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| #41 - Posted 9 April 2011, 10:01 PM | |
 Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13855  | RE: Dominicans in MLB Manny Ramirez retires: Hall of Famer? Quote: Atabey previously said: I have no doubt in my mind that there are players in the HOF that used illegal substances......but without proof, nothing can be done.Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: dreadlocks previously said: Dread, there's a reason why babosos like vacanos, generoso, laburra and other Dominicans here don't like me.......because I say it like it is.Tupapaupa, i will always give you props for being a straight shooter. it does not matter to you that this guy is your fellow Dominican. you call a spade a spade. right on, brother. keep on being honest To some of these "people", the DR is perfect and Dominicans can't do no wrong. God knows how long he has been cheating........... Therefore, to me, this accomplishments mean NOTHING........ I didn't care for the loser before all this happened because the selfish moron played for himself.....all he cared about was HIS numbers........didn't care for the team or his teammates......... There's a reason why the jerk, being so good, was traded to so many teams.........you know, you think a guy so good would start and finish his career with only one team, like Jeter. Not only was the comemierda a problem EVERYWHERE he went, but now we know that most of what he accomplished was with the help of steroid.................. Lets not forget that just because a "thief" got caught "stealing" TODAY, doesn't mean he wasn't "stealing" for YEARS before getting caught. He was an embarrassment to many when playing, he is a bigger embarrassment NOW. Ah, now with the put downs. It's truly remarkable how some Dominicans will quickly jump on the bang-wagon to criticize their own, regardless of the dynamics involved. No one will take Manny for anything other than what he is: a self absorbed Great hitting ex-player who wanted his and cared little about how he got it. By that definition there have been countless others in the sport. To name one, Ty Cobb. I've never own another Latin group that cares so much in tearing apart their own as Dominicans. As we ALL know, this Steroid Era was marked by many players from many nationalities: Venezuelans, Puerto Ricans, to name but the other major Latin nations or entities with representation in MLB. But the Juan Gonzales', Pudge Rodriguez', Carlos Delgados' are not so treated by their own people. You don't hear Puerto Ricans oozing with delight to tear down their own. Neither do you witness Venezuelans or Cubans for that matter. It's a funny dynamic that at some level involves the immaturity of the Dominican sense of nation. It surfaced when A-Rod was hounded for his indecision concerning playing for the Team DR. And all the sleaziness concerning his "Dominicaness" Mark my words, at some point in the future the Great players of the Steroid Era will have their induction into the Hall. Perhaps then also my fellow Dominicans will have matured enough to not have to be so eager to jump on their fellow Dominicans downfall to curry favor with their non-Dominican crowd.  Do you know ALL Puerto Ricans?......ALL Venezuelan?......ALL Cubans?........ In case you don't know my Puerto Rican relatives, MOST of them want NOTHING to do with Pudge or Igor Gonzalez.......yes, because of what they did. In case you don't know my brother's Cuban in-laws and relatives (with whom I practically grew-up with), they care very little for those that cheat. I am a baseball fan and I WILL have a saying about those idiots that mess it up....... Dominicans, Americans, Puerto Ricans, Martians.....WHOMEVER!. Am I supposed to close my eyes because Manny is Dominican?.....GIVE ME A BREAK!. I used to be a HUUUUUUUUGE Andy Pettitte fan......so HUUUUUUUUUUUGE that I paid top Dollars for some of his memorabilia............... And guess what?..........when he admitted he took steroids, NOT only did I stopped being a fan, but I also threw EVERYTHING I owed in the garbage. Oh, and I also think he should NOT be in the HOF. So you see, it has NOTHING to do with the person's nationality. What, am I supposed to glorify someone that is making Dominicans look bad?.....a fricking lowlife loser that got caught cheating twice?. Sorry but my pride doesn't allow me to do such stupidity. It's not about pride or not being critical. What I think is missing in this debate is a balanced historical perspective. Perhaps I ask too much of some people, but a reasonable Baseball aficionado would take a historical approach and see that this Era was full of people, some even inside the HOF   that indulged in but have not been outed. And knowing that many more players did participate in the PEDS