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RE: SAMMY SOSA IN THE HALL OF FAME? ....NOT ANYTIME SOON
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you have blinders on these guys Corky and the rest are baseball lepers ...where do you see any positive ink on Corky except maybe in the DR not even in Chicago do they think he is going to Cooperstown ...it is a joke they dont have to prove anything everybody knows it


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Out of the EIGHT sportswriters presented by Yum, SEVEN said yes, that they would vote for Sosa to HOF....

What the hell is your beef? Do you feel your sports knowledge to be higher than those?

those guys are the only ones the approval numbers are abysmal ....it wont happen


It's about time someone put this into perspective. players using steroids is not the worst thing to happen to baseball. for the most part the playing field was level because 85% of players the were cheating. this is obscured in all of the morally outraged focused on hitters. it's the number of pitchers who have violated the PED policy. Chances are, most of the home runs hit by Sosa, McGuire, Bonds, A Rod, and others were hit off of pitchers who were using steroids as well. And when it was revealed that Perry, Drysdale, and Sutton doctored the ball to get an advantage, everybody thought it was funny.
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#22 - Posted 12 June 2009, 4:25 PM
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Sosa has never been linked like berry and arod. He will be in... trust me There is no proof that he used hgh, until that changes he is on the way into Hall of Fame. 5 years from now this will not be a big deal. Also, AROD will also be in there, Sammy made a ton of money for mlb he put them back on the map at a time when the NBA and NHL were hotter than baseball
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Sosa has never been linked like berry and arod. He will be in... trust me There is no proof that he used hgh, until that changes he is on the way into Hall of Fame. 5 years from now this will not be a big deal. Also, AROD will also be in there, Sammy made a ton of money for mlb he put them back on the map at a time when the NBA and NHL were hotter than baseball



I think Sammy will get in. It's never been proven that he used steroids and if as such we only have his numbers to by which more than warrant his entry into the Hall of Fame. Arod will never get in. Fuggettabboutit.
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Sosa has never been linked like berry and arod. He will be in... trust me There is no proof that he used hgh, until that changes he is on the way into Hall of Fame. 5 years from now this will not be a big deal. Also, AROD will also be in there, Sammy made a ton of money for mlb he put them back on the map at a time when the NBA and NHL were hotter than baseball



I think Sammy will get in. It's never been proven that he used steroids and if as such we only have his numbers to by which more than warrant his entry into the Hall of Fame. Arod will never get in. Fuggettabboutit.

another dreamer " Corky " was a cheater and all the people or a majority of the people who vote know he was a cheater as well This is a quote from a Chicago sportswriter......" Whether or not Sammy wants to admit it, his name is always going to be connected to the steroids cloud that continues to hang over his sport. Granted, nobody has ever proven that he used any performance-enhancing drugs, but comparing the pictures of a skinny Sosa in 1989 and an Incredible Hulk-like Sosa in 2000 suggest a serious change in physique. And in looking at a picture from his 2007 season with the Rangers, it seemed almost as if somebody took a pin and popped all the air out of him.

My brother and I actually attended the game in 2007 when Sammy hit his 600th home run and I can still remember the first words my brother uttered when he saw No. 21 for the first time. "Holy [crap]!" he said. "Sammy looks like he is half the size he used to be."
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Published: June 16, 2009

Sammy Sosa, who joined with Mark McGwire in 1998 in a celebrated pursuit of baseball’s single-season home run record, is among the players who tested positive for a performance-enhancing drug in 2003, according to lawyers with knowledge of the drug-testing results from that year.


At a March 2005 hearing called by the House Government Reform Committee, Sammy Sosa denied using performance-enhancing drugs.

The disclosure that Sosa tested positive makes him the latest baseball star of the last two decades to be linked to performance-enhancers, a group that now includes McGwire, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez and Rafael Palmeiro.

Sosa, who is sixth on Major League Baseball’s career home run list and last played in 2007, had long been suspected of using performance-enhancing drugs but until now had never been publicly linked to a positive test.

In a recent interview with ESPN Deportes, Sosa, 40, said he would “calmly wait” for his induction into baseball’s Hall of Fame, for which he will become eligible for induction in 2013. But his 2003 positive test, when he played for the Chicago Cubs, may seriously damage his chances of gaining entry to the Hall, a fate encountered by McGwire, who has attracted relatively little support from voters in his first three years on the ballot.

