| #101 - Posted 30 April 2008, 4:00 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: Railway linking Haiti, DR and PR? Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Frank, I too have many stories concerning Spaniards but mine are a little different because I'm light-skinned. Suffice to say, cowardice overtook more than one individual who made disparaging remarks about Dominicans once they learned I was one myself. The Spaniards, for the most part, have something negative to say about everybody, not just Dominicans. They have derrogatory names for South Americans (sudacas, which they use much like the word "nigger" is used when referring to people of color) and hold all types of insane prejudices when it comes to the nations that make up Spanish-speaking America. Hell, they don't even like themselves. They're always insulting spanish provinces other than their own with such hatred that it makes one wonder if they even see Spaniards from other provinces as countrymen. So much for the mother country. Cibaeno, I mean you would think the were living in the Dark Ages. I mean only if the majority knew how the felt about Latin Americans it would put this madre patria thing in perspective. With an influx of latin americans migrating there because of the opportunities that the USA once offered latin americans are getting a rude awakening..Even argentineans get it too..although some would feel otherwise. The way the treat the morrocans is disgusting. They are the scapegoat for every problem there. I mean every country has its problem and Im sure there are good spaniards out there. I think they are a society that is very closed..not immigrant friendly..i gues since it's something new... |
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| #102 - Posted 30 April 2008, 4:05 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 226 | RE: Railway linking Haiti, DR and PR? Quote: JabaoHaitian previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Frank, I too have many stories concerning Spaniards but mine are a little different because I'm light-skinned. Suffice to say, cowardice overtook more than one individual who made disparaging remarks about Dominicans once they learned I was one myself. The Spaniards, for the most part, have something negative to say about everybody, not just Dominicans. They have derrogatory names for South Americans (sudacas, which they use much like the word "nigger" is used when referring to people of color) and hold all types of insane prejudices when it comes to the nations that make up Spanish-speaking America. Hell, they don't even like themselves. They're always insulting spanish provinces other than their own with such hatred that it makes one wonder if they even see Spaniards from other provinces as countrymen. So much for the mother country. Cibaeno, I mean you would think the were living in the Dark Ages. I mean only if the majority knew how the felt about Latin Americans it would put this madre patria thing in perspective. With an influx of latin americans migrating there because of the opportunities that the USA once offered latin americans are getting a rude awakening..Even argentineans get it too..although some would feel otherwise. The way the treat the morrocans is disgusting. They are the scapegoat for every problem there. I mean every country has its problem and Im sure there are good spaniards out there. I think they are a society that is very closed..not immigrant friendly..i gues since it's something new... The Spanish mentality is one of suspicion. This was the country that created the Inquisition, after all. |
| #103 - Posted 30 April 2008, 4:08 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: Railway linking Haiti, DR and PR? [/QUOTE] And Frank, I find that hard to understand. Consideirng how much Spanish culture owes Arabs, you would think Spaniards would have a different mentality. [/QUOTE] People ,society, usually despise what some part of their culture although it is evident in every part of their society. With the majority of immigrant dominican population in the USA I would say that DR is very much influenced my USA more so than Spain in alot of aspects. Especially americans of dominican descent. I feel dominican society is a very open society which welcomes just about everyone. Any take on this. Very immigrant friendly in certain aspects. Some time the immigrants have more rights and connection that the common dominican..sad but true.. |
| #104 - Posted 30 April 2008, 4:22 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: April 2008 Member #: 654 Posts: 226 | RE: Railway linking Haiti, DR and PR? [QUOTE=JabaoHaitian] [/QUOTE] And Frank, I find that hard to understand. Consideirng how much Spanish culture owes Arabs, you would think Spaniards would have a different mentality. [/QUOTE] People ,society, usually despise what some part of their culture although it is evident in every part of their society. With the majority of immigrant dominican population in the USA I would say that DR is very much influenced my USA more so than Spain in alot of aspects. Especially americans of dominican descent. I feel dominican society is a very open society which welcomes just about everyone. Any take on this. Very immigrant friendly in certain aspects. Some time the immigrants have more rights and connection that the common dominican..sad but true.. [/QUOTE] I would venture to say that most times immigrants have more rights and connections than your average Dominican. But it's not applied across the board. Not all immigrants have instant and equal power and access. I have one cousin who married an Argentinian here in NYC. They relocated to D.R. They are now moving BACK because he has consistently been harrassed as to the nature of his business dealings by tax authorities, customs officials, and the national police. The guy's a freaking food importer...he owns supermarkets! But because he has both an Argentinian passport and a U.S. passport, he's been investigated. Now, if he had been German, or British, or Dutch...you know the deal. Aight...I gotta go teach my usual non-existent 4:15 class. |
