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The Dilemma Of Walking Away From A Mortgage
The Dilemma Of Walking Away From A Mortgage

by Yuki Noguchi

October 28, 2010
Listen to the Story




Grace Chen and her husband, Antonis Orphanou, stand outside their home in Mountain View, Calif.

October 28, 2010

To pay or not to pay is the question now facing some homeowners — not because they can't afford their mortgage, but because they don't want to keep paying on a home that's lost value.

But even as they gain popularity, strategic defaults are highly controversial — some might say immoral. About a quarter of American homeowners took out loans that are bigger than their homes are now worth, and some of them say it's simply irrational for them to keep paying the mortgage.

Grace Chen and her husband, Antonis Orphanou, have this debate about their own home. From the outside, there is nothing to flag them as troubled homeowners. They haven't lost their jobs. Their interest rate has stayed the same. They are not counted among the legions headed to foreclosure. In fact, they haven't missed a single mortgage payment.

But they're tempted to.

A 'Bad Investment'

Chen is no financial novice. She's a CPA who works for a California venture capital firm, but, she admits they made a big mistake.

"We made a bad investment," Chen says. But she adds, "I'm from a finance background. It makes no economic sense for us to hold onto this asset."

This asset — their home in Mountain View, Calif., bought for nearly $1 million — is now worth $200,000 less, just three years later. They can't refinance because the value of the home has dropped so much.

"It's just frustrating, because I'm just trying to do the right thing," Chen says with a sigh. "But I think we have to take care of our own business, too, if we're not going to get any help."

'Throwing Money Away'

The help they're asking for is a loan modification with an interest-rate reduction from their lender, Bank of America. For the past year, Chen has spent countless lunch hours on the phone with the bank. She wants the lender to reduce their interest rate.

Until now, it's been her husband who's made the argument for walking away. He points to similar-sized houses down the street that rent for a third of their mortgage payment.

"I personally feel like our money just evaporates; it's as if we're just throwing money away," Orphanou says.

Chen says she's usually the type to immediately pay all her bills online, but when it comes to the mortgage, she procrastinates.

"Sometimes, if it falls on a weekend, I won't make that payment until the following Monday. I mean, that's how it's gotten to me," she says. "It's like I don't want to give them the money until the last possible minute. Maybe it's going to be one day I'm not going to make that click. And it'll be like, 'Oh well, we just missed that payment.'"

Concern Over Employer Screening

The thing that holds Chen back from defaulting is her worry that a foreclosure would limit future job opportunities in her field, because employers often screen job applicants' credit.

The mere fact that people like Chen and Orphanou are considering a strategic default does not bode well for the housing market, which already stands on a shaky foundation.

William Wheaton, an economics professor at MIT who studies real estate, says lots of strategic defaults "would really mean another tidal wave" for the housing market.

Millions At Risk

Wheaton estimates about 2.5 million homeowners are at risk of strategic default. Buyers overpaid and lenders enabled and even encouraged the overspending, he says, so the banks "should share in the pain."

For Wheaton, that means pressuring banks to refinance homes, and allowing homeowners and lenders to share in the upside if the house is later sold at a higher price. He says this creates incentives for homeowners not to leave, and for lenders to meet them halfway.

This is not a solution the American Bankers Association supports.

"We believe people should meet their contractual obligations when they have the ability to meet them," says Robert Davis, the executive vice president of the banking group.

Buyer's regret is simply not a good reason to abandon a home, or leave a community with a vacant home, he says.

Chen says she's heard that argument before. She'd spent two hours in a heated exchange with a friend who told her she was wrong to seek any help at all — and to even consider walking away.

"He felt like his taxpayer dollars are going to help people like me, and he didn't like that at all," she says, her voice a little raspy. "I get that. I get what he's saying."

And while she understands, she's not at all sure she and her husband are going to keep making those payments.





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It's worse in Spain!

In Spain, Homes Are Taken but Debt Stays
By SUZANNE DALEY
Published: October 27, 2010


MADRID — Manolo Marbán, 59, is still living in his house in Toledo and going to work in the small pink-and-aqua pet grooming shop he bought here in 2006, when he got swept up in Spain’s giddy real estate boom.
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Manolo Marbán, a pet groomer in Madrid, lost his home and his grooming shop to foreclosure and will still owe after eviction.


The daughter of Mario Gozálvez may spend her life paying off his debts because she acted as a guarantor in a deal gone sour.

But Mr. Marbán does not own either anymore. The bank foreclosed on both properties last April, and he is waiting for the courts to issue the eviction notices. For most Americans facing foreclosure, that is the end of it. But for Mr. Marbán and thousands of others here, it is just the beginning of their troubles. When the gavel falls on his case, he will still owe the bank more than $140,000. “I will be working for the bank for the rest of my life,” Mr. Marbán said recently, tears welling in his eyes. “I will never own anything — not even a car.”

