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#1 - Posted 2 May 2008, 11:17 AM
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Faith in the Dominican People
As a haitian national that has lived in the Dominican Rep and have good dominican friends and know the real deal when it comes to the haitian immigrants living in the DR it has come to my attention that I am very candid with what I say on this forum. I haven't been politically correct nor cutailed my opinions and some of my comments my ruffle some feather. I strongly feel that I have complete faith in the dominican people. Despite those that would like to make it a haitian vs dominican stand off, I feel dominicans will come to there own beliefs just as Junot Diaz that has been openly blunt about certain topics which have cause an uproar in the traditional dominican society. I can walk out on faith and believe the dominican people shall judge it peers and others fairly despite the propaganda and centuries of a narrow way of thinking when it comes to certain subjects. What's your take on the dominican people? Most posters on DT are from the diaspora and I am apalled to hear some of the comments since they too are immigrants that most likely were not welcome due to the country they come from. Diaz is one dominican that I see questioning and making a roar about the tradition rather than molding himself to traditional ways. Where have the crossroads led you to veer off two? The road less travelled or the easy path that everyone follows. Diaz appears to be saying things that are not traditional and getting under the skin of many traditionist. Well his fame last or will his bluntness and honesty cause the dominican traditionalist distance itself from the diaspora dominicans that won't go along with the mami and papi's way. Where are you? Do you come down and be yourself or do you fake it and try to get acceptance from the jevitos
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#2 - Posted 2 May 2008, 12:21 PM
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What???

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#3 - Posted 2 May 2008, 1:10 PM
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¿Que quieres saber de Haiti? Haiti is very intriguing country where people are proud despite the hard times. Although 50% are illiterate, haiti has one of most complicated and fascinating gift in art which is famous throughout the world. Education is valued more than anything and respected in our society. We have one of the best rhum in the caribbean and clairin. Haiti is a very conservative society and asking parents permission to marry their daughter is still the norm and classism is part of our society. Our national music is Konpa or Compas formerly known is haitian meringue. Our naitonal dish serves rice & beans, plaintains, salad with avocado with griot or chicken which goes down great with a Cola Lakay(haitian soda). We also love lambi which I think is the whole island since I've offered other latin americans and they didn't know the name "lambi". We eat cassava better known as kassav with haitian peanut butter(spicy). Our national sport is football known as soccer in USA although young haitians are more into basketball. We speak a beautiful language called kreyol which has its base on french with symantics are african with words from english,french,indigenous(taino)spanish and west african language. French is also our language use to conduct business and formal gatherings although now kreyol is used in formal gatherings. What else you want to know?
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#4 - Posted 2 May 2008, 1:20 PM
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Diaz sounds like what he is; an American, operating from American conceptions of race, politics etc.. Yes I have faith that as time passes and the bridges between US and DR continue to broaden then sure, more and more Dominicans of younger generations will operate from more Americanized worldviews. I think on balance, as Diaz exemplifies, this is a good thing...although of course there will be negative as well.
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#5 - Posted 2 May 2008, 1:23 PM
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Gracias Jabao, I started a new topic. Thank you for your comments. I want to know more about Haiti man. I just now the horrible poverty that continues to deteroiate Haitian society. Hablame de Haiti. Why would anyone be interested in a country that is considered a fail nation. I know there are brighter spots so I hoping Haitans can tell us about them.


http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/forum/living-in-the-dr/general-info/100/How-is-living-in-Haiti

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#6 - Posted 2 May 2008, 1:30 PM
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#7 - Posted 2 May 2008, 1:39 PM
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I agree with you Manhattannite. I think being born and educated in the dispora you things in a different light. While many Dominicans in DR are not as educated and are trapped into thinking only in DR and not really having an understanding of how the world works. I think in DR there is massive discriminations not exactly racism since the people being discriminated against or by are minorities (blacks, mulattos, etc). themselves. Discrimination in DR is extensive, religious views, political views, gender not as much, skin tone, body type (fat vs. skinny), looks (pretty vs. ugly), economic background, disability, which people in the disapora get outrage for b/c we know thats not right. For DR to continue to develop these discriminations must be eliminated.

For example, my young cousin of 24 yrs, can't find a job as a secretary not b/c she doesnt have the proper education but b/c she is fat and not very good looking. I mean come on, I thought we were over this. Just like here, there are millions more in here situation which have been discrimminated against. I know DR is not exclusive to this. I know there are other socieites that are harsher than ours but I'm taking about my people.

I do acknowledge this are getting better especially with the gender issue. I know DR is starting to change and it will continue to do so as long as ppl fight for it. It's seem to be a norm for ppl to be complacent and accept the discrimminations against them. i remember when I was in DR visiting my family a ya en Sabana Perdida (Santo Doimingo NOrte) and I wanted to hang out with my cousin. We always went to the La Venezuela to chill with the locals at places were everyone mingled with no problem. I enjoyed that but when I wanted to go to "La 27" with my cousin, he felt uncomfortable. "Primo yo no puedo entrar ahi" I was like what are you talking let's go.

