| #61 - Posted 21 September 2009, 8:57 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 1510 | RE: QUISQUEYA is the name of the land occupied by the State denominated Dom. Rep. Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Quote: Manhattanite previously said: Constitucion I think ' Dominican Republic of Quisqueya' would be a fantastic official name. Unfortunately not sure many will be willing to put energy into such a campaign with so much else going on. The "Quisqueya" name pertains to the whole island as a whole, not the Dominican Republic side alone regardless of which side uses it more than the other is irrelevant much like the we have accepted to adopt the name "Hispaniola" given to us by European foreign invaders name which refers to the whole island and does not constitute to belong to any of the specific sides alone. And so then you would said Haiti's name is illegitimate in the same sense? Either way, Dominicans proudly call themselves Quisqueyanos regularly, do Haitians? Accept and believe it or not, As facts will tell you that Haiti is originally the indigenous name for the entire Island along with Quisqueya or Bohio. The indigenous natives did not have "Hispaniola" in their vocabulary. Yes, Haitians call themselves "Kiskeya" is what many seem to never be able to bare to phantom or co mprehend that Haitians do as well in the meaning of the sense of the word knowing that Quisqueya or Kiskeya is the name for the entire Island. Haiti: means in the Taino native tongues "Country of High Mountain." Quisqueya: means in the Taino native tongues "Fruitful, Prosperous & Rich Land." Bohio: means in the Taino native tongue "Home or hut" thus "Homeland." Hispaniola: means in the Spaniard tongue "Little Spain." Hmm, show me an abnormally of something that does not fit in the picture between these names (lol)? Saint Domingue, Santo Domingo or Dominicana: Are they not European imperialist invaders names given the the Island or not, by say oh both Spain and France? Oh yeah they are! Thus as habitants of the Quisqueya Island that they (Haitians and Dominicans) are on the Island, they too, call themselves that as well regardless of what arguments some may have regarding the matter of who are deemed per marginalized perceptions to be Quisqueyans or not. So no Haiti is not in the same sense an illegitimate name. If anything, it is more preserving thus giving a sense of honorary favors to the actual indigenous natives given it was, has been the name they had for the island. P.S: Allow me if I must say this and I hope many of you are mature enough to comprehend in what sense I am saying this to not make a totally whole emotionally resentful argument over this that... Dominicana is in no sense in any native tongue syntax of any relevance to the island in terminology and I did not say that in any way for anyone to start illogical emotional backlashes. Accept or believe what? You seem to overlook my questions at times and give me a lecture of sorts. I know the meaning for all 3 Taino words, they're freely available online and Dominicans usually know them. But if you want to get technical the modern nation of Haiti is much more mountainous (thus less fertile) than DR so it could be labeled Haiti itself. DR is set on extremely fertile land so it could be call Quisqueya. No one's really arguing in favor for using Hispaniola, though I use it when referring to the entire island. Again, you glossed over my post. I was not saying Haiti was illegitimate compared to "imperialist" nation names I was saying isn't calling 1/3 of the Hispaniola island Haiti as illegitimate as calling the other 2/3 of Hispaniola "Quisqueya" as you were protesting?: Quote: AfroLatino previously said: The "Quisqueya" name pertains to the whole island as a whole, not the Dominican Republic side alone regardless of which side uses it more than the other is irrelevant much like the we have accepted to adopt the name "Hispaniola" given to us by European foreign invaders name which refers to the whole island and does not constitute to belong to any of the specific sides alone. |
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| #62 - Posted 21 September 2009, 9:04 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 1510 | RE: QUISQUEYA is the name of the land occupied by the State denominated Dom. Rep. Quote: Incognito previously said: Well haitians use all the names... Quiskeya is written Kiskeya... Do Haitians also refer to themselves as "Kiskeyanos" (don't know if that's how it would be called)? |
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| #63 - Posted 21 September 2009, 9:08 PM | |
Location: Canada, Montreal Join date: June 2009 Member #: 3003 Posts: 453 | RE: QUISQUEYA is the name of the land occupied by the State denominated Dom. Rep. Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: Incognito previously said: Well haitians use all the names... Quiskeya is written Kiskeya... Do Haitians also refer to themselves as "Kiskeyanos" (don't know if that's how it would be called)? Well I dont really know but if you Ask someone and ask him what the name of Haiti is he will say Haiti Quiskeya Bohio or Haiti thomas ( never know where the Thomas came from ? ) TN1804 |
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| #64 - Posted 22 September 2009, 6:05 AM | |
Location: United States, Naples, Florida Join date: May 2008 Member #: 829 Posts: 59 | RE: QUISQUEYA is the name of the land occupied by the State denominated Dom. Rep. Gizmo, Gizmo, Gizmo, thank you for making my point sticks. Yes, let's talk about the "Dominican" word: ORIGIN: This word was form from two Latin words around the year 1310 by Father Domingo de Guzman. The two words were: Dominus (meaning man of God) and Can (dog), as an inspiration that he had since childhood, remembering that his mother used to tell him that in her pregnancy, she always dreamed with a little dog. That combination of words became "Dominican” that Father Domingo de Guzman used to name the missionaries and nuns of the religious and Catholic order that he founded, now known as the Order of Santo Domingo. CONTROVERSY: At the beginning of the XVII Century, the king of Spain wanted to clear the confusion about the name of the island that some called Haiti, others Quisqueya and that Christopher Columbus had baptized as La Espanola, which Latin translation of Hispanola was also in used. This last name for the island was the key for the king to choose another name for it, because the kingdom didn't entertain the idea that there were Spaniards being born in an island far away from the Homeland in Europe. THE FIRST LEGAL NAME OF THE ISLAND The kingdom of Spain named the island Santo Domingo to honor Domingo de Guzman who became canonized Saint and his religious order had helped Spain with missionaries sent to the newly discovered continent. The name of the island was legally name Santo Domingo and with a Royal Cedula (ID), name the people from that island "Dominicans", same as the religious order called its missionaries. Remember that only the owners (regardless of how the property is acquired) have the right to name his/her/their property. DOMINICA Columbus had baptized another island as "Dominica" (after who or what is a controversy) that the kingdom of Spain accepted. Although the Constitution of that island calls its natives "The People of Dominica", the rest of the world refer to them as "Dominicans", and, if the form of government for this island were republican style, it could have been called "Dominican Republic". It is a possibility. DOMINICANS IN THE ISLAND OF SANTO DOMINGO At the beginning, in the year 1621, Dominicans were only those Spaniards and Spaniard descendants that received a Royal Cedula (Royal Identification) as such. Later, Dominicans were all people living in the island of Santo Domingo that were not slave. Before 1804 all inhabitants were Dominicans. I will stop here to continue later if needed beyond 1804. |
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