| #371 - Posted 19 October 2009, 10:28 AM | |
Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13941 | RE: DT.com Boxing Lounge: Super Six Tournament - Stage 1 Quote: Manhattanite previously said: Let ne tell you a funny story about the Froch vs Tirrell fight. Tup what did you think of Froch vs Dirrell????? I really felt genuinely bad for Jermaine Taylor. I'm not a fan, and never have been. Nothing personal, but he guy was a tool of the HBO hype machine. But to lose that way twice, and both times to the kind of fighter a champion boxer is supposed to handle... super humiliation I recorded it on Tivo and when watching it, the program stopped at the start of THE 12th ROUND!!.....I didn't get to see the result!..... But what I saw was two so-called boxers not being able to figure the other out...... Both are beatable and I can't believe a guy like Froch is a champion.........he is to easy to hit it's sickening.....him and Abraham say they want to be well known in the US......guess again!......they better keep fighting in their homelands. I am telling you, it's looking like that tournament is becoming a joke. NONE of those fighters impress me...NONE OF THEM. The only one you can say something about is Kessler and it's already known that he is more hype than anything else.......the second he fought someone who had much more talent than him, he lost. To me, the Froch-Tirrel fight was so boring that I didn't blink an eye when my box told me "end of program" before the fight ended. If you want to tell me who won, fine.....but I really don't care........yes, that's how bored out of my mind I was. I am "An Army Of One" ![]() Come Get Some!!. |
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| #372 - Posted 20 October 2009, 10:35 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 2120 | RE: DT.com Boxing Lounge: Floyd Mayweather VS JM Marquez (GRANDMASTERS) Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Just watched last night's fight between Taylor vs Abraham, which Abraham won via knockout 11 seconds before the end of the fight. Well while I got everyone's attention I want to make sure everyone hears about this. 2009 = the best year boxing has had in a LOOONG time. Mayweather/JMM, Cotto/Pacquiao, and Paul Williams/Kelly Pavlik just a few of the fights still to come but also if you are a true boxing fan and have Showtime or know someone who does do not miss this: ![]() Six man round-robin style tournament to determine an undisputed champion in a super-competitive division. 3 Americans and 3 Europeans. Everyone there has either been a world champion or a battle-tested Olympian. # Both the World Boxing Council (WBC) and the World Boxing Association (WBA) titles will be on the line at the outset of tournament competition; # Each boxer will fight three bouts against different opponents in the Group Stage— round-robin, points-based competition; # Points will be awarded after each bout. Scoring is as follows: Win — 2 points (with a 1-point KO/TKO bonus) Draw — 1 point Loss — 0 points # Following the Group Stage, the top four point scorers qualify for the Semi-Finals); # Semi-Finals will match the point leader against the fourth place fighter and the second versus the third in single-elimination bouts # The winners of the Semi-Final bouts advance to the Final. http://sports.sho.com/world-boxing-classic.html I can't understand how can a fighter like Taylor burn out so fast............he is shadow of the boxer who beat Hopkins twice. I hope he retires soon and stop playing with his life.....he has nothing left. He is still in denial and will continue with the tournament......eventually he will realize that if a boxer like Abraham beats you, you need to retire...... Abraham gets 3 points......2 for the win and 1 for the knockout. "he is shadow of the boxer who beat Hopkins twice." LOLLOLOL according to the judges he beat hopkins twice but anybody with a keen boxing eye knows that taylor did not win either of those fights. i do believe in the second fight you can make a better case for taylor but gimme a break. how far past his prime is hopkins who continues to fight at such a high level! |
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| #373 - Posted 22 October 2009, 5:06 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1984 | RE: DT.com Boxing Lounge: Super Six Tournament - Stage 1 Froch-Dirrell was an ugly fight, no question. I thought Dirrell won by a wide margin. Froch looked like an amateur swinging at nothing. The decision was terrible , a bad way to start the tournament. Neither of these two is winning the whole thing ... Dirrell doesn't want to fight he is dancing, and Froch should not get past Kessler. Taylor should drop out and let in Bute. There is a good UFC main event this weekend, Machida vs Rua for LHW championship. |