game, how are we to determine who did and did not do PEDS? So, I say let's call the Era what it was: The Steroid Era and be done with it. There are some pretty nasty, racists, gamblers, wife beaters, etc., that are in the HOF and people show no movement to remove them from their place in the HOF. All major and even minor sports have been influenced by PEDS. American Football? Think they might have a bit of an issue with PEDS? In cycling, if one were to go back, many riders would be stripped of their wins-and I'm re ferring to some Spaniards, Americans and others. Did those racists, gamblers, wife beaters, etc, got caught using "things" that would make them be stronger than others?........... Mickey Mantle was an alcoholic, so he shouldn't be in the HOF?. Paint it any way you want it, cheating is cheating......and that loser Ramirez will pay for it.........the biggest slap on the face will be when they don't select him on the first year....or the second...... Btw, don't be so sure that loser is not going to play again........ I am "An Army Of One"  Come Get Some!!. |
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| #42 - Posted 10 April 2011, 11:31 AM | |
 Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16617 | RE: Dominicans in MLB Manny Ramirez retires: Hall of Famer? Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: I have no doubt in my mind that there are players in the HOF that used illegal substances......but without proof, nothing can be done.Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: dreadlocks previously said: Dread, there's a reason why babosos like vacanos, generoso, laburra and other Dominicans here don't like me.......because I say it like it is.Tupapaupa, i will always give you props for being a straight shooter. it does not matter to you that this guy is your fellow Dominican. you call a spade a spade. right on, brother. keep on being honest To some of these "people", the DR is perfect and Dominicans can't do no wrong. God knows how long he has been cheating........... Therefore, to me, this accomplishments mean NOTHING........ I didn't care for the loser before all this happened because the selfish moron played for himself.....all he cared about was HIS numbers........didn't care for the team or his teammates......... There's a reason why the jerk, being so good, was traded to so many teams.........you know, you think a guy so good would start and finish his career with only one team, like Jeter. Not only was the comemierda a problem EVERYWHERE he went, but now we know that most of what he accomplished was with the help of steroid.................. Lets not forget that just because a "thief" got caught "stealing" TODAY, doesn't mean he wasn't "stealing" for YEARS before getting caught. He was an embarrassment to many when playing, he is a bigger embarrassment NOW. Ah, now with the put downs. It's truly remarkable how some Dominicans will quickly jump on the bang-wagon to criticize their own, regardless of the dynamics involved. No one will take Manny for anything other than what he is: a self absorbed Great hitting ex-player who wanted his and cared little about how he got it. By that definition there have been countless others in the sport. To name one, Ty Cobb. I've never own another Latin group that cares so much in tearing apart their own as Dominicans. As we ALL know, this Steroid Era was marked by many players from many nationalities: Venezuelans, Puerto Ricans, to name but the other major Latin nations or entities with representation in MLB. But the Juan Gonzales', Pudge Rodriguez', Carlos Delgados' are not so treated by their own people. You don't hear Puerto Ricans oozing with delight to tear down their own. Neither do you witness Venezuelans or Cubans for that matter. It's a funny dynamic that at some level involves the immaturity of the Dominican sense of nation. It surfaced when A-Rod was hounded for his indecision concerning playing for the Team DR. And all the sleaziness concerning his "Dominicaness" Mark my words, at some point in the future the Great players of the Steroid Era will have their induction into the Hall. Perhaps then also my fellow Dominicans will have matured enough to not have to be so eager to jump on their fellow Dominicans downfall to curry favor with their non-Dominican crowd. Do you know ALL Puerto Ricans?......ALL Venezuelan?......ALL Cubans?........ In case you don't know my Puerto Rican relatives, MOST of them want NOTHING to do with Pudge or Igor Gonzalez.......yes, because of what they did. In case you don't know my brother's Cuban in-laws and relatives (with whom I practically grew-up with), they care very little for those that cheat. I am a baseball fan and I WILL have a saying about those idiots that mess it up....... Dominicans, Americans, Puerto Ricans, Martians.....WHOMEVER!. Am I supposed to close my eyes because Manny is Dominican?.....GIVE ME A BREAK!. I used to be a HUUUUUUUUGE Andy Pettitte fan......so HUUUUUUUUUUUGE that I paid top Dollars for some of his memorabilia............... And guess what?..........when he admitted he took steroids, NOT only did I stopped being a fan, but I also threw EVERYTHING I owed in the garbage. Oh, and I also think he should NOT be in the HOF. So you see, it has NOTHING to do with the person's nationality. What, am I supposed to glorify someone that is making Dominicans look bad?.....a fricking lowlife loser that got caught cheating twice?. Sorry but my pride doesn't allow me to do such stupidity. It's not about pride or not being critical. What I think is missing in this debate is a balanced historical perspective. Perhaps I ask too much of some people, but a reasonable Baseball aficionado would take a historical approach and see that this Era was full of people, some even inside the HOF that indulged in but have not been outed. And knowing that many more players did participate in the PEDS game, how are we to determine who did and did not do PEDS? So, I say let's call the Era what it was: The Steroid Era and be done with it. There are some pretty nasty, racists, gamblers, wife beaters, etc., that are in the HOF and people show no movement to remove them from their place in the HOF. All major and even minor sports have been influenced by PEDS. American Football? Think they might have a bit of an issue with PEDS? In cycling, if one were to go back, many riders would be stripped of their wins-and I'm re ferring to some Spaniards, Americans and others. Did those racists, gamblers, wife beaters, etc, got caught using "things" that would make them be stronger than others?........... Mickey Mantle was an alcoholic, so he shouldn't be in the HOF?. Paint it any way you want it, cheating is cheating......and that loser Ramirez will pay for it.........the biggest slap on the face will be when they don't select him on the first year....or the second...... Btw, don't be so sure that loser is not going to play again........ Papaupa I very much doubt Manny will ever again play MLB. He would have to go do 100 games of penalty time, just to start off, and that's a deal breaker  Mickey Mantle was an alcoholic, so he shouldn't be in the HOF?. Being an alcoholic doesn't really matter; now, if he abused his wife, beat her up, then I think you would agree that that would disqualify him, no? But there are many guys in the HOF that abused women, were outright racists, gamblers, etc. And these guys are in the HOF. Also, the list of players caught under the Federal investigation was over 100, something like 106? or so. And this was after the MLB told players that a test would be done Certainly, we can ascertain that many took the advise and stopped using PEDS to appear clean on the test. So we can say that the stats reflected a smaller actual count of those using PEDS. There's a book that highlights many of the going ons concerning the HOF and MLB. I'll post anew some of the more glaring failures later. Later this year Jim Thome will get his 600th HR and he has, to my knowledge, never been said to have used PEDS; what happens if he's on that list of 106? Should he have a Mulligan while Sosa and rest get the short end of the stick Edited on 4/10/2011 11:34 AM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. |
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| #43 - Posted 11 April 2011, 7:17 AM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16617 | RE: Dominicans in MLB Manny Ramirez retires: Hall of Famer? The puritanical strain goes on with some fans who think that the game of Professional Baseball is a dichotomy between good and evil: those pure in thoughts, and more importantly in deeds on and off the field, and those devoid of such practices. Well, the Game of Professional Anything is far more messier and self-serving than many would like us believe. The HOF is well represented by racists, wife-beaters, gamblers, and the like. And while Manny did wrong by AGAIN engaging in off-limit, since 2004, use of PEDS, he like many, how many?, were part of a Professional culture that relied on such aids to win over fans and make huge profits for their bosses and themselves. We fans identify with the players, as they are the product that propels the sport, the faces of the "National Past time" as some still refer to Baseball. But the players represent but one facet of this Steroid Era. With time and enough distance from the Era, a more balanced and thoughtful appraisal of the Steroid Era will commence; one not so charged with the emotional let down that closeness in time and place brings to the table. As such, the great players that participated during