The 2003 positive test could also create legal troubles for Sosa because he testified under oath before Congress at a public hearing in 2005 that he had “never taken illegal performance-enhancing drugs.”

The 2003 test that ensnared Sosa was the first such test conducted by Major League Baseball. Under guidelines agreed upon with the players union, the test results were to remain anonymous but would lead to testing with penalties the next year if more than 5 percent of the results were positive.

That is indeed what occurred. But for reasons never made completely clear, the test results were not destroyed by the players union and the 104 positives were subsequently seized by federal agents on the West Coast investigating matters related to the distribution of drugs to athletes.

The union immediately filed court papers alleging that the agents had illegally seized the tests, and over the past six years judges at various levels of the federal court system have been weighing whether the government can keep them. An 11-judge panel in California is preparing to rule in the case, but regardless of its verdict, the losing side is expected to appeal to the United States Supreme Court.

As the union feared, the names on the list have begun to emerge. In February, Sports Illustrated reported that Rodriguez was on the 2003 list, and Rodriguez subsequently acknowledged that he had used steroids for three years. Now, Sosa’s name has been disclosed.

The lawyers who had knowledge of Sosa’s inclusion on the 2003 list did not know the substance for which Sosa tested positive. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they did not want to be identified as discussing material that is sealed by a court order.

A lawyer for Sosa, Jay Reisinger, declined comment, as did an official with Major League Baseball.

Sosa, who lives in the Dominican Republic, became a national figure with the Chicago Cubs in 1998, when he and McGwire, of the St. Louis Cardinals, engaged in a compelling race to overtake Roger Maris’s single-season home run record of 61. McGwire passed Maris first and ended up with 70 home runs. Sosa followed close behind with 66.

In the seasons that followed, Sosa exceeded 60 home runs on two more occasions. But he was fading as a player when he traveled to Washington in March 2005 to testify with Palmeiro and McGwire and others at a hearing called by the House Government Reform Committee to examine the use of performance-enhancing drugs in baseball.

At the hearing, Sosa testified that “everything” he had heard “about steroids and human growth hormones is that they are bad for you, even lethal” and that he “would never put anything dangerous like that” in his body.

“To be clear,” he added, “I have never taken illegal performance-enhancing drugs. I have never injected myself or had anyone inject me with anything.”

During that hearing, McGwire, by then retired, repeatedly declined to answer questions about possible drug use, saying he was not there to talk about the past. His statements were widely viewed as an admission of guilt, and since then he has had little involvement with baseball except for privately serving as a hitting tutor for several major leaguers. To win election to the Hall of Fame, a player must be named on 75 percent of the ballots cast; McGwire has yet to be named on 25 percent of them.

At that same hearing, Palmeiro pointed his finger at committee members as he said: “I have never used steroids. Period.” Five months later, he was suspended for 10 games as a result of a positive steroids test.

The committee declined to ask the Justice Department to investigate him for perjury, in part because it felt it could not establish that Palmeiro was lying at the time he testified.

Unlike Palmeiro, Sosa testified after he had tested positive, not before, but it is not clear if the committee will want to pursue the matter.

The committee did refer Clemens to the Justice Department for investigation of perjury after he repeatedly denied using performance-enhancing drugs in a public hearing in 2008, and Clemens’s statements are now being studied by a federal grand jury.

Bonds, who set a single-season home run record of 73 just three years after McGwire hit 70, holds the career mark for home runs, with 762. He is also the target of legal proceedings: he is awaiting trial on charges that he lied to a federal grand jury in December 2003 when he testified that he never knowingly used performance-enhancers.

Like Sosa, Bonds and Clemens last played in 2007 and, at this point, also seem destined to appear on the 2013 Hall of Fame ballot. That fact, in itself, would seem to guarantee that the issue of drug use in baseball is likely to reverberate for years to com
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Thanks yum I am no big fan of pete rose but he was 100 % baseball player not like the cheaters it would be unfair to skip him for this new group of cheaters who obviously juiced up


Oh yeah, I'll tell you this..... Sosa will be in the HOF before PEtey, why ? bcs there is nothing on Sosa .. NOTHING !

Pete, on the other hand , is a different story. I have always understood that he bet against his team nad that is unforgiveable!!!! But again thats something he did as manager not a player , and that is hard to take but I can reconcile it.

Sammy the cheater got caught didn't he . ....Nothing on Sammy you said
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