Muchacho, sorry for not answering your post sooner, but the Red Sox’s were in town I had to take in that series, but I guess; I’m bad luck because they got swept by the Rays(currently in south west Florida).(lol)


I think ur right, in ur analysis. The levels of mismanagement that Haiti has experienced during her history are unimaginable. Haiti, has throughout her history has been a cash cow for the rich, and for anybody trying to make a quick buck. As a caution, while I value comparative advantage as an important concept(if not the most important) in international trade theory; It is ultimately based on assumptions, therefore at the mercy of the person applying it, and how realistic they are about the aggregates. Also, the model assumes only two countries producing two goods using just one factor of production.

Ok,wow! (Lol) that’s not what I was trying to convey at all. I would never offer up classical theory diagnosis and then Keynesian solution as u said they are not compatible. I was using a Malthusian “ideal” (that has been in the books forever), as a subtle attack on Haitian Gov for not reacting to “foreseeable” problems and just brushing it aside to create a problem for somebody else(guess you didn‘t get the memo either lol). In retrospect Haitians(and people from other LDC) have proven Malthus wrong, because they continue to have to more children when they themselves are starving.

Yes! Haiti can analyzed through Malthusian economic models(antiquated 19th century models), but that’s very sketchy and which model where you referring to? Modern day Neo-Malthusianism
is reserved for the regal and the very rich(check out Club of Rome again Hispanolano right up ur ally lol). Keynesian analysis does not describe the Haiti’s problems completely, because there’s no room to account for such incompetence. The modern Keynesian model does offer some solutions, but that would require people that are willing to make the right decisions for everybody; not just for a select few. That’s why I’m a proponent of dual citizenship because it would allow more liberal US educated persons to enter the political fray and hopefully change things.

I agree, but there’s not a econometric model that flexible to account such a situation. It’s like a prefect storm of corruption and self destruction, it’s just sad. In Dr,( in my opinion as there is no objective data for me to calculate) politician (steal) about .40 cents out every peso, Haiti is more like .75 per gourde.

I think the situation in many parts of the world defies analysis under any of the current economic models. The utter degradation of the land in many places, the advent of the global warming phenomenon, and the spread of desertification never factored into any equation.

I Agree,

I wouldn't even call Haiti an economically viable country for at least, the last 45 years. How can somebody even begin to calculate when there is no objective estimates let alone data, and modern econ. models are flexible(and are in use in Haiti today) but are they reliable under such strain, ceteris paribus.
There’s myriad of questions that need to be asked to even begin to get a clear paradigm in Haiti’s development. And are those questions being asked?. When people apply economic models without taking a look at the cultural conditions in some LDC the result is miserable failure.

Here’s a study that tries to break down Haiti in a econometric way with some cultural footnotes mixed in http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2007/wp0763.pdf

SHOULD THIS IMAGE STRIKE NERVES:
What Says Of Our Conscience, Much More Our Obligations?
By Wilgeens Rosenberg
http://www.HispanolanoYoSoy.skyrock.com/

The desire to always want to leave a picture and motion to tell a story has always been a dream to many. Yet, greater is known the pain given one's anticipation and urges to talk faster than the brain. Many have ceased to let the brain do most of their talking, in fact, societies are grown conditioned to believe that words have more effect than our thoughts; when the ability to move jaws itself still comes from the brain.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=bRVPoxDgbBo

It requires more strength and a lot more use of one's muscle to talk than to think. Yet, it is also known that very less is accomplished with words alone that are thoughtless thus much of what certain societies do. What has ever heard of "The Tales Of The One And Only Compassionate S1ut"? There within, exist a level of premeditation in one's part though ignored, not yet aware or even denied. Inarguably, much can be said about wary and frail still beautiful Haiti today. Never has existed a "s1ut" with such a compassion and heart being the indication of the word pertains to a "whom, which or what." Oh Haiti that sees humanity is the birth of inspiration when time has not yet believed potentials exist or it was lost.

Haiti, when inhumanity was at a peak to prevail, has given to many instead a reach to phenomenon that instill in Nations that freedom itself has the price and circumstances that many may not be willing to face long after the sacrifice or the anticipated unthinkable that her children will soon set sails and to never bid of their returns. She sees it before they thought it thus she knew the voices of their cowardice promises were never true and would not hold. Even then, she worked the nights and pack their bags for them with unconsolable tears that she dries up at their presence to not let them know her hurt and how much her precious children will be missed no matter how hard it was for her own children to bare the thought before their acts should the image of them leaving never actually strike any nerves... ask again what says of the conscience of her children, much less this turn and time, their obligation to know Haiti Cherie has always needed them home. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiVYVoy8QA The greater her hurt each summers they were not there for her to feed them the tales of the salty or sweet sun baked "KASSAVA" they never even helped cultivate themselves. So she lets the thoughtful images, though depressing, tell her story of the sacrificing nurture she once was and given to them that they have now forgotten and ceased to keep working for which was much of what made this "KASSAVA" that lives and gives the strength of her in her children that is seeing all over the world today.

As her children lived on with her love, she would then be proud to know that her children have not abandon her, much worse lost respect for her, her trust in them is to be earned once more when they come home back to simplicity of her given tradition that had fed them well... http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1blT1aM702o

PS: I asked a question earlier above where and when I asked who has heard of "The Tales Of The One And Only Compassionate S1ut." no one should have actually said yes since I invented the question to show strike curiosity in most of you to read in between the lines that to know the analogy of the word "s1ut" is not the negative thought you have presumed it to be which I am sure you all have discovered if you have fully read and watch the story within the story of the words and video of this so assumed article of mine.