the Era will be recognized and carry with them the mark of the Era with them in Baseball history: The Stars of the Steroid Era. We don't dismiss the antics, behavior of the past Eras in Professional Baseball, we don't say that the Pre-Racial integration Era or the Apartheid Era of Baseball is unworthy of recognition and that all the records of that Era should be suspect and erased. We do, however, recognize it for what it was: a particular time and place during our history when discrimination tarnished the game and was supported and abetted by the Owners of the game. If such an indictment on the merits of not only Baseball, but the larger society and civilization of our country can still garner space and even respect from many fans visiting the HOF, how could the Steroid Era even come close to being a worse Era? I think that several factors are working to instill this recent Era's ire in the minds of many: the recent prolong economic slump is part of the equation. But that's a long story. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. |
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| #44 - Posted 11 April 2011, 2:06 PM | |
Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13855 | RE: Dominicans in MLB Manny Ramirez retires: Hall of Famer? Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: I have no doubt in my mind that there are players in the HOF that used illegal substances......but without proof, nothing can be done.Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Quote: dreadlocks previously said: Dread, there's a reason why babosos like vacanos, generoso, laburra and other Dominicans here don't like me.......because I say it like it is.Tupapaupa, i will always give you props for being a straight shooter. it does not matter to you that this guy is your fellow Dominican. you call a spade a spade. right on, brother. keep on being honest To some of these "people", the DR is perfect and Dominicans can't do no wrong. God knows how long he has been cheating........... Therefore, to me, this accomplishments mean NOTHING........ I didn't care for the loser before all this happened because the selfish moron played for himself.....all he cared about was HIS numbers........didn't care for the team or his teammates......... There's a reason why the jerk, being so good, was traded to so many teams.........you know, you think a guy so good would start and finish his career with only one team, like Jeter. Not only was the comemierda a problem EVERYWHERE he went, but now we know that most of what he accomplished was with the help of steroid.................. Lets not forget that just because a "thief" got caught "stealing" TODAY, doesn't mean he wasn't "stealing" for YEARS before getting caught. He was an embarrassment to many when playing, he is a bigger embarrassment NOW. Ah, now with the put downs. It's truly remarkable how some Dominicans will quickly jump on the bang-wagon to criticize their own, regardless of the dynamics involved. No one will take Manny for anything other than what he is: a self absorbed Great hitting ex-player who wanted his and cared little about how he got it. By that definition there have been countless others in the sport. To name one, Ty Cobb. I've never own another Latin group that cares so much in tearing apart their own as Dominicans. As we ALL know, this Steroid Era was marked by many players from many nationalities: Venezuelans, Puerto Ricans, to name but the other major Latin nations or entities with representation in MLB. But the Juan Gonzales', Pudge Rodriguez', Carlos Delgados' are not so treated by their own people. You don't hear Puerto Ricans oozing with delight to tear down their own. Neither do you witness Venezuelans or Cubans for that matter. It's a funny dynamic that at some level involves the immaturity of the Dominican sense of nation. It surfaced when A-Rod was hounded for his indecision concerning playing for the Team DR. And all the sleaziness concerning his "Dominicaness" Mark my words, at some point in the future the Great players of the Steroid Era will have their induction into the Hall. Perhaps then also my fellow Dominicans will have matured enough to not have to be so eager to jump on their fellow Dominicans downfall to curry favor with their non-Dominican crowd. Do you know ALL Puerto Ricans?......ALL Venezuelan?......ALL Cubans?........ In case you don't know my Puerto Rican relatives, MOST of them want NOTHING to do with Pudge or Igor Gonzalez.......yes, because of what they did. In case you don't know my brother's Cuban in-laws and relatives (with whom I practically grew-up with), they care very little for those that cheat. I am a baseball fan and I WILL have a saying about those idiots that mess it up....... Dominicans, Americans, Puerto Ricans, Martians.....WHOMEVER!. Am I supposed to close my eyes because Manny is Dominican?.....GIVE ME A BREAK!. I used to be a HUUUUUUUUGE Andy Pettitte fan......so HUUUUUUUUUUUGE that I paid top Dollars for some of his memorabilia............... And guess what?..........when he admitted he took steroids, NOT only did I stopped being a fan, but I also threw EVERYTHING I owed in the garbage. Oh, and I also think he should NOT be in the HOF. So you see, it has NOTHING to do with the person's nationality. What, am I supposed to glorify someone that is making Dominicans look bad?.....a fricking lowlife loser that got caught cheating twice?. Sorry but my pride doesn't allow me to do such stupidity. It's not about pride or not being critical. What I think is missing in this debate is a balanced historical perspective. Perhaps I ask too much of some people, but a reasonable Baseball aficionado would take a historical approach and see that this Era was full of people, some even inside the HOF that indulged in but have not been outed. And knowing that many more players did participate in the PEDS game, how are we to determine who did and did not do PEDS? So, I say let's call the Era what it was: The Steroid Era and be done with it. There are some pretty nasty, racists, gamblers, wife beaters, etc., that are in the HOF and people show no movement to remove them from their place in the HOF. All major and even minor sports have been influenced by PEDS. American Football? Think they might have a bit of an issue with PEDS? In cycling, if one were to go back, many riders would be stripped of their wins-and I'm re ferring to some Spaniards, Americans and others. Did those racists, gamblers, wife beaters, etc, got caught using "things" that would make them be stronger than others?........... Mickey Mantle was an alcoholic, so he shouldn't be in the HOF?. Paint it any way you want it, cheating is cheating......and that loser Ramirez will pay for it.........the biggest slap on the face will be when they don't select him on the first year....or the second...... Btw, don't be so sure that loser is not going to play again........ Papaupa I very much doubt Manny will ever again play MLB. He would have to go do 100 games of penalty time, just to start off, and that's a deal breaker Mickey Mantle was an alcoholic, so he shouldn't be in the HOF?. Being an alcoholic doesn't really matter; now, if he abused his wife, beat her up, then I think you would agree that that would disqualify him, no? But there are many guys in the HOF that abused women, were outright racists, gamblers, etc. And these guys are in the HOF. Also, the list of players caught under the Federal investigation was over 100, something like 106? or so. And this was after the MLB told players that a test would be done Certainly, we can ascertain that many took the advise and stopped using PEDS to appear clean on the test. So we can say that the stats reflected a smaller actual count of those using PEDS. There's a book that highlights many of the going ons concerning the HOF and MLB. I'll post anew some of the more glaring failures later. Later this year Jim Thome will get his 600th HR and he has, to my knowledge, never been said to have used PEDS; what happens if he's on that list of 106? Should he have a Mulligan while Sosa and rest get the short end of the stick You say tomato, I say tomatoe........ There are rules people need to follow...........when they don't, they should pay the price..... CheaterRamirez SHOULD NOT be in the HOF, EVER...... He only cared about himself, gave upquit on just about all teams he played for when things didn't go his way and now, as a "goodbye", quit on the Rays after getting caught cheating once again....... The MLB had to "talk" to him about some some sort of cheating not ONCE, not TWICE but 3 TIMES....... The stupid lowlife is a cheater and has been cheating for yeeeeeeeears!. People that know a thing or two about baseball, fans , ex-players, baseball commentators, journalists, etc, are saying that he would be lucky if he gets 5% of the votes the first try...... And you know what that means, right?. It means that if he doesn't, HE IS OOOOOOOOOOOOUT OF THE BALLOT FOREVER!. Say all you want, but if you are sure he will make the HOF, put your money where your mouth is..... I say he will NOT make it to the Hall on his first try......care to bet?. I am "An Army Of One" Come Get Some!!. |
