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Congrats to all you Giants fans!

I got slammed ! Not only that, I gave three points , i.e. Pats had to win by more than 3 points, so I got slammed Royally!

So, enjoy a well deserved championship!

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Congrats to all you Giants fans!

I got slammed ! Not only that, I gave three points , i.e. Pats had to win by more than 3 points, so I got slammed Royally!

So, enjoy a well deserved championship!




I'm waiting for Ben to chip in. Don't know if he's a Patriot fan, but he's living in Maine So it wouldn't surprise me.

What a great game Glimmertwin It felt like "It's déjà vu (all over again".) as Yogi would say The Catch

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The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
NFL 2011
The ballsiest call in Super Bowl history.

By Brian Burke|Posted Monday, Feb. 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM ET

This NFL roundtable is a seasonlong partnership between Slate and Deadspin.

Check back here each week as a rotating cast of football watchers discusses the weekend's key plays, coaching decisions, and traumatic brain injuries. And click here to play the latest episode of Slate’s sports podcast Hang Up and Listen.


5: Math Says If Wes Welker Catches That Ball, The Patriots Win
By: Brian Burke

4: "Was That a Sasquatch?” The Misery of Watching Canadian Super Bowl Ads
By: Matthew Black

3: Did the Giants Put 12 Men on the Field on Purpose for Brady’s First Hail Mary?
By: Barry Petchesky

2: The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
By: Brian Burke


Preseason
Ahmad Bradshaw

The Giants' Ahmad Bradshaw scores the game-winning touchown after the Patriots decided to let him score.

Photo by TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP/Getty Images.

Bill Belichick may have made one of the gutsiest calls in Super Bowl history: instructing his defense to allow the Giants to score the go-ahead touchdown with just a minute remaining. The only gutsier move would've been for the Giants to respond by not scoring. Instead, Ahmad Bradshaw’s six-yard run and subsequent pratfall into the end zone may have been the most counterproductive score of all time.


That run came on second down, with 1:04 remaining. Here’s why the Giants didn’t want a touchdown in that situation. The best-case scenario for New York would have been to run the ball one more time, draining the clock and forcing the Patriots to expend their final timeout. Then, with just a few seconds remaining, send in the field goal unit for what would have been a 99 percent kick in perfect indoor conditions to take the lead by a point, leaving virtually no time for the Patriots to respond. Using Win Probability (a simple estimate of who's going to win based on score and other variables), we know that if Bradshaw been able to stop his momentum and fall prior to scoring, the Giants would have had a 0.98 WP—in other words, a 98 percent chance of winning.

While it looked as if Bradshaw was pulling the video-game trick of burning an additional second or two prior to scoring, he told reporters after the game, "I tried to declare myself down and tapped down. My momentum took me into the end zone." When he scored, the Patriots had a minute left and one timeout, which typically amounts to a 0.88 WP. The touchdown actually cost the Giants 0.1 WP and unnecessarily kept the Patriots’ hopes alive.

The smartest play of all would've been for Belichick to have allowed the touchdown even earlier. The Patriots certainly could have done so on the play prior to Bradshaw's touchdown run, when he was stopped for a one-yard gain, forcing New England to burn its second timeout. In fact, they probably should have allowed a touchdown as early as the two-minute warning. That’s the point at which the Win Probability of receiving a kickoff down by four or six points (0.23) exceeds the Win Probability of trying to stop the Giants from bleeding the clock dry (0.2). The Patriots would have had almost two minutes, two timeouts, and all four downs available to get a touchdown and steal the win. The lesson: New England didn't lie down soon enough.

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I guess some people don't want to learn why the play happened

Quote:
Atabey previously said:

NFL 2011
The ballsiest call in Super Bowl history.

By Brian Burke|Posted Monday, Feb. 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM ET

This NFL roundtable is a seasonlong partnership between Slate and Deadspin.

Check back here each week as a rotating cast of football watchers discusses the weekend's key plays, coaching decisions, and traumatic brain injuries. And click here to play the latest episode of Slate’s sports podcast Hang Up and Listen.


