The cost to Air France-KLM’s pool of insurers, which includes Allianz SE and American International Group Inc., will depend on estimates of the travelers’ nullified lifetime earnings and any negligence demonstrated by the airline. Insurers covering plane manufacturer Airbus SAS and servicing contractors may also be liable once officials determine why the A330-200 dropped into the Atlantic Ocean.

“It’s going to be an expensive claim,” said Stephen Riley, executive director of Global Aerospace Underwriting Managers Ltd., which has 7.5 percent of the plane’s coverage. “This will be the largest loss to the insurance market arising from an aircraft accident since that loss in late 2001,” when a flight from AMR Corp.’s American Airlines crashed in Queens, New York killing 265 people and costing about $600 million, he said.

Buffett, AIG, Allianz

Riley has said his firm is backed by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc. AIG, the insurer that received a $182.5 billion government bailout, has 12.5 percent of the coverage on the Air France flight, said Marie Ali, a spokeswoman for the New York-based company’s property-casualty unit. The insurer’s net loss on the coverage is capped at $21 million, she said. Allianz, identified by de La Morinerie as another company in the pool, had no comment, said Hugo Kidston, a spokesman for the insurer.

texasshoe previously said:

Arsenio,

I have flown a whole bunch in my lifetime and I am sure on every kind of plane. Is it a coincedence they are all Airbus-Maybe. The US Airways flew through a flock of birds, or a bunch of birds flew into it. On all planes of any size and smaller ones and helicopters there are Pitot tubes and they are forward facing extentions of instramentation in the cockpit, airspeed, and so on. If the airspeed is not measured correctly the auto-pilot probably malfunctions ( I am assuming).

Information on Pitot tubes.

http://www.spaceagecontrol.com/pm/uploads/Main.Litroom2/naca-tn-616.pdf

I think it would be more an issue of maintenance or cutting corners to save money that could be the real factor here. If a Tube costs a total of $3000 including installing them and each plane has two of them and you own a fleet of 200 planes that is $1,200,000 in Pitot tube replacement costs a year or double if you have to replace them twice a year.

ArsenioALembertJr previously said:



FORT WORTH, Texas (CNN) -- Here is a list of passengers and crew for American Airlines Flight 587, with citizenship, as provided by American Airlines.

CREW:

Capt. Edward States, United States
First Officer Sten Molin, United States
Deborah Fontakis, United States
Barbara Giannasca, United States
Wilmer Gonzalez, United States
Joseph Lopes, United States
Michele Milles, United States
Carol Palm, United States
William Valdespino, United States


PASSENGERS:

Manuel Abreu, Dominican Republic
Juana Abreu, United States
Candida Rosa Acosta, United States
Oneida Acosta de Araujo, United States
Rosa Alcantara, United States
Selene Alcantara, Dominican Republic
Danny Alcantara Taveras, Dominican Republic
Hipolito Algarroba, United States
Ubencia Algarroba, United States
Josefina Allende, United States
Ramon Almanzar, United States
Rosa Almanzar, Dominican Republic
Juan Almonte, Dominican Republic
Luz M. Alvarado, Dominican Republic
Rafael Alvarez, United States
Marina Aponte, United States
Regina Arroyo Molina, United States
Jovanny Baez, Dominican Republic
Lialette Batista, United States
Noemi Batista, United States
Baudilio Bautista, United States
Tito Bautista, Dominican Republic
Xiomara Betances, Dominican Republic
Dennis Blair, United States
Jose Bonilla, United States
Wilberto Brito, United States
Pedro Brito Rodriguez, United States
Angela (Maria) Burdier, Dominican Republic
Maria Burdier Tapia, Dominican Republic
Robert Cabrera, Dominican Republic
Consesora Calaff, United States
Ramon Calderon, United States
Petronila Capellan, United States
Genimiz Carty, United States
Juana Castillo, United States
Santana Castillo Fernandez, United States
Sobeira Cedeno, United States
Angel Celestino, United States
Christina Charles, United States
David (Ching) Chen, Taiwan
Victor Cornelio, Dominican Republic
Juan Coronado, United States
Gladys Coronado, United States
Danilo Corporan, Dominican Republic
Eduarda Corporan, United States
Janet Corporan, United States
Gisela Cuello, United States
Indira Cuevas, United States
Federico de la Asuncion, United States
Alcibiades de la Cruz, United States
Karla de la Cruz, United States
Clara de la Cruz, United States
Leonardo de la Cruz, United States
Glen de la Cruz, United States
Leonte de la Cruz, United States
Marino De La Cruz, Colombia
Angela De La Cruz, Dominican Republic
Maria De La Cruz, United States
Alexandra De La Cruz, United States
Juan De La Cruz, United States
Rafael de la Cruz, United States
Ramona De Leon Corporan, United States
Nieves de los Santos, Dominican Republic
Guadalupe del Rosario de Peralta, United States
Eustaquio Delarosa, United States
Reynda Delgado, Dominican Republic
Patricio Demarchena, Dominican Republic
Roberto Despradel, Dominican Republic
Lorenzo Despradel, United States
Robert Despradel, United States
Maria Diaz, Dominican Republic
Alejandro Diaz, United States
Eduvige Diaz Pachan de Bright, Dominican Republic
Victor Diaz, United States
Francisco Diaz, Dominican Republic
Luz Diaz, United States
D'Angelo Dilone, United States
Julia Dominguez, United States
Adriano Espino, Dominican Republic
Florentino Estrella, United States
Migulima Fabre, United States
Ilya Filanovsky, United States
Marra Filanovsky, United States
Lasar Flores, United States
Mariana Flores, United States
Lasar (Isaiah) Flores, United States
Anthony (Antonio) Forteza, United States
Nalda Galva de Reynoso, Dominican Republic
Milagros Garcia Perez, United States
Eduardo George, United States
Milton George, United States
Felix Gervacio, United States
Jose Gomez Contrera, United States
Carmen Gonzalez, United States
Pedro Gonzalez, Dominican Republic
Regina Gonzalez, United States
Sylvie Greleau, Great Britain
Altagracia Guerrero, United States
Dariana Guerrero, United States
Diomarys Guerrero, United States
Glenda Guzman, United States
Johnny Guzman, United States
Miguel Guzman, Jr., United States
Nicolasa Guzman de Mercedes, Dominican Republic
Marion Hartigan, United States
Carla Hernandez, United States
Joanny Hernandez, United States
Teofilo Hernandez, Dominican Republic
Juan Hernandez, Dominican Republic
Jean Heuze, France
Dario Hidalgo, United States
Yohanly Hidalgo, United States
Alexander Hodge, United States
Joseph Huber, United States
Frances Huber, United States
Sarah Huertas, United States
Jose Vicente Infante, United States
Yamil Jerez, United States
Humberto Jimenez, Dominican Republic
Jayke Jimenez, Dominican Republic
Roberto Jimenez Perez, United States
Yesica Jimenez, Dominican Republic
Jose LaFontaine, Dominican Republic
Melvin Landsman, United States
Elaine Landsman, United States
Luz Maria Lendof, Dominican Republic
Marcelina Liriano Guerrero, United States
Argentina Lopez, United States
Mercedes Lopez, United States
Emily Lopez, United States
Roberto Lopez Jr., United States
Jose Lora, United States
Karl Lora, United States
Mercedes Luciano de Veloz, United States
Ana Made, Dominican Republic
Maricio Made, Dominican Republic
Victor Marcano, United States
Digna Marte, Dominican Republic
Angel Martinez, United States
Sura Martinez, United States
German Martinez, Dominican Republic
Aurora Martinez, United States
Juan Martinez, Dominican Republic
Yanelly Martinez, United States
Ibelise, Martinez de Goris, Dominican Republic
Nieve Mason, Dominican Republic
Virgilia Mateo, United States
Dominga Matias, Dominican Republic
Nuris Matias, United States
Orlando Matos Perez, United States
Hilda Mayol, United States
Carmen Medina, Dominican Republic
Wilfrido Medrano, United States
Ashot Melikjanian, United States
Grace Mena, United States
Wilton Mendez, United States
Daisy Montalvo, United States
Diane Monte, United States
Remedios Montilla, Dominican Republic
Antonia Morales, United States
Luis Morales, United States
Efrain Mota, United States
Luis Munoz, United States
Alen Noboa, United States
Victoria Nova Rivera, United States
Aaliyah Nunez Reynoso, United States
Ana Nunez, Dominican Republic
Fatima Nunez, Dominican Republic
Siegried Objio, United States
Rosanna Ogando, Dominican Republic
Ramon Oviedo Germosa, United States
Yelisa Peralta, Dominican Republic
Ramon Peralta, Dominican Republic
Augusto Peralta, United States
Fernando Perez, United States
Carmen Perez, Dominican Republic
Jose Perez, Dominican Republic
Maria Perez Mendez, Dominican Republic
Luis Perreaux, United States
Jean Phanord, Haiti
Luis Pichardo, Dominican Republic
Ramona Pimentel, Dominican Republic
Nurys Polanco, United States
Ercilia Polanco, United States
Reyna Prospero, United States
Jose Ramirez, Dominican Republic
Joseph Ramirez, United States
Victor Ramirez, Dominican Republic
Rafael Ravelo, Dominican Republic
Eleuteria Reid-Hay, United States
Roberto Reyes, United States
Norbeto Rivera, United States
Julia Rodriguez, United States
Julio Rodriguez, United States
Maria Rodriguez, United States
Martina Rodriguez, United States
Ruben Rodriguez, United States
Lucia Rodriguez Almonte, United States
Juana Rojas Javier, Dominican Republic
Angel Rosa, United States
Whilman Rosa, United States
Jose Rosa Toledo, Dominican Republic
Danilo Rosario Castillo, Dominican Republic
Rosa Ruiz, United States
Gilbert Sanchez, United States
Johanna Sanchez, United States
Jose Sanchez, United States
Elvis Sanchez, United States
Felix Sanchez, United States
Luis Sanchez, United States
Timo Santala, United States
Iris Santana, Dominican Republic
Jose Siri, United States
Imelda Solis, United States
Daria Soriano de Batista, Dominican Republic
Asencion Sosa, United States
Franklin Soto, United States
Balbina Soto de Rodriguez, United States
Angela Suazo Perez, United States
Lina Tabar, Dominican Republic
Milagros Tabar, Dominican Republic
Maria Tatis, United States
Jose Tatis Minaya, Dominican Republic
Guadalupe Taveras, United States
Ivelisse Taveras, Dominican Republic
Adaline Tejeda, United States
Evelyn Tolentino, United States
Po Tseng, Taiwan
Feliciano Valera, United States
Maximo Valerio, Dominican Republic
Norma Valoy, United States
Maria Vargas, United States
Ilan Vaserman, Israel
Zeneida Vega, Dominican Republic
Braudilio Veloz, United States
Carlos Veloz, United States
Gloria Ventin, United States
Cristopher Ventin, United States
Maria del Carmen Ventura, Dominican Republic
Nicola Villella, United States
Kathleen Williams, United States
Cesar Zabala, United States

