USADR previously said:


Althoug this wasn't directed at me, I feel that I can safely assume the following:

-Not really Sub-Saharan or 'nappy headed' per se.

If they turn out to look similar to some natural beauties found among Tuareg/mixed Berbers, Arab/Berber/SSA mixes, Woodabe, horners & some Fulanis than yes.
The features least liked or found attractive in Sub-Sahara Africa, are the stereotypical very broad/thick features commonly found in high percentages among certain tribes/ethnic groups.

Angela Basset=yes. Whoopi Goldberg=No.

Christian previously said:




Uhh, Cibaenos are basically Dominicans that talk con la i. Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic have completely different vibes, Puerto Rico and Panama are more similar vibe-wise. Go deal with your inferiority complex, and being "light skinned" (Which most Cibaenos are NOT!) does not make you a Puerto Rican, there are black puerto ricans, look at all of the Black Puerto Rican Salseros who were in Fania.

And Dominicans of all skin tones still have that stupid look that makes me want to punch them in the face just for being alive, just like Jews.

Lautaro previously said:

There are two of us, then.

ElTorodeCibao previously said:



I would say there is a decent clique on here who does not conform to tht nonsense.

gdigosse previously said:

General Comments:
I was away for a couple of weeks. It seems to me nothing has changed. It’s almost like I never left. The same Haiti-bashing continues unabated. Whatever the subject, at some point it has to turn against Haiti in some way, shape or form. When I saw the thread about Dominican women, I thought it was a safe subject where Haiti would not be mentioned. But I should have known!

Haiti is a vast mosaic of people of all colors and the Dominicans here should know that very well. However for some reason only known to you guys, you want to believe that all Haitians are like the poor, illegal Haitians living in your country when you know very well that there are a good number of Haitians fairly wealthy, professionals, business owners, investors, students living in DR. From my own limited experience in DR, they seem to have excellent relationships with their Dominican friends and some Dominican men fairly well off seem to develop a particular fondness for the stylish elegance of some Haitian women living in DR.

As far as the western canon of beauty is concerned, at times it can be elusive at best. I crossed most of western Europe, from the most western point in Europe all the way to Prague. I can tell you that I have met some of the most unattractive and some of the most goddess-like women in the same places, namely Portugal and Southern Italy. The differences between these two groups of women can be summarized by 3 main factors: what generation they belong to, their level of education and a minimal social standing in society.

The generation effect is more pronounced in the societies where there was a substantial increase in the standard of living from one generation to the next. As a matter of fact, these factors seem to be universal and apply to every country I visited.

Another point:
Mr Mandou seems to believe that there was a difference between the black slaves going to the western side and the eastern side of the island.

He even stated that “those tribes with predominantly thick features” (whatever that means) went to Haiti, implying that tribes with “features less thick” went to the eastern part. This is a revolutionary thesis that contradicts every piece of research done in this area. On the island occupied by Haiti and DR, Slavery was introduced in the new world for the first time. It lasted about 300 years and that is where it dies also for the first time. For about 200 years of this period, the island was not divided. Please explain to me how that selection process was implemented to determine which blacks were supposed to go where and provide me your references. I am real curious.

According to all of the writings I have seen on that subject, the slave ship owners did not care where he was going to sell his slaves and keeping tribes together was the least of his problems, so much so that the members of the same family can be sold at random in any of the Caribbean islands or anywhere on the continent depending on the needs of the colonists. At the beginning of the trade, the first slaves to Cuba and to Hispaniola came from the same western coastal areas of Africa. As the available stock on the coast was being depleted over the centuries, the slave traders had to go further and further deep into the continent to find new stock.

All of us are entitled to our own opinions, however we are not entitled to create our own facts to curry favor with this or that group.

mandouafrika previously said:



I think your inferiority complex is showing. I don't know about anybody else because I haven't read the entire thread but I said nothing negative about Haiti or Haitian women. Regardless of if Haiti is a vast mosiac of colors (which I wouldn't call vast), most Haitian people have a typical look just like Dominicans have a typical look. Facial features tell more than a piece of research can in some cases and there are certain cultural cues which I think confirm what I'm saying. The typical darkskinned Haitian (whom are the majority) looks exactly like the typical person from Togo or Benin in my opinion. Not all of the tribes from Togo or Benin have the same features nor are all of them darkskinned.


http://www.mamiwata.com/origins.html

It is fascinating that centuries later Haitians have still retained so much of their ancestors.

The typical Mixed Dominican with a greater percentage of African dna looks similar to people from the Congo region as do many Afro-Brasilians and Afro-Cubans in my opinion. I'm quite sure that Congo isn't the only region that the first slaves were shipped off from (Nigeria and Cameroon comes to mind) but I think it is the main region as far as RD is concerned. And also remember that RD and then Cuba received the first slaves in the Western Hemisphere. I don't believe any were from the Togo-Benin region.

By the way, there is nothing derogatory about calling features thick. What other word would you use to denote on AVERAGE bigger lips,bigger noses and sometimes wider faces? Call a spade a spade. The typical Haitian looks distinctly West African but there many different distinct West African looks.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/julio_/496063178/

I have seen many Haitians who look just like this Togolese man or these Beninese women.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigberto/3686213899/

mandouafrika previously said:



I think your inferiority complex is showing. I don't know about anybody else because I haven't read the entire thread but I said nothing negative about Haiti or Haitian women. Regardless of if Haiti is a vast mosiac of colors (which I wouldn't call vast), most Haitian people have a typical look just like Dominicans have a typical look. Facial features tell more than a piece of research can in some cases and there are certain cultural cues which I think confirm what I'm saying. The typical darkskinned Haitian (whom are the majority) looks exactly like the typical person from Togo or Benin in my opinion. Not all of the tribes from Togo or Benin have the same features nor are all of them darkskinned.


http://www.mamiwata.com/origins.html

It is fascinating that centuries later Haitians have still retained so much of their ancestors.

The typical Mixed Dominican with a greater percentage of African dna looks similar to people from the Congo region as do many Afro-Brasilians and Afro-Cubans in my opinion. I'm quite sure that Congo isn't the only region that the first slaves were shipped off from (Nigeria and Cameroon comes to mind) but I think it is the main region as far as RD is concerned. And also remember that RD and then Cuba received the first slaves in the Western Hemisphere. I don't believe any were from the Togo-Benin region.

By the way, there is nothing derogatory about calling features thick. What other word would you use to denote on AVERAGE bigger lips,bigger noses and sometimes wider faces? Call a spade a spade. The typical Haitian looks distinctly West African but there many different distinct West African looks.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/julio_/496063178/

I have seen many Haitians who look just like this Togolese man or these Beninese women.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigberto/3686213899/