5: Math Says If Wes Welker Catches That Ball, The Patriots Win
By: Brian Burke

4: "Was That a Sasquatch?” The Misery of Watching Canadian Super Bowl Ads
By: Matthew Black

3: Did the Giants Put 12 Men on the Field on Purpose for Brady’s First Hail Mary?
By: Barry Petchesky

2: The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
By: Brian Burke


Preseason
Ahmad Bradshaw

The Giants' Ahmad Bradshaw scores the game-winning touchown after the Patriots decided to let him score.

Photo by TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP/Getty Images.

Bill Belichick may have made one of the gutsiest calls in Super Bowl history: instructing his defense to allow the Giants to score the go-ahead touchdown with just a minute remaining. The only gutsier move would've been for the Giants to respond by not scoring. Instead, Ahmad Bradshaw’s six-yard run and subsequent pratfall into the end zone may have been the most counterproductive score of all time.


That run came on second down, with 1:04 remaining. Here’s why the Giants didn’t want a touchdown in that situation. The best-case scenario for New York would have been to run the ball one more time, draining the clock and forcing the Patriots to expend their final timeout. Then, with just a few seconds remaining, send in the field goal unit for what would have been a 99 percent kick in perfect indoor conditions to take the lead by a point, leaving virtually no time for the Patriots to respond. Using Win Probability (a simple estimate of who's going to win based on score and other variables), we know that if Bradshaw been able to stop his momentum and fall prior to scoring, the Giants would have had a 0.98 WP—in other words, a 98 percent chance of winning.

While it looked as if Bradshaw was pulling the video-game trick of burning an additional second or two prior to scoring, he told reporters after the game, "I tried to declare myself down and tapped down. My momentum took me into the end zone." When he scored, the Patriots had a minute left and one timeout, which typically amounts to a 0.88 WP. The touchdown actually cost the Giants 0.1 WP and unnecessarily kept the Patriots’ hopes alive.

The smartest play of all would've been for Belichick to have allowed the touchdown even earlier. The Patriots certainly could have done so on the play prior to Bradshaw's touchdown run, when he was stopped for a one-yard gain, forcing New England to burn its second timeout. In fact, they probably should have allowed a touchdown as early as the two-minute warning. That’s the point at which the Win Probability of receiving a kickoff down by four or six points (0.23) exceeds the Win Probability of trying to stop the Giants from bleeding the clock dry (0.2). The Patriots would have had almost two minutes, two timeouts, and all four downs available to get a touchdown and steal the win. The lesson: New England didn't lie down soon enough.



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RE: The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
Quote:
generoso previously said:

Quote:
Atabey previously said:


I guess some people don't want to learn why the play happened

Quote:
Atabey previously said:

NFL 2011
The ballsiest call in Super Bowl history.

By Brian Burke|Posted Monday, Feb. 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM ET

This NFL roundtable is a seasonlong partnership between Slate and Deadspin.

Check back here each week as a rotating cast of football watchers discusses the weekend's key plays, coaching decisions, and traumatic brain injuries. And click here to play the latest episode of Slate’s sports podcast Hang Up and Listen.


5: Math Says If Wes Welker Catches That Ball, The Patriots Win
By: Brian Burke

4: "Was That a Sasquatch?” The Misery of Watching Canadian Super Bowl Ads
By: Matthew Black

3: Did the Giants Put 12 Men on the Field on Purpose for Brady’s First Hail Mary?
By: Barry Petchesky

2: The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
By: Brian Burke


Preseason
Ahmad Bradshaw

The Giants' Ahmad Bradshaw scores the game-winning touchown after the Patriots decided to let him score.

Photo by TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP/Getty Images.

Bill Belichick may have made one of the gutsiest calls in Super Bowl history: instructing his defense to allow the Giants to score the go-ahead touchdown with just a minute remaining. The only gutsier move would've been for the Giants to respond by not scoring. Instead, Ahmad Bradshaw’s six-yard run and subsequent pratfall into the end zone may have been the most counterproductive score of all time.


