| #51 - Posted 4 August 2009, 2:00 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People Join date: November 2008 Member #: 1609 Posts: 1807 | RE: Cement Plant in Los Haitises??? Quote: DominicanChic previously said: A few things: - Thanks for the link Popon - If so many different groups have opposed it, then there is definitely something wrong with it. Different parties need to get their stories straight. According to Spanish news sources, the reason for the outcry is that it won't even create enough long-term jobs to be worth the environmental damage. Total long-term employment (not short-term while building it) is a meager 123 jobs. You can argue that something is better than nothing, but then again if the health hazards are going to be so great that the money spent on medical care for the residents will by far exceed the money families bring in from working there, is it really worth it? - You can't just look at the short-term prospects for jobs on these projects. The battery recycling center in Haina once provided jobs also but today is one of the most contaminated places on earth.Lack of long-term vision and planning is part of what has contributed to DR's under-development. - Lastly, it was reported (I can't seem to find the article anywhere after reading it), that there is a major religious figure in the country that stands to take a big piece of the cementera's pie. Powerful interests have been behind making the issue disappear from the news and newspapers. The protests have been gaining more momentum as of late and there were people wounded with gunshots. The powerful interests are looking at building apartment complexes now to see if they can "shut the people up" but it looks like it may not work either. You welcome DominicanChic, in one of the videos Yumnuk3 posted, it seems the rector from one the top universities (was that Agripino) is in the picture. Again, one of the guys intervied mentioned that he and others were invited to attend such ceremony, but nothing else was explained to them. They should build this plant in the west. There is plenty of space there. "PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry" |
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| #52 - Posted 4 August 2009, 6:06 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3248 Posts: 180 | RE: Cement Plant in Los Haitises??? Quote: poponlaburra previously said: Quote: DominicanChic previously said: A few things: - Thanks for the link Popon - If so many different groups have opposed it, then there is definitely something wrong with it. Different parties need to get their stories straight. According to Spanish news sources, the reason for the outcry is that it won't even create enough long-term jobs to be worth the environmental damage. Total long-term employment (not short-term while building it) is a meager 123 jobs. You can argue that something is better than nothing, but then again if the health hazards are going to be so great that the money spent on medical care for the residents will by far exceed the money families bring in from working there, is it really worth it? - You can't just look at the short-term prospects for jobs on these projects. The battery recycling center in Haina once provided jobs also but today is one of the most contaminated places on earth.Lack of long-term vision and planning is part of what has contributed to DR's under-development. - Lastly, it was reported (I can't seem to find the article anywhere after reading it), that there is a major religious figure in the country that stands to take a big piece of the cementera's pie. Powerful interests have been behind making the issue disappear from the news and newspapers. The protests have been gaining more momentum as of late and there were people wounded with gunshots. The powerful interests are looking at building apartment complexes now to see if they can "shut the people up" but it looks like it may not work either. You welcome DominicanChic, in one of the videos Yumnuk3 posted, it seems the rector from one the top universities (was that Agripino) is in the picture. Again, one of the guys intervied mentioned that he and others were invited to attend such ceremony, but nothing else was explained to them. They should build this plant in the west. There is plenty of space there. They should build the plant where it is planned to be built. If you that a cement plant can be built and operated with just 123 people, then you are completely nuts. Excuse me for any disrespect. I suggest you investigate the facts for yourself and stop reading news reports from spin-masters bent on trying to "shake-down" this company in exchange for haulting the protests. I am not the least bit convinced by what is being said here. In support of their position these people conclude that "the Intertox study was financed by Titan and that such a study always represents a huge bias in favor of a product's manufacturer. Because they paid for it." I can say the same about these comments about the report, because it is being advanced by individuals whose protests are funded by the people who want no plant built. The Protesters here also conclude that Titan's claims of managing any risks by adhering to proposed regulations is refuted by more than 300 local Health care workers, doctors, ect. Locally, I assume from reading this means the Dominican Republic. But this is not the case. It refers to Healthcare workers in the U.S. There is no discussion advanced as to precautions taken as to any risks here in the D.R. In the absence of such a discussion, I must assume there are no or minimal risks to the environment here in the D.R. I must also conclude that these protests, like the Trolls here are just created to wreck havoc for the sake of creating problems. Relying on out of country data, flimsy data at that. Advancing an opposing view point is essential in such a situation. My own research reveals that Titan America has been honored multiple times just in the past few months for environmental excellence, safety, land stewardship, conservation, sustainability and energy efficiency. That the company has been recognized time and again by a host of communities, their peers and the cement plant industry speaks volumes about their commitment to any governing objective and core values. The cement industry in the U.S. has always been highly regulated. The regulations were created, reviewed and agreed upon by federal and state authorities, as well as numerous stakeholders, including environmental groups. These limits are in place to protect public health and companies must comply with them at all times. Absolutely no evidence has been advanced to conclude otherwise. There are additional benefits that I could explain here, but will not because none has really been advanced to refute the reasons for building this plant. Brasilenos4ever!!!! Brasilenos4ever!!!!!!!!! |