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| #45 - Posted 11 April 2011, 3:43 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16617 | RE: Dominicans in MLB Manny Ramirez retires: Hall of Famer? I happened recently to read a certain poster on this site who is very much against wife-beaters. In fact, he can't stand them. You know who I mean I'm sure this guy, 100% unadulterated human being would never allow the sacred grounds of the HOF be tarnished by less than 100% perfecto players, no  It not about tomatoes. A wife beater in the 1930,40 50 or any other era is a wife beater. Or am I to think you believe the old timers should get Mulligans for those acts too  On the question of PEDS. You know what "greenies" represent in Baseball lore? Well, one time in Baseball, actually until rather recently, there were these "uppers" that players would pop into their mouths to get a little edge, a little spring in their legs, reflexes. After a few games, and especially during the long Summer months, these "greenies" were an important asset to keep players, active, motivated and play the sport. All Major league teams had plenty of "greenies" for the taking and actually encouraged their players to engage so that the show would go on. Perhaps the most glaring part and the one that surprises me most is the utter lack of comprehension concerning the core commercial dynamic that underwrites all this. Some folks and you appear quite willing to consume it, believe this sport to be based on "fair play" and "honesty," Country and apple pie goodness." Nothing could be further from the truth. Baseball did not even begin in Cooperstown There is a lot of made-up history, and as I've stated some pretty nasty individuals whose bronzed statues and other monuments are readily consumed by unthinking fans and critics alike.Like any "Professional Sport" Baseball is full of it, and has been for ... There are some people who while understanding the pillars of sand on which these and other sports stand on, nevertheless witness them and enjoy them. But the difference is these fans are not given to crass emotional outcries that morph into Torquemada like intolerance It's a BIG Money game and where there's BIG money the show out front is but part of the action Behind the curtains there's another part of the game that's just as real and significant for those who dare think a little hard I guess you still believe that "shot heard Around the World" was pure clean heroism on the part of the Giants and Thomson. Edited on 4/11/2011 3:47 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. |
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| #46 - Posted 11 April 2011, 9:42 PM | |
Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13855 | RE: Dominicans in MLB Manny Ramirez retires: Hall of Famer? Quote: Atabey previously said: What does beating your wife wife has to do with cheating?......or being a racist?.I happened recently to read a certain poster on this site who is very much against wife-beaters. In fact, he can't stand them. You know who I mean I'm sure this guy, 100% unadulterated human being would never allow the sacred grounds of the HOF be tarnished by less than 100% perfecto players, no It not about tomatoes. A wife beater in the 1930,40 50 or any other era is a wife beater. Or am I to think you believe the old timers should get Mulligans for those acts too On the question of PEDS. You know what "greenies" represent in Baseball lore? Well, one time in Baseball, actually until rather recently, there were these "uppers" that players would pop into their mouths to get a little edge, a little spring in their legs, reflexes. After a few games, and especially during the long Summer months, these "greenies" were an important asset to keep players, active, motivated and play the sport. All Major league teams had plenty of "greenies" for the taking and actually encouraged their players to engage so that the show would go on. Perhaps the most glaring part and the one that surprises me most is the utter lack of comprehension concerning the core commercial dynamic that underwrites all this. Some folks and you appear quite willing to consume it, believe this sport to be based on "fair play" and "honesty," Country and apple pie goodness." Nothing could be further from the truth. Baseball did not even begin in Cooperstown There is a lot of made-up history, and as I've stated some pretty nasty individuals whose bronzed statues and other monuments are readily consumed by unthinking fans and critics alike.Like any "Professional Sport" Baseball is full of it, and has been for ... There are some people who while understanding the pillars of sand on which these and other sports stand on, nevertheless witness them and enjoy them. But the difference is these fans are not given to crass emotional outcries that morph into Torquemada like intolerance It's a BIG Money game and where there's BIG money the show out front is but part of the action Behind the curtains there's another part of the game that's just as real and significant for those who dare think a little hard I guess you still believe that "shot heard Around the World" was pure clean heroism on the part of the Giants and Thomson. I don't condone men hitting their wives/girlfriends or being racist, but what does that has to do with using banned substances?..... Granted, if a favorite of mine beats his wife/girlfriend, AT THAT EXACT moment he will stop being a favorite, but that doesn't take away the fact the he didn't cheat, like Manny, Mark, Pamlerio, Tejada, Bonds and all the other morons that are giving baseball a black eye. You don't follow the rules or do things in the baseball field you are not supposed to do, you pay the play........ Don't believe me, ask Juan Marichal why he didn't make it the first few times......... So are you taking my challenge/bet?. I am "An Army Of One" Come Get Some!!. |