That run came on second down, with 1:04 remaining. Here’s why the Giants didn’t want a touchdown in that situation. The best-case scenario for New York would have been to run the ball one more time, draining the clock and forcing the Patriots to expend their final timeout. Then, with just a few seconds remaining, send in the field goal unit for what would have been a 99 percent kick in perfect indoor conditions to take the lead by a point, leaving virtually no time for the Patriots to respond. Using Win Probability (a simple estimate of who's going to win based on score and other variables), we know that if Bradshaw been able to stop his momentum and fall prior to scoring, the Giants would have had a 0.98 WP—in other words, a 98 percent chance of winning.

While it looked as if Bradshaw was pulling the video-game trick of burning an additional second or two prior to scoring, he told reporters after the game, "I tried to declare myself down and tapped down. My momentum took me into the end zone." When he scored, the Patriots had a minute left and one timeout, which typically amounts to a 0.88 WP. The touchdown actually cost the Giants 0.1 WP and unnecessarily kept the Patriots’ hopes alive.

The smartest play of all would've been for Belichick to have allowed the touchdown even earlier. The Patriots certainly could have done so on the play prior to Bradshaw's touchdown run, when he was stopped for a one-yard gain, forcing New England to burn its second timeout. In fact, they probably should have allowed a touchdown as early as the two-minute warning. That’s the point at which the Win Probability of receiving a kickoff down by four or six points (0.23) exceeds the Win Probability of trying to stop the Giants from bleeding the clock dry (0.2). The Patriots would have had almost two minutes, two timeouts, and all four downs available to get a touchdown and steal the win. The lesson: New England didn't lie down soon enough.






After reading the above twice, I guess that I almost understand now,
PS: not everybody is as gifted as you are Atabey



Actually, Belichick's error was in NOT ALLOWING the Giants to score SOONER on the drive.


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RE: The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
Quote:
Atabey previously said:

Quote:
generoso previously said:

Quote:
Atabey previously said:


I guess some people don't want to learn why the play happened

Quote:
Atabey previously said:

NFL 2011
The ballsiest call in Super Bowl history.

By Brian Burke|Posted Monday, Feb. 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM ET

This NFL roundtable is a seasonlong partnership between Slate and Deadspin.

Check back here each week as a rotating cast of football watchers discusses the weekend's key plays, coaching decisions, and traumatic brain injuries. And click here to play the latest episode of Slate’s sports podcast Hang Up and Listen.


5: Math Says If Wes Welker Catches That Ball, The Patriots Win
By: Brian Burke

4: "Was That a Sasquatch?” The Misery of Watching Canadian Super Bowl Ads
By: Matthew Black

3: Did the Giants Put 12 Men on the Field on Purpose for Brady’s First Hail Mary?
By: Barry Petchesky

2: The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
By: Brian Burke


Preseason
Ahmad Bradshaw

The Giants' Ahmad Bradshaw scores the game-winning touchown after the Patriots decided to let him score.

Photo by TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP/Getty Images.

Bill Belichick may have made one of the gutsiest calls in Super Bowl history: instructing his defense to allow the Giants to score the go-ahead touchdown with just a minute remaining. The only gutsier move would've been for the Giants to respond by not scoring. Instead, Ahmad Bradshaw’s six-yard run and subsequent pratfall into the end zone may have been the most counterproductive score of all time.


That run came on second down, with 1:04 remaining. Here’s why the Giants didn’t want a touchdown in that situation. The best-case scenario for New York would have been to run the ball one more time, draining the clock and forcing the Patriots to expend their final timeout. Then, with just a few seconds remaining, send in the field goal unit for what would have been a 99 percent kick in perfect indoor conditions to take the lead by a point, leaving virtually no time for the Patriots to respond. Using Win Probability (a simple estimate of who's going to win based on score and other variables), we know that if Bradshaw been able to stop his momentum and fall prior to scoring, the Giants would have had a 0.98 WP—in other words, a 98 percent chance of winning.