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| #374 - Posted 26 October 2009, 5:57 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3809 Posts: 10126 | Maskaev’s last chance to beat Klitschko Published 26 October, 2009, 14:01 Former heavyweight champion of the world, Oleg Maskaev of Russia, has been given perhaps his last chance to retain the WBC belt. Yahoo StumbleUpon Google Live Technorati del.icio.us Digg Reddit Mixx Propeller According to a WBC decision, in order to do so, the 40-year-old will have to win two consecutive bouts. The first one will be held on December 11, in which Maskaev (36 wins and 6 losses) will face the opposition of Nagy Aguilera of the Dominican Republic (14 wins and 2 losses). However, Aguilera can hardly be regarded as an elite fighter. In case Maskaev comes out the winner of this fight, his next opponent – and the last but one obstacle on his way towards WBC belt – will be American Ray Austin (27 wins, 4 draws and 4 losses), nicknamed The Rainman. If Maskaev claims a 100 percent record in these two fights, he will have every right to challenge current WBC champion Vitaly Klitschko. The latter, however, will have to defend his title in a bout against Calvin Jones on December 12. al capo di tutti capi de los trolls |
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| #375 - Posted 27 October 2009, 2:38 PM | |
Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13941 | RE: DT.com Boxing Lounge: Super Six Tournament - Stage 1 Quote: Manhattanite previously said: To be honest, yo tampoco know who will win the tournament........and i honestly don't care........none of them impress me much.Froch-Dirrell was an ugly fight, no question. I thought Dirrell won by a wide margin. Froch looked like an amateur swinging at nothing. The decision was terrible , a bad way to start the tournament. Neither of these two is winning the whole thing ... Dirrell doesn't want to fight he is dancing, and Froch should not get past Kessler. Taylor should drop out and let in Bute. There is a good UFC main event this weekend, Machida vs Rua for LHW championship. I am "An Army Of One" ![]() Come Get Some!!. |
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| #376 - Posted 12 November 2009, 1:03 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1984 | RE: DT.com Boxing Lounge: Cotto vs. Pacquiao 11/14 Well I think we all got our opinions and predictions out some months back, so I'm only checking if anyone has changed their minds after seeing the HBO 24/7 episodes on each fighter's training camp. I'm sticking with Cotto, via late stoppage or razor thin decision. I think Cotto needs to get himself a real corner and a real trainer. Lucky for him I think Manny has made some mental errors in preparation as well. I think we all caught that glimpse of Castillo whooping on his ass, and it makes me think he has been too busy being a star. We'll see on Saturday night! Did anyone happen to watch Haye vs Valuev last Saturday, or Fedor vs. Rogers? |
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| #377 - Posted 12 November 2009, 1:21 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5683 | RE: DT.com Boxing Lounge: Cotto vs. Pacquiao 11/14 Quote: Manhattanite previously said: Well I think we all got our opinions and predictions out some months back, so I'm only checking if anyone has changed their minds after seeing the HBO 24/7 episodes on each fighter's training camp. I'm sticking with Cotto, via late stoppage or razor thin decision. I think Cotto needs to get himself a real corner and a real trainer. Lucky for him I think Manny has made some mental errors in preparation as well. I think we all caught that glimpse of Castillo whooping on his ass, and it makes me think he has been too busy being a star. We'll see on Saturday night! Did anyone happen to watch Haye vs Valuev last Saturday, or Fedor vs. Rogers? I think Cotto is taking this one as well...Can't wait!!!! "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #378 - Posted 12 November 2009, 5:44 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: August 2009 Member #: 3407 Posts: 2120 | RE: DT.com Boxing Lounge: Cotto vs. Pacquiao 11/14 Quote: Manhattanite previously said: Well I think we all got our opinions and predictions out some months back, so I'm only checking if anyone has changed their minds after seeing the HBO 24/7 episodes on each fighter's training camp. I'm sticking with Cotto, via late stoppage or razor thin decision. I think Cotto needs to get himself a real corner and a real trainer. Lucky for