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| #47 - Posted 11 April 2011, 10:02 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16617 | RE: Dominicans in MLB Manny Ramirez retires: Hall of Famer? What was done to Marichal was a travesty and any knowledgeable baseball aficionado would agree with my statement. What about the "greenies" don't they count as drug enhancements And the point about Wife-beaters, racists, gamblers and the rest, I believe one even commited murder! is that the HOF is not a Saints Club It has its share of lousy self-absorbed ass-hxxx and the like.Again, what these guys did during the Steroid Era should be noted and let history be done. You appear to want to insist that people believe in the "Tooth Fairy" Well most people understand that past a certain age, that kind of thinking has little merit outside of children's literature. Grown ups can handle or at least should be able to handle the complexities of life. Yes, life is not all peaches and ice-cream. People don't always tell the truth. Mommy and Daddy like to get laid. And Santa doesn't come down from the sky riding Rufus with gifts "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. |
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| #48 - Posted 11 April 2011, 10:55 PM | |
Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13855 | RE: Dominicans in MLB Manny Ramirez retires: Hall of Famer? Quote: Atabey previously said: What was done to Marichal was a travesty and any knowledgeable baseball aficionado would agree with my statement. What about the "greenies" don't they count as drug enhancements And the point about Wife-beaters, racists, gamblers and the rest, I believe one even commited murder! is that the HOF is not a Saints Club It has its share of lousy self-absorbed ass-hxxx and the like.Again, what these guys did during the Steroid Era should be noted and let history be done. You appear to want to insist that people believe in the "Tooth Fairy" Well most people understand that past a certain age, that kind of thinking has little merit outside of children's literature. Grown ups can handle or at least should be able to handle the complexities of life. Yes, life is not all peaches and ice-cream. People don't always tell the truth. Mommy and Daddy like to get laid. And Santa doesn't come down from the sky riding Rufus with gifts Show me proof that ANY player in the HOF tasted positive for ANY banned substance........PROOF, not hearsay. We are NOT talking about beating wives, making love to a hole on the ground or saying you don't like a certain type of people............we are talking about GETTING caught cheating ........ About Marichal, there's no doubt he deserves to be in the HOF, but I agree 1,000,000,000,000% that he should've paid for what he did. Why do you think Roberto Alomar wasn't selected on his first year of eligibility?. Easy, you do something you are not supposed to do, on the field, YOU PAY FOR IT. Whether you like if or not, it's the way it is. Keep trying to cover the sun with one finger but the fact of the matter is that there are rules ball players need to follow.......... Not taking my bet, huh?. Edited on 4/11/2011 11:01 PM by TuPapaupa. I am "An Army Of One" Come Get Some!!. |
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| #49 - Posted 11 April 2011, 11:06 PM | |
 Location: United States, El cuarto bate Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2300 Posts: 10627 | RE: Dominicans in MLB Manny Ramirez retires: Hall of Famer? They made their money and now do not have to work another day in life... He won Edited on 4/11/2011 11:06 PM by xwill7. |
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| #50 - Posted 11 April 2011, 11:16 PM | |
 Location: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito" Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2380 Posts: 5010 | RE: Manny Ramirez retires: Hall of Famer? They couldnt prove Pudge took steroids. From my limited knowledge of him. Conocer al cojo sentao! Las Aguilas son Las Aguilas!!!!!!!! |
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