The real estate and banking excesses in Spain were a lot like those in the United States. Construction boomed, prices rose at an astonishing pace and banks gave out loans just as fast, often to customers like Mr. Marbán, who used the equity in his house to finance a mortgage for his shop. But those days are over. Spain now has the highest unemployment rate in the euro zone — 20 percent — and real estate prices are dropping. For many Spaniards, no longer able to pay their mortgages, the fine print in the deals they agreed to years ago is catching up with them.

Not only are Spanish mortgage holders personally liable for the full amount of the loan, but throw in penalty interest charges and tens of thousands of dollars in court fees, and people can end up, like Mr. Marbán, facing a mountain of debt. Bankruptcy is not the answer, either. Mortgage debt is specifically excluded here.

“Effectively, you can never get rid of this debt,” said Ada Colau, a human rights lawyer who works for Plataforma, a new advocacy group formed both to give legal advice to homeowners and to push for reform of the country’s foreclosure laws. “Other countries in the European Union also have personal debt mortgages, but you can go to the courts and get relief. Not in Spain.”

Several opposition parties in Parliament have been pressing for amendments to the country’s foreclosure laws, including letting mortgage defaulters settle their debts with the bank by turning over the property. But the government of José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero has opposed such a major change in lending practices. Government officials say Spain’s system of personal guarantees saved its banks from the turmoil seen in the United States.

“It is true that we are living a hangover of a huge real estate binge,” said Marcos Vaquer, who was the under secretary of the Housing Ministry until a government reshuffle last week. “And it is true that far too many Spaniards have excessive debt. But we have not seen the problems of the U.S. because the guarantees here are so much better.”

Immigrants who moved to this country in the boom years and were the first to lose their jobs in the downturn, like Jaime Abelardo, have been the most severely affected so far. Mr. Abelardo arrived in Barcelona from Ecuador in 1999 with the promise of a job in a warehouse. A few years later, he could afford to bring his family over and buy a tiny apartment. Or so he thought. But within two years, he was laid off. He blames himself for not having been more cautious. Still, he cannot get over the figures printed on the dog-eared papers he has received from the bank.

They say he now owes nearly 260,000 euros, almost $360,000, which includes about 77,000 euros to cover all court costs, including the bank’s, his lawyer said. He bought the apartment for less than that — about 220,000 euros, he thinks, though many aspects of the deal were never clear to him. His wife has left him. His unemployment payments are about to run out. He would like to go back to Ecuador with his four children, but he does not have enough money. “I’m thinking about shooting myself,” he said.

An estimated 1.4 million Spaniards are facing potential foreclosure proceedings, according to Spain’s consumer protection association, known as the Adicae. Recent figures from the courts show that the numbers are rising fast. In 2007, there were just 26,000 foreclosures. Last year, there were more than 93,000. Early indications suggest that they will be higher again in 2010.

A recent Standard & Poor’s report found that 8 percent of Spain’s housing is now worth less than the value of the mortgage, and with prices continuing to fall, experts believe, that figure could rise to 20 percent.

Advocates say that Spain’s foreclosure procedures tilt far too much in favor of the banks, virtually guaranteeing that mortgage defaulters will end up owing large amounts after they lose their homes.

Banks have the right to auction houses in foreclosure. If no buyers appear, as is often the case these days, the bank can take ownership of the house for 50 percent of its value, according to the estimate either at the time of purchase, or at the current time, depending on what the mortgage specifies. The banks then have 15 years to go after the homeowner.

If the banks initiate proceedings at any point, the clock starts ticking again, experts say. In the meantime, the bank can charge interest on that debt.

Montse Andrés Sabaté, a lawyer with Ausbanc, a consumer association that specializes in banking services, says the banks usually charge 5 or 6 percent, but sometimes much more. “We’ve seen 18 or even 19 percent,” Ms. Andrés said.


And then there is the matter of guarantors. Bankers pressed many homeowners to find guarantors at the time they took out the mortgages or when they began to struggle to make payments. Mario Gozálvez, a truck driver, asked his 23-year-old daughter to act as a guarantor when he used the equity in his Barcelona apartment to buy a truck three years ago. At the time, she did not even have a job, and he thought of it as a silly formality. Now, she faces a lifetime of paying off his debts.

“She may not be able to inherit anything from her mother because the bank can seize it,” Mr. Gozálvez said. “No one explains this.”

Early in the crisis, experts say, the banks were lenient with immigrants who had no assets and accepted the property as payment for the loan. But some advocates say they are tougher now. Under the law, the banks have the right to collect a percentage of a debtor’s income if it is above $835 a month.

Santos González Sánchez, the chairman of the Spanish Mortgage Association, says it is the bank’s duty to try to collect. “This helps to explain why our financial entities have not gone bankrupt,” he said.