him I think Manny has made some mental errors in preparation as well. I think we all caught that glimpse of Castillo whooping on his ass, and it makes me think he has been too busy being a star. We'll see on Saturday night! Did anyone happen to watch Haye vs Valuev last Saturday, or Fedor vs. Rogers? "Well I think we all got our opinions and predictions out some months back, so I'm only checking if anyone has changed their minds after seeing the HBO 24/7 episodes on each fighter's training camp". yes everybody has their opinions and predictions but for any casual fight fan that is caught up in the pacquiao bandwagon their opinions mean squat. LOLOLOLOL generally speaking of coarse although i do have one guy in mind and i won't say his name but i will give you a hint.... he is a self proclaimed "black hunk"!!!!!! "I think Cotto needs to get himself a real corner and a real trainer". why do you say that though??? did freddie roach tell you that? |
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| #379 - Posted 12 November 2009, 9:38 PM | |
Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13941 | RE: DT.com Boxing Lounge: Cotto vs. Pacquiao 11/14 Quote: Manhattanite previously said: First off, Hayes won the Heavyweight title, beating the giant Valuev. Well I think we all got our opinions and predictions out some months back, so I'm only checking if anyone has changed their minds after seeing the HBO 24/7 episodes on each fighter's training camp. I'm sticking with Cotto, via late stoppage or razor thin decision. I think Cotto needs to get himself a real corner and a real trainer. Lucky for him I think Manny has made some mental errors in preparation as well. I think we all caught that glimpse of Castillo whooping on his ass, and it makes me think he has been too busy being a star. We'll see on Saturday night! Did anyone happen to watch Haye vs Valuev last Saturday, or Fedor vs. Rogers? There are two boxers out there that I will NOT bet against....1) Mayweather, 2) Pacquiao. That I want Cotto to win, YES........That I think he will not, YES. Pacquiao by late stoppage or close decision. I hope to be proven wrong. Edited on 11/12/2009 9:39 PM by TuPapaupa. I am "An Army Of One" ![]() Come Get Some!!. |
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| #380 - Posted 13 November 2009, 7:05 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3809 Posts: 10126 | Behind the Fighter Manny Pacquiao, the Fight for His Favor Miguel Salazar LOS ANGELES — The condominium looks like a fraternity house, not the resting place for boxing royalty. Stained carpets cover the floor. Dartboards hang from the wall. Bowls of food, half-eaten leftovers, line the kitchen. Manny Pacquiao, one of the best boxers in the world, sleeps here. But he does not sleep alone. Pacquiao, who faces Miguel Cotto in a welterweight title fight Saturday at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, does not do anything alone. His entourage — swollen, dysfunctional and, in his mind, necessary — makes sure of that. On a recent visit, while Pacquiao slept upstairs, one member did the laundry. Another surfed the Internet. Yet another sprawled on the couch, his booming snores interrupting another otherwise peaceful morning for Team Pacquiao. “They’re all competing to be golden boy for the day,” said Freddie Roach, Pacquiao’s trainer. “Clean his pool. Take his shoes off. They will do anything for Manny Pacquiao.” Roach paused, unable to suppress his laughter. “I’m telling you,” he continued, “the funniest thing is, whoever is on the best terms with Manny at that moment sleeps closest to him, at the foot of his bed.” More than anything, they wait. They wait for Pacquiao to wake up, to eat, to spar, to sing, sign autographs, do interviews, act, shop. Before one sparring session last month, members of the entourage arrived early, fetched towels, cleared the gym and debated what type of Gatorade their employer would prefer, finally settling on orange. When word came that Pacquiao was sleeping, that he might not practice, they waited, dozens of lives affected by the whimsical decisions of one man. Team Pacquiao has perfected the art of functional dysfunction. The entourage consists of trainers, assistants to the trainers, advisers, assistants to the advisers, cooks, dishwashers, car washers, drivers, publicists, gofers and security. Its size varies, as do assignments and sleeping arrangements, members shuffling from bunk beds to twin beds to the foot of the most important bed. Usually, at least 20 aid in Pacquiao’s routines. “I see new guys every day,” said Joe Ramos, an assistant. “Guys who I don’t even know who they are, or what they do.” Pacquiao