| #1 - Posted 20 September 2010, 11:32 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10352 | Could DR enter the car businss. Murray, a F1 designer has come up with a new car that can be built with low cost facilities: F1 designer Gordon Murray unveils lightweight city carBy Jorn Madslien Business reporter, BBC News, Shalford, Surrey Imagine a car so narrow that two can drive next to each other in one lane; a car so small and short that three can park in one parking space. Continue reading the main story Global Car IndustryCongestion solved? Massive Mini targets families Formula 1 sponsors form alliance Long road to travel Now imagine that the car is built in a shed from glass fibre, recycled plastic bottles and hollow steel tubes, using just a fifth of the material required to build a conventional car. Such a vehicle would have the potential to prevent gridlock on the world's roads as the number of cars quadruples to 2.5 billion by 2020. It could also help hundreds of millions of people achieve their dream of owning a car, without depleting scarce resources such as water, energy or steel. Well, that car has been made. It seats three, weighs just 575kg, has a top speed of almost 100mph and is expected to cost about £6,000 ($9,000). Legendary cars The man behind the project is Professor Gordon Murray, long hailed by speed-loving petrolheads as an automotive hero. During the 70s and early 80s, Prof Murray earned his spurs as a Formula 1 racing car designer, churning out cars that won a string of Grand Prix races and World Championships for Bernie Ecclestone's Brabham. Prof Murray earned his spurs designing Formula 1 and supercars for the road Next he joined McLaren where he repeated the exercise, producing the Formula 1 car that earned Ayrton Senna his first championship, before penning two legendary road cars: The F1, which held the title as the world's fastest road car for years, and the gull-winged Mercedes SLR McLaren. But six years ago, Prof Murray stepped off the Formula 1 merry-go-round to pursue a dream - one that he hopes could change forever the way cars are being built. "I had made enough racing cars and sports cars by then," he says. "I'm the sort of person who needs a new challenge all the time. I like to take something and disrupt it." 'Formula 1 thinking' The embodiment of Prof Murray's dream is tucked away in a modest brick building on an industrial site in Surrey. Here, Prof Murray's team - the same one that he worked with at McLaren - has built a tiny city car - the T.25. "Over a 15-year period at McLaren, that team became probably the most powerful roadcar team on the planet, and now I've got them all here," he grins. The T.25 has no doors; instead it opens as the front tilts forward The T.25 copies the F1 supercar's three-seat interior design, with the driver in the middle and the passengers behind. And like the F1, the citycar is built using composite materials - only cheaper ones. The body panels and the monocoque, or base, of the car are reinforced with glass, which costs a fraction of carbon, Prof Murray says. "Some of the fibres are random, some are woven and some are unidirectional, and that's Formula 1 thinking," he explains. It all sits on a flimsy steel tube frame that Prof Murray acknowledges "is nowhere near strong enough on its own". But once the monocoque is glued into the frame, in a process similar to how a windscreen is glued into a car body, it becomes "as sturdy and safe as a conventional car". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11301831 DR would need less road and parking space. S. |
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| #2 - Posted 20 September 2010, 12:14 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: June 2008 Member #: 855 Posts: 184 | RE: Could DR enter the car businss. Not a good idea, they do not contain enough scrap metal |
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| #3 - Posted 20 September 2010, 1:03 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17814 | RE: Could DR enter the car businss. please forgive me for being quizzical, ABC, but what the heck does this article have to do with Dominicans entering the car business? |
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| #4 - Posted 20 September 2010, 1:18 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10352 | RE: Could DR enter the car businss. Quote: dreadlocks previously said: please forgive me for being quizzical, ABC, but what the heck does this article have to do with Dominicans entering the car business? Seems you can get a license to make these cars and the facilities are low cost. S. |
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| #5 - Posted 20 September 2010, 2:34 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17814 | RE: Could DR enter the car businss. and just who is going to make these vehicles, pray tell? i mean, do we have a reservoir of car assembly technicians sitting on their hands? besides, would they be suited to the Dr, given their obvious fragility? how long would they last on these roads? |