Personal liability mortgages are common in Europe. But advocates here say that aspects of Spain’s procedures — how quickly banks can foreclose, the interest rates they can charge and the repayment schedules they can demand — are particularly severe. This month, even Mr. Zapatero’s party joined in voting for a parliamentary motion to slow foreclosure proceedings.

Mr. Marbán knew he was in trouble within months of buying the pet store as his business began to taper off. To keep the bank from foreclosing, he gave it whatever he could scrape together. At one point, he sold his car at a huge discount to meet a payment. Eventually, he sold his wife’s gold bracelet.

But it was no good. He could never catch up on what he owed.

“It’s funny, when I finally lost the house, I started sleeping,” he said. “I cry sometimes, but at least I sleep now.”

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The Dilemma Of Walking Away From A Mortgage

by Yuki Noguchi

October 28, 2010
Listen to the Story




Grace Chen and her husband, Antonis Orphanou, stand outside their home in Mountain View, Calif.

October 28, 2010

To pay or not to pay is the question now facing some homeowners — not because they can't afford their mortgage, but because they don't want to keep paying on a home that's lost value.

But even as they gain popularity, strategic defaults are highly controversial — some might say immoral. About a quarter of American homeowners took out loans that are bigger than their homes are now worth, and some of them say it's simply irrational for them to keep paying the mortgage.

Grace Chen and her husband, Antonis Orphanou, have this debate about their own home. From the outside, there is nothing to flag them as troubled homeowners. They haven't lost their jobs. Their interest rate has stayed the same. They are not counted among the legions headed to foreclosure. In fact, they haven't missed a single mortgage payment.

But they're tempted to.

A 'Bad Investment'

Chen is no financial novice. She's a CPA who works for a California venture capital firm, but, she admits they made a big mistake.

"We made a bad investment," Chen says. But she adds, "I'm from a finance background. It makes no economic sense for us to hold onto this asset."

This asset — their home in Mountain View, Calif., bought for nearly $1 million — is now worth $200,000 less, just three years later. They can't refinance because the value of the home has dropped so much.

"It's just frustrating, because I'm just trying to do the right thing," Chen says with a sigh. "But I think we have to take care of our own business, too, if we're not going to get any help."

'Throwing Money Away'

The help they're asking for is a loan modification with an interest-rate reduction from their lender, Bank of America. For the past year, Chen has spent countless lunch hours on the phone with the bank. She wants the lender to reduce their interest rate.

Until now, it's been her husband who's made the argument for walking away. He points to similar-sized houses down the street that rent for a third of their mortgage payment.

"I personally feel like our money just evaporates; it's as if we're just throwing money away," Orphanou says.

Chen says she's usually the type to immediately pay all her bills online, but when it comes to the mortgage, she procrastinates.

"Sometimes, if it falls on a weekend, I won't make that payment until the following Monday. I mean, that's how it's gotten to me," she says. "It's like I don't want to give them the money until the last possible minute. Maybe it's going to be one day I'm not going to make that click. And it'll be like, 'Oh well, we just missed that payment.'"

Concern Over Employer Screening

The thing that holds Chen back from defaulting is her worry that a foreclosure would limit future job opportunities in her field, because employers often screen job applicants' credit.

The mere fact that people like Chen and Orphanou are considering a strategic default does not bode well for the housing market, which already stands on a shaky foundation.

William Wheaton, an economics professor at MIT who studies real estate, says lots of strategic defaults "would really mean another tidal wave" for the housing market.

Millions At Risk

Wheaton estimates about 2.5 million homeowners are at risk of strategic default. Buyers overpaid and lenders enabled and even encouraged the overspending, he says, so the banks "should share in the pain."

For Wheaton, that means pressuring banks to refinance homes, and allowing homeowners and lenders to share in the upside if the house is later sold at a higher price. He says this creates incentives for homeowners not to leave, and for lenders to meet them halfway.

This is not a solution the American Bankers Association supports.

"We believe people should meet their contractual obligations when they have the ability to meet them," says Robert Davis, the executive vice president of the banking group.

Buyer's regret is simply not a good reason to abandon a home, or leave a community with a vacant home, he says.

Chen says she's heard that argument before. She'd spent two hours in a heated exchange with a friend who told her she was wrong to seek any help at all — and to even consider walking away.

"He felt like his taxpayer dollars are going to help people like me, and he didn't like that at all," she says, her voice a little raspy. "I get that. I get what he's saying."

And while she understands, she's not at all sure she and her husband are going to keep making those payments.








People should walk away - if enough of them do then there will be little stigma. In the UK if a person files for personal bankrupcy some jobs will be closed to that person for 3- 5 years and loans will be difficult for a period.
But banks in the US overlent and are culpable.

S.
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