Ooh...I'm generally wary of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. They have essentially been mortgaging the Third World's future since their creation. But I will download the pdf file and read it.

THE GREATEST VIDEO CILP FOR HAITI AND DR RIGHT HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcl71BD7fgA

Is DR is the Rhino or the Dog, or Is Haiti the Rhino or the Dog?
Either or whichever way you guys think fits us or can relate best. Point is here is the best video and National Anthem for the Island.

Frank, Prebisch's ideas were where I was coming from when I questioned the Rostow stuff. What I remember seeing of dependency theory was in the same boat, and when I said radical-land I meant the outer fringes of that school on into the realms of the communists. I agree with the basic idea the dependency theorists put forth; that these economies have to be understood as part and parcel of the developed economies, not just laggards.

My thinking is that nations like DR must be sure to incorporate this insight into their entire identity. Of course what the specifics of that would be I'm not sure ... but I suspect another round of ISI economics may be part of it. Maybe this time instead it would be more like import-substitution it would be expertise-substitution. Planning and investment should revolve around the fact that Dominicans will always be a society with people coming and going from the core economies. There must be some way to harness that more effectively. AND to get away from being on the unfavorable end of the looong commodity cycle.

As for Haiti my own sentiments have been expressed by ohers; I've no idea what is even going on there much less how it would be solved.

I'll look up Estonia, can't say I'm familiar with what is going on there.

Very interesting! ahhahahahha lol sorry for not posting earlier , this South Florida weather is the shit…..

Manhattanite, That’s very commie of you …..lol Prebisch’s is one of the poster boys for the Neo- Marxist movement of the 60’s and 70’s while his ideas have been for the most part rendered mute in the last 20 years(manufacturing and services sectors have over taken commodities in third world countries outside africa) his work is very very interesting to say the least (some recent data actually points in his direction). The dependency theory(another Marxist theory) is always in style lol, while I believe that wealthy nations will try to maintain an advantageous trade position, that’s capitalism and free market economics; they would be very happy in keeping Latin America a glorified market(I’m against dumping). I believe it is within those nations to change things , and lead, by turning the tables on rich countries . It has been done before(it take an incredible amount of determination and national unity and foreign capital, see South Korea and Japan and the other Asian tigers), and it can be done again, but there needs to be some amount of political cohesion and desire from the populace that in my opinion would never exist in Latin America.

ISI economics tend to be inefficient (I’m for protection of some infant industries) and problematic, unless ur rich in natural resources and possess a firm economic structure. It has been tried before in the Dr, and it was a miserable failure under the status quo .

I agree, It is my belief that in a poor country, like the Dr, there needs to be good leadership, personal responsibility and accountability of public officials( all positions in which our country has deficiencies). There’s needs to be a programs were the government uses incentives to lead young people into pursuing the fields that are in demand in a global economy, and then creating a culture where those individuals want to stay in the country. Using innovation, and being in the cutting edge, might take some time but it’s probably the quickest way to get were we want to go. Building and keeping Human capital is not something that Dr has been traditionally good at.

We(the Dr) are not at the mercy of the commodity cycle as we once where, but I do think we are at risk of Immiserization in the tourism sector, if it keeps being over developed at the expense of allocative and technological efficiency.

What is the room looking like today? What it do Dominican and Haitian folks lol!!!

I am coming to DR again, my mother is going to vote. I hope this will not turn into a Bloodshed. What do you all in here think?

WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR HAITI: It Is Time For Actions.
This Time, No Could haves, Should Haves And Would Haves.
By Wilgeens Rosenberg

Tell me if this is not the easiest question yet the hardest for any Haitians to answer. Yet the blame games continues, the playing victims and hiding behind excuses why they cannot take the road to self-sufficiency persist.

Still no Haitians have answered this simple question that is not a math question, or rocket science nor does it require any kind of intellectual brain cells to answer it. You go to many other sites, even Haitian blogging site like http://www.PrevalHaiti.com that many Haitian frequent thinking the site is actually being monitored by Preval or his staffs of some sort, it is still just a basic question that many Haitians find so difficult to answer. One wonders why and how so...?

Haiti is going through a crisis and has been for decades. Every Haitians claim they would like Haiti to change as though the land itself is a being that would up and change itself in a blink of an eye. We have many Haitians that are good for only words and they will post all kinds of "opinions, views and ideas" as well as many kinds "suggestions, recommendation and criticisms. " Yet, the one question remains and no a single Haitians can answer it without trying to evade, elude and derail from it by bashing and constantly change the subject. All in efforts to always leave this measly ordinary question unanswered because they know individually not one of them has a plan, a dream or passion to try to change Haiti. If only the words of JFK would mean something in Haiti. Can Haitians ever resonate with these words "Ask not your Country can do for you, but rather what you can do for your Country." What are beautiful words to hope will be heard in Haiti one day. Unfortunately, somebody is going to have a problem with this post and tarnish it with their ignorance and stupidity way off the purpose of this thread and that basic question.

Yet you will surf all kinds of blogs and you will see debates, disputes and false pretenses of dialogues of so called those who think they are savvy Haitians speculating all kinds of talks with no actions and endeavors for Haiti truly. Let us see who will step up to the challenge of this simple and basic question which should have been banal of every Haitians to keep asking each other each day.

The question was and still remains: This time with a video clip to regress on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZiVYVoy8QA
FOR THE LOVE OF COUNTRY AND AS A HAITIAN, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, CAN OR WILL DO TO CHANGE THINGS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF HAITI?

List of Foundations fighting with actions in Haiti's cause: Do you really want to help?

http://www.unifusa.org/home/
http://www.oreworld.org/
http://www.haiti-micah.org/