head and said with scorn...

"Tu no puedes creer que la Calle El Conde, que en mi juventud era la calle mas limpia y mas bella de La Capital ahora esta invadida de Haitianos. Esa gente estan hasta cocinando comida para vender en la acera. Yo no se que es lo que esta haciendo el maldito gobierno ese, pero en la Era de Trujillo eso nunca se lo soportarian!"

My mother is a "trujillista". This despite the fact that both her half-brother and her uncle were killed by Trujillos goons. So...just to get on her nerves...I very delicately reminded her that somewhere in her past there had to have a Haitian ancestor...at the very least a black one. And that she shouldn't forget that even though her father was a caucasian Algerian of Jewish descent...Algeria is still Africa. It hasn't moved since the last time the maps of the world were printed.

When it comes to politics, my mom doesn't like me too much.

Hispanolasoy, I'm sorry if you feel I am picking on you. I am not and actually see a young bright haitian that has lived in the USA needs a "galleta" (your dominican side know what that mean) from a big brother haitian like myself. Dude, you have some serious identity issues and I am just giving you a hand to find yourself. You post articles after article and write alot of conspiracy theories. I'm sure you are fascinated with the apocalypse and the mark of the beast. This is about what haitians nor dominicans think you are. It is obvious that you are more haitian culturally and having a serious identity crisis. There a millions of "rayanos" out there and whether they were raised in haiti or dominican they feel closer to the culture they were raised in. By claiming that you are a US citizen doesn't change the fact that you are HAITIAN just like me. Look at your passport the section where it says "place of birth" it clearly states HAITI. Brother I care about you and not teasing you. I am just showing you tough love. You need to chill a bit and stop reading these type of subjects "conspiracies". And I am far from liking Dessaline nor Trujillo's ideologies. Im one haitian individual that is very respectful and open to great discussion. Please stop with these links and non sense article. Why would USA pay for the cow when uncle sam has milked Haiti for the majority of its resources? Does this make sense to you? All it take is common sense. Dude your writing of peace of haitians and dominicans is valid but tone it down a little. Again this is your big brother haitian speaking to you. Much love.. I am an EEO.. I despise non sense and confusion among the mass..