craves companionship, seeking comfort in numbers. He said he likes good company, which explains why he sleeps in the condo while the sprawling house he owns nearby sits mostly empty, leaves in the pool, ants in the kitchen. Confidants believe this stems from his childhood, when he grew up so poor in the Philippines that his younger brother, Bobby, described each day as “survival mode.” The path to reclaimed youth includes all of the activities Pacquiao missed, like darts, billiards, basketball and marathon karaoke sessions. Pacquiao tolerates little disrespect based on placement in his hierarchy, another policy produced by his upbringing. He once sold doughnuts on the street. So when Ramos suggested they find less expensive alternatives for washing his car, noting that Pacquiao paid a man at Wild Card Boxing Club in Hollywood, where he trains, $200 three times a week, Pacquiao warned Ramos never to eliminate the job of someone trying to earn a living. This leads to tasks that overlap, filled by people who perform the same function. Or people who perform essentially no function. “There’s a lot going on,” said Rob Peters, the head of the security detail. “You have to know who everybody is, what they do. It’s almost like I need a chart.” The entourage compares itself to a large family, but the daily competition for Pacquiao’s affection and power makes this brood competitive and intense. Winners receive perks, like riding in the car with Pacquiao, or sitting next to him while he eats. They say they must fight to prove themselves, and while they do not mean this literally, sometimes fisticuffs occur. Recently in the Philippines, two members of Team Pacquiao, the adviser Michael Koncz and the conditioning coach Alex Ariza, came to blows over the coveted corner slots for Saturday’s bout. Koncz said the fight was overblown and that he always operates with Pacquiao’s best interests at the forefront. Ariza said Koncz remains at the center of the team’s conflicts, whether attempting to have Roach fired, or failing to give credit to others, two charges Koncz dismissed. During training, an unidentified culprit hung a sign inside the gym. It read: The meeting for the Mike Koncz Fan Club has been canceled. Roach claimed no knowledge of the sign’s source. But he was in no hurry to remove it. “I don’t know if he’s socially maladjusted, or if it’s just an ineptness to socialize,” Ariza said of Koncz on Wednesday in Las Vegas. “I know it sounds funny, but I’m serious. He’s caused disarray.” Referring to Pacquiao, Roach added: “I know this: Alex doesn’t cut his meat for him. Mike Koncz does.” Such is life in what may be the strangest entourage in sports. For as complex as their interactions with one another are, each member of the entourage has his own relationship with Pacquiao. And he is the only man each answers to. There is Buboy Fernandez, Pacquiao’s childhood friend, who worked as a janitor in Pacquiao’s first gym. Fernandez once handled the duties now performed by 15 men, like washing his boss’s socks, or holding a rice cooker near the vent in a hotel so staff could not smell food being prepared. His reward? His own room in the condo. There is Koncz, who, despite the criticism, still holds significant sway, particularly in regard to Pacquiao’s finances. There is Peters, the security guard and Boston sports fan who must turn away families seeking autographs. There is Ramos, who handles tickets. He secured 500 for Saturday’s fight alone and still heard complaints from folks who wanted 30 instead of 29. The worst job? “The cook,” Pacquiao said. “Because there are so many. He must cook a lot.” What concerns Ariza are those who take advantage, the hangers-on who can pay for their own tickets but choose not to, who spend all day waiting to pitch Pacquiao their products, who receive something and still want more. Sometimes Pacquiao sequesters himself inside his bedroom, waiting for the living room to clear. Most nights, Peters stops by to expedite the process. “The downfall of Manny Pacquiao, if there is one, will be his kindness and generosity,” Koncz said. “At some point, I fear that’s going to catch up to him.” On Tuesday in Las Vegas, Pacquiao conducted interviews inside a trailer. When he finished, someone grabbed a jacket and helped him put it on. Someone else stood at the bottom of the stairs, in case he fell. Someone else started the team bus, each seat filled. Off they went, the dysfunctional entourage that still manages to function, the boxer surrounded by his staff. Sleeping arrangements, at least for some, were still to be decided al capo di tutti capi de los trolls |
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