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| #6 - Posted 20 September 2010, 3:37 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12073 | RE: Could DR enter the car businss. Well, ABC200, at least this idea of yours my contain a grain of possibility. Namely, the DR could be used as a component assembler and gradually work up to multiple components and so forth. But I have to agree with Dread here, DR is in no way, shape or form ready for an Automobile manufacturing process. It would be truly wonderful if DR got to participate in car manufacturing and work itself up to making many components in DR; but the future appears to hold a small piece of the pie, and many different countries specializing in one or more component with the final pieces being assembled at the actual selling country site. Perhaps DR will serve the enormous NAFTA market via CAFTA_DR and become one of those small component platforms. Edited on 9/20/2010 3:44 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #7 - Posted 20 September 2010, 8:06 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17814 | RE: Could DR enter the car businss. it is a matter of scale. some guy in Jamaic has been making cars for the better part of a decade. they are not state of the art, nor thrilling to look at. but they are tough, reliable, utilitarian, and a breeze to maintain and repair. they are used in the rental business. so, i guess it could be attempted here, but, on a limited scale. the oligarchs who control the auto business would probably not like the idea, unless they could control that , too. |
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| #8 - Posted 20 September 2010, 8:08 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17814 | RE: Could DR enter the car businss. Atabey speculates Perhaps DR will serve the enormous NAFTA market via CAFTA_DR and become one of those small component platforms. never happen. cannot compete with the Pacific Rim. |
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| #9 - Posted 20 September 2010, 8:24 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12073 | RE: Could DR enter the car businss. Quote: dreadlocks previously said: Atabey speculates Perhaps DR will serve the enormous NAFTA market via CAFTA_DR and become one of those small component platforms. never happen. cannot compete with the Pacific Rim. Look at the Korean investors coming into Haiti. The US put in some calls and requested they invest in Haiti. The final product would enter the US market without tariff. And these sorts of deals are conditioned and made from time to time. It's a bit similar to what the US attempted to do back in 1966 with the DR. Development via Export industrialization. Haiti's costs structure CAN compete with Asia; it has to be harnessed. With an open market NAFTA, CAFTA-DR, Europe, good management, good training, and none of that BS socialism interfering, Haiti will become a success story. As Buchi said: Chapter 5: Work, Capital and Freedom "After moving in one direction for decades, turning in the opposite direction is not easy. It is not easy to internalize that yesterday's truths and core concepts were mistaken. I remember a question asked by Chilean labor lawyer to a government official in Hong Kong during a visit by a Chilean government and business mission to that country in the late seventies. They showed us impressive evidence of the economy's dynamism, and the lawyer asked: "Yes, that's all very well, but what is the minimum wage and where are the laws protecting workers?" The official, without batting an eyelid, answered with another question: "Do you want us to suffer unemployment? With the enormous amount of Chinese immigrants that we have annually, and the terrible poverty conditions in which they come to our country, our challenge is to expand employment, not obstruct it." - Büchi, p. 95 The US perhaps has finally realized that it's time to move on Haiti, and only a viable Haiti will stem the on going agony and tragedy of the place. Exports and possibly tourism are the keys to making Haiti a viable state and nation. This is wonderful news for DR as a viable and more prosperous Haiti is DR's greatest friend and CUSTOMER. And Leonel may get some of these cookies-investments for DR, too. So cheer up Dread, the US may yet put a smile on your face. It's only September and the leaves have yet to turn colors. Edited on 9/20/2010 8:44 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #10 - Posted 20 September 2010, 8:47 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17814 | RE: Could DR enter the car businss. actually, Atabey, in my world, at least, there is a difference between expressing an interest, and doing something. that intermediate little step is called feasibility studies. so, if the Koreans see where Haiti has the infrastructure and human capital needed to make ventures feasible, they will move on to the final phase. that is how i think things are usually done in the world of commerce. |
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