I felt it was one of two things,
1. He is poor and feels uncomfortable mingling with the upper/middle class kids
2. He's skin tone is darker and won't get in as he is assumed to be poor due to color

I think in DR racisim doesn't exist but discrimination against skin tones since they are perceived as being poorer and possibly trouble makers.

I mean when you have someone saying we can't allow you in the club b/c you are a "moreno". That outrages me but in DR people accept it. I don't understand. In the U.S., that's a lawsuit !!!!

Dominicanos, DaniDR, MrDom, Time2rize, and others how live there, tell my way this is the case man?

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#8 - Posted 18 June 2008, 6:50 PM
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Quote:
ny4life previously said:

I agree with you Manhattannite. I think being born and educated in the dispora you things in a different light. While many Dominicans in DR are not as educated and are trapped into thinking only in DR and not really having an understanding of how the world works. I think in DR there is massive discriminations not exactly racism since the people being discriminated against or by are minorities (blacks, mulattos, etc). themselves. Discrimination in DR is extensive, religious views, political views, gender not as much, skin tone, body type (fat vs. skinny), looks (pretty vs. ugly), economic background, disability, which people in the disapora get outrage for b/c we know thats not right. For DR to continue to develop these discriminations must be eliminated.

For example, my young cousin of 24 yrs, can't find a job as a secretary not b/c she doesnt have the proper education but b/c she is fat and not very good looking. I mean come on, I thought we were over this. Just like here, there are millions more in here situation which have been discrimminated against. I know DR is not exclusive to this. I know there are other socieites that are harsher than ours but I'm taking about my people.

I do acknowledge this are getting better especially with the gender issue. I know DR is starting to change and it will continue to do so as long as ppl fight for it. It's seem to be a norm for ppl to be complacent and accept the discrimminations against them. i remember when I was in DR visiting my family a ya en Sabana Perdida (Santo Doimingo NOrte) and I wanted to hang out with my cousin. We always went to the La Venezuela to chill with the locals at places were everyone mingled with no problem. I enjoyed that but when I wanted to go to "La 27" with my cousin, he felt uncomfortable. "Primo yo no puedo entrar ahi" I was like what are you talking let's go.

I felt it was one of two things,
1. He is poor and feels uncomfortable mingling with the upper/middle class kids
2. He's skin tone is darker and won't get in as he is assumed to be poor due to color

I think in DR racisim doesn't exist but discrimination against skin tones since they are perceived as being poorer and possibly trouble makers.

I mean when you have someone saying we can't allow you in the club b/c you are a "moreno". That outrages me but in DR people accept it. I don't understand. In the U.S., that's a lawsuit !!!!

Dominicanos, DaniDR, MrDom, Time2rize, and others how live there, tell my way this is the case man?





I can relate the following information to you:
-I was born in DR but raised here in the USA
-I went back and lived/studied there for a year but too young to know about the night club thing (i was 14 years old)

I come into contact with alot of Dominicans of diverse socioeconomic backgrounds as well as my family members and here is what they say about the whole nightclub thing:

-They know of no Club that denies anyone entrance strictly based on 'skin tone/color/race'
-The trendy Clubs are all about letting people in who look like they got serious money. They pick the people who they let in based on this. What is the look? Very trendy/expensive type style/clothing, high society types, etc. Who won't get in? Any hip-hop/baggy pants/Urban/Gangster and/or poor looking.
-The people telling me this have been inside those places and they were not all 'lightsklinned/white'. Also, I believe the trendy/society/high class/preppy Dominicans have a term for low class DominicanYork types-Chopos. No Chopos allowed in.

Now this is similar to many clubs all over the world including USA. Clearly someone needs to do a very good test on these clubs to get to the bottom of it, or they will always be accused of racism. In other words, it sounds more like classism.
I'd be greatly interested in hearing from Dominicans that actually live there, or better yet have gone in. By the way, you can easily see pics of people in these clubs who are either darkskinned/black.
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#9 - Posted 18 June 2008, 7:20 PM
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I am not a party boy…. But from time to time I visit places such as Dock in Acropolis that is mostly visited for jevitos, but you will find people from all different social status and skin colors… you just have to be over 18.
I went once to loft… the way you dress and what you appear to be (rich or poor) will determine if you can get in rather than skin color…
So there are places that money rules… there are places… very nice places like Dock, eclipse, billar latino and many other places that young people can enjoy without worrying about money or skin color
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#10 - Posted 18 June 2008, 7:30 PM
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I am all for that peaceful Faith In The Dominican People since I, too, have lived in DR and know this Dominican-Haitian standoff all too well. My question is: When will Dominican Today banned or delete Dominican members for using defaming condescending remarks about Haiti & Haitians?

It says on here: "Write your opinion here. Please keep your comment relevant to this article. Please note that any comments which contain offensive language or discriminatory expressions may be edited/removed. Please read our terms of use and posting rules. Any comment containing vulgar language, offense to other posters/general public or the majority of text in uppercase, will be deleted."

Haitians been telling people about their stories, struggles and plights a specific post that has done so so well is this one on here titles. A DAY IN HAITI: One Video At A Time.
Edited on 6/18/2008 7:32 PM by MrDRToday.
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