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| #53 - Posted 4 August 2009, 6:08 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3248 Posts: 180 | RE: Cement Plant in Los Haitises??? Quote: DominicanChic previously said: A few things: - Thanks for the link Popon - If so many different groups have opposed it, then there is definitely something wrong with it. Different parties need to get their stories straight. According to Spanish news sources, the reason for the outcry is that it won't even create enough long-term jobs to be worth the environmental damage. Total long-term employment (not short-term while building it) is a meager 123 jobs. You can argue that something is better than nothing, but then again if the health hazards are going to be so great that the money spent on medical care for the residents will by far exceed the money families bring in from working there, is it really worth it? - You can't just look at the short-term prospects for jobs on these projects. The battery recycling center in Haina once provided jobs also but today is one of the most contaminated places on earth.Lack of long-term vision and planning is part of what has contributed to DR's under-development. - Lastly, it was reported (I can't seem to find the article anywhere after reading it), that there is a major religious figure in the country that stands to take a big piece of the cementera's pie. Powerful interests have been behind making the issue disappear from the news and newspapers. The protests have been gaining more momentum as of late and there were people wounded with gunshots. The powerful interests are looking at building apartment complexes now to see if they can "shut the people up" but it looks like it may not work either. Cement plants like the one being built in the D.R. brings significant economic growth to a Country where thousands of its citizens are dirt poor and in need of jobs. In addition to the addition of thousands of jobs, the new plant will have a far-reaching spillover effect throughout a variety of sectors. For example, Capital investment of millions of dollars in buildings, equipment, machinery and site preparation will be enjoyed. Annual fiscal impact will also be in the millions of dollars. Some 1,730 to 2,133 new jobs for Dominicans not Haitians. Operations Phase will also see the creation of jobs in the hundreds for current students enrolled in Dominican Universities in fields related to this type of industry. Also as the only major cement manufacturing plant in the Dominican Republic it will redirect revenue currently spent on importing cement from other countries. The Dominican Republic imported millions of tons of cement in 2003-2007. This will obviously double in the next few years without this Plant. Because the D.R. is a rapidly growing country, current suppliers in neighboring countries cannot meet projected cement needs for the Country. This new Plant being bulit will therefore help ensure that the Dominican Republic will continue to meet demands created by its rapidly growing construction industry. I suggest that when advancing a position the people doing so, put forth clear and concise arguments supported by real evidence instead of the flimsy evidence I see here. Evidence similar to all the other issues I have addressed in this Forum, all of which, like the one here have been rebutted. I say build the plant, create the jobs needed to help energize the Dominican economy. I also say Brasilenos4ever!!!!!!!!! |
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| #54 - Posted 4 August 2009, 7:10 PM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390 | RE: Cement Plant in Los Haitises??? Quote: poponlaburra previously said: Quote: yumnuk3 previously said: Quote: poponlaburra previously said: Yumnuk3, these are great videos you posted!!! Thanks. They are really great and touching to see the young population together for this cause. Why can they build this cementera in other place, there is so much land in the border why can they build it there? Why in the Haitises area is my question?? Why this damage? I'll definitely pack my camping gear for my next trip to DR. I'm in camping in los Haitises to support this cause. Congratulations Popon!!!! Way to take a stand by protesting. This is a great way for us to stand up for our beliefs and I'm happy to see that young people are utilizing their voices and standing up for their environment I value our environment and want to discuss ways to best protect it for people and wildlife...The toxin in cement plants can damage the brain and nervous system and is especially dangerous to fetuses and small children. I can't help but feel that us Dominicans are just getting suckered left, right and center by our disgustingly greedy politicians. How dare these selfish greedy bastards put the profits of companies before the lives of people. Our politicians are doing all they can to make life sweeter for themselves all the while sacrificing the lives of the people they have vowed to help. This system has to stop and we must stand up for ourselves, we must take time to right emails & letters, to vote, to peacefully protest and to help each other or they will win and their agenda will come to fruition. We must stop these sick greedy bastards from destroying our beloved island Thanks yumnuk3, Thanks again for the great post. We have so much non-habitated barren land in DR, why can they build this cement plant in these barren lands, why in Los Haitises area? We do not have to be expert on the subject, just common since to know the devastating effect of such contaminants in this paradise of Los Haitises. We do not have to be geologists or ecologist to know that the byproducts of the cement plant especially mercury and sulfur could wipe out the fist animals in the food chain, the insects, in particular the pollinators. What would we do without them? Well the other animals that feed on them will either disappear due to contaminants related illness and low supply of these insects. Then, the devastation will affect the flora. Without the pollinators the plants can not reproduce! There goes Los Haitises!!! Common sense based on actual facts. Great post Popon. You brought up many great points! There is scientific evidence that pollinators decline Is reducing food supply. It's just too bad Jaime David Mirabal has sold out to special interest groups.... Los Haitises national park is one of the primary sources of water on the island. You do not have to be an environmental extremist to understand that you cannot build Cement Plant that affects over 40% of country´s drinking water source. Edited on 8/11/2009 8:34 AM by yumnuk3. |
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| #55 - Posted 11 August 2009, 8:31 AM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390 | RE: Cement Plant in Los Haitises??? |
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