| #105 - Posted 30 April 2008, 4:47 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: December 2007 Member #: 160 Posts: 711 | RE: Railway linking Haiti, DR and PR? [[/QUOTE] I would venture to say that most times immigrants have more rights and connections than your average Dominican. But it's not applied across the board. Not all immigrants have instant and equal power and access. I have one cousin who married an Argentinian here in NYC. They relocated to D.R. They are now moving BACK because he has consistently been harrassed as to the nature of his business dealings by tax authorities, customs officials, and the national police. The guy's a freaking food importer...he owns supermarkets! But because he has both an Argentinian passport and a U.S. passport, he's been investigated. Now, if he had been German, or British, or Dutch...you know the deal. Aight...I gotta go teach my usual non-existent 4:15 class. [/QUOTE] Europeans in general that come here make the right connections on the other hand I've seen alot of europeans and especially americans making acquaintences with people with less connection and are happy too even living in el barrio..alot of canadians fall under this category.. and it appears your cousin didn't know the right people or doesn't have a pradino that greases the ball to make it roll. Unfortunately, the problem is corruption. If he had paid off the right person none of this would've been an issue. And him having an argentinian passport & USA passport could've cause him issues if he was flaunting it around. He is perceived as dominican by the locals..so there you have the problem...Should've put his wife as the front man..but then again this could lead to other trouble..una rubia en sto domingo running a business with her husband in the back seat isn't macho at all...BTW, what was he importing to DR? Edited on 4/30/2008 4:51 PM by JabaoHaitian. |
| #106 - Posted 1 May 2008, 3:30 PM | |
Location: United States, Manhattan, NYC Join date: May 2008 Member #: 701 Posts: 1 | RE: Railway linking Haiti, DR and PR? I been watching this back an forth. I have to ask one queston to mr. muchacho. You mention before that u had worked for Ferrer in the BX. And u menton before that u were or are a professor. Were u a lectruring adjunct at Hunter College? |
| #107 - Posted 29 May 2008, 4:51 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 810 Posts: 39 | RE: Railway linking Haiti, DR and PR? [COLOR=#ED1C24][B]SEEKING HOPE THROUGH [COLOR=#4D6DF3]HA[/COLOR][COLOR=#B4B4B4]I[/COLOR][COLOR=#ED1C24]TI[/COLOR] INSECURITY IMPASS.[/B] By Wilgeens Rosenberg The safety and the security of the Haitian people and their cities is very important. For, Haiti's overall economical and social development depends and rely on a stable secure Nation. Thus in all sense and effect, a better secure Haiti may contribute to the possible stability of the Country in whole politically. Let us not be naive on this issue that the Country's very own politicians are invested in the insecurity challenges of the Country why it is such a complex matter to tackle and cater to in Haiti's case. It is of no surprise that most Haitians know of the greater threats the insecurity issue poses for Haiti's future. As an insecure Haiti only creates fear and distrust among those Haitian residents who will feel that their Government cannot protect them giving leeway to neighboring Nations to make of Haiti the Catalyst Pariah, as well as an insecure Haiti only instills direct and indirectly a sense of neglect for Haiti in the hearts of Haitian diasporas living abroad as well as in visitors alike who may in fact could be prospect investors whom in return Haiti could very well benefit from. There are few incentives to invest, either economically or socially, in an unsafe Haiti, thus Haitians and their Government need to step up greatly. Creating safer urban, communal and district neighborhood crime prevention programs is one way to disturb this negative feedback circle that weakens Haiti as to not be naive also to know that crime prevention efforts and the "Haitian Government must not neglect the deeper factors that create crime in the first place—lack of economic opportunities and weak social bonds between residents. " [B]1.[/B] Built what most people consider to be the best rehabilitation institutions known to men which is to built more jails. "[COLOR=#ED1C24]If there are more rooms for them to rot in with the already corrupted and damaged Judicial system, they will think twice about committing the crimes.[/COLOR]" [B]2.[/B] Send out a strong signals to culprits, perpetrators and caught criminals and their accomplices and anyone directly or indirectly implicated that their crime will be severely punished. "[COLOR=#ED1C24]Involuntary closed-monitored Military service and while awaiting to be seeing by a judge if any time soon, Free forced labor will be implemented.