Here is a list of accidents:
http://www.airsafe.com/events/last_15.htm
It would seem that many makes are involved. There are different factors for each accident. Flying is not that safe!
S.

ArsenioALembertJr previously said:




Again, let me reiterate ABC2000, these countrymen of mine are what affect me.
Like the Forum is titled DT; I express the topic on this venue. The same way these are my concerns, not the rickshaw accident in Jakarta. You follow me?

I scratch when I itch; Not when someone down the block has the shingles......

I look out for my own knid; Just like everyone else.

So, that fateful flight on November 12, 2001 is still as if it wer yesterday to me. Those were my familia.
You probably remember Lockerbee? I remember Howard Beach. Flight 587

Glimmertwin previously said:

Arse:

Why go off on ABC ?

I understand that you were trying to link a faultiness to the Airbuses and abc's point was that there are many makes/models involved....

The fact that we all tend to care for our own first and then the rest of humanity is self implied.

ArsenioALembertJr previously said:




Back the heck up, G.

What and who I decide to address myself towards has nothing to do with you!
Let him or her speak for themselves; What are you looking for someone to rescue?
Or, just be a stick in the mud, make youself obnoxious like before?
When I decided to just ignore your persistent back and forth over trivial personal opinions?

What raised my curiosity was that flight 587 was also an Airbus plane. That's my focus, not whatever you or anyone else wants to read into what I said. I don't mince words; I say what I mean and mean what I say. I'm upfront and precise, not phony bologna kissy-kissy. Te la pongo clara!
Y, son lentejas, si quiere las cojes, o si no las dejas. This ain't no stick up!

Yes, I do care for mine first? What's wrong with that? Have you noticed the title of this forum?

NY4Life: Bro, that's what I'm talking about. It doesn't make sense. You know the feeling when on a gut-level something isn't Kosher? I smell a racoon!
I also remember that day vividly: I was in Hollywood Florida when it happened and saw the pics on TV and cried thoughtout the newscast and through the night. MI gente, inocente, morir de esa forma. A whole plane load of our people. That made me repent from many things I'd done or hadn't done. And it was a landmark date for me. No matter what any insesitive moron says it was another stab at my heart, coming just two months and 1 day after September 11, was just too much to bear, bro.

On another note. I have a son that works right accross the street from (The WTC) Ground ZERO. He went for his final interview accross from WTC, on Monday-September 10, 2001. He missed the destruction by one day! Is that a miracle or what? He's been working there since then, 9/10/2001. Besides that, a friend of the family, and kid I saw grow up from a toddler (my Dad gave him Christmas presents every year) to finally get his own office way up on the upper floors; That young man who done good DIED that Terrible Tuesday. I also have a daughter that works in the Wall Street area (for 10 years), and when things like these consecutive disasters, black-outs, lock-downs happen, I go nuts worrying about my adult kids, and my family in Manhattan, you know? No cell-phone signals, phone lines are busy or out of order. It's like vertigo and a migrane at the same time.