While it looked as if Bradshaw was pulling the video-game trick of burning an additional second or two prior to scoring, he told reporters after the game, "I tried to declare myself down and tapped down. My momentum took me into the end zone." When he scored, the Patriots had a minute left and one timeout, which typically amounts to a 0.88 WP. The touchdown actually cost the Giants 0.1 WP and unnecessarily kept the Patriots’ hopes alive.

The smartest play of all would've been for Belichick to have allowed the touchdown even earlier. The Patriots certainly could have done so on the play prior to Bradshaw's touchdown run, when he was stopped for a one-yard gain, forcing New England to burn its second timeout. In fact, they probably should have allowed a touchdown as early as the two-minute warning. That’s the point at which the Win Probability of receiving a kickoff down by four or six points (0.23) exceeds the Win Probability of trying to stop the Giants from bleeding the clock dry (0.2). The Patriots would have had almost two minutes, two timeouts, and all four downs available to get a touchdown and steal the win. The lesson: New England didn't lie down soon enough.






After reading the above twice, I guess that I almost understand now,
PS: not everybody is as gifted as you are Atabey



Actually, Belichick's error was in NOT ALLOWING the Giants to score SOONER on the drive.



That would have made much more sense to me and millions of others
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RE: The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
Quote:
generoso previously said:

Quote:
Atabey previously said:

Quote:
generoso previously said:

Quote:
Atabey previously said:


I guess some people don't want to learn why the play happened

Quote:
Atabey previously said:

NFL 2011
The ballsiest call in Super Bowl history.

By Brian Burke|Posted Monday, Feb. 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM ET

This NFL roundtable is a seasonlong partnership between Slate and Deadspin.

Check back here each week as a rotating cast of football watchers discusses the weekend's key plays, coaching decisions, and traumatic brain injuries. And click here to play the latest episode of Slate’s sports podcast Hang Up and Listen.


5: Math Says If Wes Welker Catches That Ball, The Patriots Win
By: Brian Burke

4: "Was That a Sasquatch?” The Misery of Watching Canadian Super Bowl Ads
By: Matthew Black

3: Did the Giants Put 12 Men on the Field on Purpose for Brady’s First Hail Mary?
By: Barry Petchesky

2: The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
By: Brian Burke


Preseason
Ahmad Bradshaw

The Giants' Ahmad Bradshaw scores the game-winning touchown after the Patriots decided to let him score.

Photo by TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP/Getty Images.

Bill Belichick may have made one of the gutsiest calls in Super Bowl history: instructing his defense to allow the Giants to score the go-ahead touchdown with just a minute remaining. The only gutsier move would've been for the Giants to respond by not scoring. Instead, Ahmad Bradshaw’s six-yard run and subsequent pratfall into the end zone may have been the most counterproductive score of all time.


That run came on second down, with 1:04 remaining. Here’s why the Giants didn’t want a touchdown in that situation. The best-case scenario for New York would have been to run the ball one more time, draining the clock and forcing the Patriots to expend their final timeout. Then, with just a few seconds remaining, send in the field goal unit for what would have been a 99 percent kick in perfect indoor conditions to take the lead by a point, leaving virtually no time for the Patriots to respond. Using Win Probability (a simple estimate of who's going to win based on score and other variables), we know that if Bradshaw been able to stop his momentum and fall prior to scoring, the Giants would have had a 0.98 WP—in other words, a 98 percent chance of winning.

While it looked as if Bradshaw was pulling the video-game trick of burning an additional second or two prior to scoring, he told reporters after the game, "I tried to declare myself down and tapped down. My momentum took me into the end zone." When he scored, the Patriots had a minute left and one timeout, which typically amounts to a 0.88 WP. The touchdown actually cost the Giants 0.1 WP and unnecessarily kept the Patriots’ hopes alive.

The smartest play of all would've been for Belichick to have allowed the touchdown even earlier. The Patriots certainly could have done so on the play prior to Bradshaw's touchdown run, when he was stopped for a one-yard gain, forcing New England to burn its second timeout. In fact, they probably should have allowed a touchdown as early as the two-minute warning. That’s the point at which the Win Probability of receiving a kickoff down by four or six points (0.23) exceeds the Win Probability of trying to stop the Giants from bleeding the clock dry (0.2). The Patriots would have had almost two minutes, two timeouts, and all four downs available to get a touchdown and steal the win. The lesson: New England didn't lie down soon enough.