[/COLOR]" [B]3.[/B] The launching of a multi-organized crime awareness prevention programs and campaigns in provide incentive awards to discreet informants who report any acts of violence. "[COLOR=#ED1C24]Creating a secret underground police force who themselves would be watched by others bigger secret police.[/COLOR]" Maybe it is about time Haiti should have a President with some kind of social control backbone in the Country... perhaps even as risky to say but hope it would not have to come to that -- rather this time around Haiti needs a kind of a Progressive Dictator to help bring about social order. Read more of my blogs [URL]http://www.HispanolanoYoSoy.skyrock.com[/URL] [URL]http://www.Hispanolanos.blogspot.com[/URL] Wilgeens Rosenberg "That Dominican-Haitian-Jewish Kid" QuisqueyanoYoSoy Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com |
| #108 - Posted 29 May 2008, 6:14 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 698 | Quote: HAYkickyouintheSHIN previously said: Well I can't speak about DR-PR relations but with Haiti as part of the connection I wouldn't think so. Although I'm a rather hopeful guy, and Haiti (which I have much love for) is slowly progressing, don't you think an economically ill country such as Haiti would be able to sustain being "connected" to DR, an economically moderate country which is progressing at a rather fast pace? Especially regarding the bad politics and problems? Essentially I'm trying to ask whether you think the countries would be able to brush aside the binational tension for once and work together to achieve such a goal? How would this project develop? It would be a beneficial occurence in Haiti and would improve relations in my opinion. There's enough trade to encourage a links between DR-PR, with Haiti, I don't think it’s necessary since there's enough roads that connect both countries, unless you're aiming for a Haiti/Cuba or a Jamaica/Haiti link... I don't think that the Mona canal famous for its turbulent water will support some kind of bridge or underwater tunnel. I need more info to be more optimistic Also think about this, DR, HAiti, Cuba and puerto Rico are broke, who's paying for it and what is it going to cost the latter countries? |
| #109 - Posted 29 May 2008, 7:11 PM | |
Location: Haiti Join date: May 2008 Member #: 819 Posts: 82 | RE: Railway linking Haiti, DR and PR? Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: HAYkickyouintheSHIN previously said: Well I can't speak about DR-PR relations but with Haiti as part of the connection I wouldn't think so. Although I'm a rather hopeful guy, and Haiti (which I have much love for) is slowly progressing, don't you think an economically ill country such as Haiti would be able to sustain being "connected" to DR, an economically moderate country which is progressing at a rather fast pace? Especially regarding the bad politics and problems? Essentially I'm trying to ask whether you think the countries would be able to brush aside the binational tension for once and work together to achieve such a goal? How would this project develop? It would be a beneficial occurence in Haiti and would improve relations in my opinion. There's enough trade to encourage a links between DR-PR, with Haiti, I don't think it’s necessary since there's enough roads that connect both countries, unless you're aiming for a Haiti/Cuba or a Jamaica/Haiti link... I don't think that the Mona canal famous for its turbulent water will support some kind of bridge or underwater tunnel. I need more info to be more optimistic Also think about this, DR, HAiti, Cuba and puerto Rico are broke, who's paying for it and what is it going to cost the latter countries? Wow, the very first direct non racist, unbiased constructive question and statment from CarlosFranco ? I am shocked! Edited on 5/29/2008 7:12 PM by NègMawon. Wilgeens Rosenberg "Ti Domimiken-Ayisyen-Jwif La" NègMawon BeReady2Ride@yahoo.com |
| #110 - Posted 29 June 2008, 9:13 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: January 2008 Member #: 219 Posts: 9 | Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Quote: HAYkickyouintheSHIN previously said: Well I can't speak about DR-PR relations but with Haiti as part of the connection I wouldn't think so. Although I'm a rather hopeful guy, and Haiti (which I have much love for) is slowly progressing, don't you think an economically ill country such as Haiti would be able to sustain being "connected" to DR, an economically moderate country which is progressing at a rather fast pace? Especially regarding the bad politics and problems? Essentially I'm trying to ask whether you think the countries would be able to brush aside the binational tension for once and work together to achieve such a goal? How would this project develop? It would be a beneficial occurence in Haiti and would improve relations in my opinion. There's enough trade to encourage a links between DR-PR, with Haiti, I don't think it’s necessary since there's enough roads that connect both countries, unless you're aiming for a Haiti/Cuba or a Jamaica/Haiti link... I don't think that the Mona canal famous for its turbulent water will support some kind of bridge or underwater tunnel. I need more info to be more optimistic Also think about this, DR, HAiti, Cuba and puerto Rico are broke, who's paying for it and what is it going to cost the latter countries? Cayman Islands is much a better idea. An always flourishing and wealthy country... |