After reading the above twice, I guess that I almost understand now,
PS: not everybody is as gifted as you are Atabey



Actually, Belichick's error was in NOT ALLOWING the Giants to score SOONER on the drive.



That would have made much more sense to me and millions of others




He got greedy and thought he could stop the Giants and forced them to attempt a field goal, and thus ONLY need a field goal in return to win the Championship.


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RE: The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
Quote:
Atabey previously said:

Quote:
generoso previously said:

Quote:
Atabey previously said:


I guess some people don't want to learn why the play happened

Quote:
Atabey previously said:

NFL 2011
The ballsiest call in Super Bowl history.

By Brian Burke|Posted Monday, Feb. 6, 2012, at 8:30 AM ET

This NFL roundtable is a seasonlong partnership between Slate and Deadspin.

Check back here each week as a rotating cast of football watchers discusses the weekend's key plays, coaching decisions, and traumatic brain injuries. And click here to play the latest episode of Slate’s sports podcast Hang Up and Listen.


5: Math Says If Wes Welker Catches That Ball, The Patriots Win
By: Brian Burke

4: "Was That a Sasquatch?” The Misery of Watching Canadian Super Bowl Ads
By: Matthew Black

3: Did the Giants Put 12 Men on the Field on Purpose for Brady’s First Hail Mary?
By: Barry Petchesky

2: The Ballsiest Call in Super Bowl History
By: Brian Burke


Preseason
Ahmad Bradshaw

The Giants' Ahmad Bradshaw scores the game-winning touchown after the Patriots decided to let him score.

Photo by TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP/Getty Images.

Bill Belichick may have made one of the gutsiest calls in Super Bowl history: instructing his defense to allow the Giants to score the go-ahead touchdown with just a minute remaining. The only gutsier move would've been for the Giants to respond by not scoring. Instead, Ahmad Bradshaw’s six-yard run and subsequent pratfall into the end zone may have been the most counterproductive score of all time.


That run came on second down, with 1:04 remaining. Here’s why the Giants didn’t want a touchdown in that situation. The best-case scenario for New York would have been to run the ball one more time, draining the clock and forcing the Patriots to expend their final timeout. Then, with just a few seconds remaining, send in the field goal unit for what would have been a 99 percent kick in perfect indoor conditions to take the lead by a point, leaving virtually no time for the Patriots to respond. Using Win Probability (a simple estimate of who's going to win based on score and other variables), we know that if Bradshaw been able to stop his momentum and fall prior to scoring, the Giants would have had a 0.98 WP—in other words, a 98 percent chance of winning.

While it looked as if Bradshaw was pulling the video-game trick of burning an additional second or two prior to scoring, he told reporters after the game, "I tried to declare myself down and tapped down. My momentum took me into the end zone." When he scored, the Patriots had a minute left and one timeout, which typically amounts to a 0.88 WP. The touchdown actually cost the Giants 0.1 WP and unnecessarily kept the Patriots’ hopes alive.

The smartest play of all would've been for Belichick to have allowed the touchdown even earlier. The Patriots certainly could have done so on the play prior to Bradshaw's touchdown run, when he was stopped for a one-yard gain, forcing New England to burn its second timeout. In fact, they probably should have allowed a touchdown as early as the two-minute warning. That’s the point at which the Win Probability of receiving a kickoff down by four or six points (0.23) exceeds the Win Probability of trying to stop the Giants from bleeding the clock dry (0.2). The Patriots would have had almost two minutes, two timeouts, and all four downs available to get a touchdown and steal the win. The lesson: New England didn't lie down soon enough.






After reading the above twice, I guess that I almost understand now,
PS: not everybody is as gifted as you are Atabey



Actually, Belichick's error was in NOT ALLOWING the Giants to score SOONER on the drive.




Very very true. Having Tom Brady as a QB gives you breating room, but he isn't God. Although I have been a Giants fan for years. So I don't really mind
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