| #1 - Posted 10 May 2009, 7:40 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Dominican Republic Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2699 Posts: 5 | backclash against anti-abortion legislation The DR congress just passed some of the harshest anti-abortion legislation-Article 30- of recent years. This is part of president Fernandez 's attempt to re-write the constitution. The far right , the mainstrean media & the catholic church mounted an agressive campaign to push for this law. There's been a backclash against Article 30. Here's a link to the most recent march in support of women's reproductive rights: http://www.clavedigital.com/App_Pages/Portada/Titulares.aspx?Id_Articulo=18065 Edited on 5/10/2009 7:48 PM by carlosespaillat. |
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| #2 - Posted 11 May 2009, 8:29 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: backclash against anti-abortion legislation Quote: carlosespaillat previously said: The DR congress just passed some of the harshest anti-abortion legislation-Article 30- of recent years. This is part of president Fernandez 's attempt to re-write the constitution. The far right , the mainstrean media & the catholic church mounted an agressive campaign to push for this law. There's been a backclash against Article 30. Here's a link to the most recent march in support of women's reproductive rights: http://www.clavedigital.com/App_Pages/Portada/Titulares.aspx?Id_Articulo=18065 YOu are way off base. he did not "re-write the constitution". The Congress simply upheld the EXISTING law against abortion. In Canada, whenever they had marches, the pro-life marches were on average 10 times larger than the pro-murder the babay marches. I wonder why... Abortion's Effects on Women By Mrs. Ann Warner Physical Effects: Miscarriages Ectopic Pregnancies Perforated Uterus/Infections Nervousness Frigidity Sterility/Stillbirths Shock Fever/Cold Sweats Loss of Other Organs Psychological Effects: Unfulfillment/Sense of Loss Despair Loss of Confidence in Decision-Making Intense Interest in Babies Loss of Interest in Sex Feeling of Dehumanization Feelings of Being exploited Flashback of the Actual Abortion Guilt/Suicidal Impulses Mourning Regret/Remorse Inability to Focus (School or Work) Anniversaries (of Actual Due Date and Abortion Date) Eating Disorders Sleeping Disorders Low Self-Esteem Fear of Something Happening to One of their Other Children Cannot Forgive Themselves Trouble with Understanding and Accepting God's Forgiveness Nightmares Sighing ... Crying Hopelessness/Helplessness Anger/Denial Problem with Trusting Another Partner Fear of Never Being Given Another Pregnancy Depression/Anxiety Interruption of the Bonding Process with Present and/or Future Children Survival Guilt Alcohol/Drug Abuse Above is all well documented. So go ahead and support the destruction of babies and the mom's. Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #3 - Posted 11 May 2009, 10:05 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: April 2008 Member #: 660 Posts: 71 | where is the government or the catholic church when it comes to support of the families in need. Hundreds of baby's die in the Dominican republic because their parents can't afford their medical treatment. Limbs are cut off because it is cheaper than treating an infection. Children have to prostitute them self to make a living because their parents could not care less about them. And again... do you think this Law affects the rich ? think again !, they can fly out for an abortion on Friday and come back Sunday morning for brunch. The catholic church still (in the year 2009) officially condemns the use of condoms ! This practice is passive mass murder in a country with such a high aids Rate. And you call this PRO LIFE ? Pro misery fits better Take some time off from selling real estate in cabarete and connect yourself to the real Dominican society and their problems. You might be surprised but they are not about choosing between a 6000 or 8000 sq. ft Condo on a beautiful beach. Edited on 5/11/2009 12:25 PM by Patricia. |
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| #4 - Posted 11 May 2009, 12:27 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: William, say no to abortion is easy but.... Quote: Patricia previously said: where is the government or the catholic church when it comes to support the families in need. Hundreds of baby's die in the Dominican republic because their parents can't afford their medical treatment. Limbs are cut off because it is cheaper than treating an infection. Children have to prostitute them self to make a living because their parents could not care less about them. And again... do you think this Law affects the rich ? think again !, they can fly out for an abortion on Friday and come back Sunday morning for brunch. The catholic church still (in the year 2009) officially condemns the use of condoms ! This practice is passive mass murder in a country with such a high aids Rate. And you call this PRO LIFE ? Pro misery fits better Take some time off from selling real estate in cabarete and connect yourself to the real Dominican society and their problems. You might be surprised but they are not about choosing between a 6000 or 8000 sq. ft Condo on a beautiful beach. I am heavily involved in relief work. Killing unborn babies and ruining the mothers is no solution. As for churches helping, shall I send you the links of hundreds of relief NGO's in the DR all of them CHRISTIAN based. People giving up lucrative careers in NA to come here and help the poor. I just came from one older couple, they adopt kids with severe problems. They have a little girl, with water on the brain, and they paid for the ooperation that saved her life, out of their own pockets, not the overseas funds. Killing babies makes the whole situation worse. As for prostitution, there are five villages that now have new houses, schools, medical clinics, all paid for by Christians. Now these girls get and education and are safe! As for selling condos, no other job here allows me to make enough money and have lots fo time over for relief work, like taking teams to the villages. Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #5 - Posted 11 May 2009, 6:27 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Dominican Republic Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2699 Posts: 5 | RE: William, say no to abortion is easy but.... Women should have access to healthcare. Abortion is a healthcare issue not moral or religious. Most catholics in the DR support abortion, some there's hope for the future. I mean, look at the marches: they're huge. I've never seen anything like it! Behind the abortion ban is the government's attempt to undermine public sector healthcare services in the DR. How does the government do this? First, by refusing to raise doctor's salaries so they'll give up and leave the country or join a private clinic. Second, by allowing NGOs funded through USAID to "provide" services for poor communities when it should be building hospitals and boticas populares to lower drugs. |
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| #6 - Posted 11 May 2009, 8:06 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: Abortionis killing human life. period. Gianna Jessen Testimony of abortion survivor Gianna Jessen before the Constitution Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee on April 22, 1996. My name is Gianna Jessen. I am 19 years of age. I am originally from California, but now reside in Franklin, Tennessee. I am adopted. I have cerebral palsy. My biological mother was 17 years old and seven and one-half months pregnant when she made the decision to have a saline abortion. I am the person she aborted. I lived instead of died. Fortunately for me the abortionist was not in the clinic when I arrived alive, instead of dead, at 6:00 a.m. on the morning of April 6, 1977. I was early, my death was not expected to be seen until about 9 a.m., when he would probably be arriving for his office hours. I am sure I would not be here today if the abortionist would have been in the clinic as his job is to take life, not sustain it. Some have said I am a "botched abortion", a result of a job not well done. There were many witnesses to my entry into this world. My biological mother and other young girls in the clinic, who also awaited the death of their babies, were the first to greet me. I am told this was a hysterical moment. Next was a staff nurse who apparently called emergency medical services and had me transferred to a hospital. I remained in the hospital for almost three months. There was not much hope for me in the beginning. I weighed only two pounds. Today, babies smaller than I was have survived. A doctor once said I had a great will to live and that I fought for my life. I eventually was able to leave the hospital and be placed in foster care. I was diagnosed with cerebral palsy as a result of the abortion. My foster mother was told that it was doubtful that I would ever crawl or walk. I could not sit up independently. Through the prayers and dedication of my foster mother, and later many other people, I eventually learned to sit up, crawl, then stand. I walked with leg braces and a walker shortly before I turned age four. I was legally adopted by my foster mother's daughter, Diana De Paul, a few months after I began to walk. The Department of Social Services would not release me any earlier for adoption. I have continued in physical therapy for my disability, and after a total of four surgeries, I can now walk without assistance. It is not always easy. Sometimes I fall, but I have learned how to fall gracefully after falling 19 years. I am happy to be alive. I almost died. Every day I thank God for life. I do not consider myself a by-product of conception, a clump of tissue, or any other of the titles given to a child in the womb. I do not consider any person conceived to be any of those things. I have met other survivors of abortion. They are all thankful for life. Only a few months ago I met another saline abortion survivor. Her name is Sarah. She is two years old. Sarah also has cerebral palsy, but her diagnosis is not good. She is blind and has severe seizures. The abortionist, besides injecting the mother with saline, also injects the baby victims. Sarah was injected in the head. I saw the place on her head where this was done. When I speak, I speak not only for myself, but for the other survivors, like Sarah, and also for those who cannot yet speak ... Today, a baby is a baby when convenient. It is tissue or otherwise when the time is not right. A baby is a baby when miscarriage takes place at two, three, four months. A baby is called a tissue or clumps of cells when an abortion takes place at two, three, four months. Why is that? I see no difference. What are you seeing? Many close there eyes... The best thing I can show you to defend life is my life. It has been a great gift. Killing is not the answer to any question or situation. Show me how it is the answer. There is a quote which is etched into the high ceilings of one of our state's capitol buildings. The quote says, "Whatever is morally wrong, is not politically correct." Abortion is morally wrong. Our country is shedding the blood of the innocent. America is killing its future. All life is valuable. All life is a gift from our Creator. We must receive and cherish the gifts we are given. We must honor the right to life. Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #7 - Posted 13 May 2009, 8:19 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: William, say no to abortion is easy but.... Quote: carlosespaillat previously said: Women should have access to healthcare. Abortion is a healthcare issue not moral or religious. Most catholics in the DR support abortion, some there's hope for the future. I mean, look at the marches: they're huge. I've never seen anything like it! Behind the abortion ban is the government's attempt to undermine public sector healthcare services in the DR. How does the government do this? First, by refusing to raise doctor's salaries so they'll give up and leave the country or join a private clinic. Second, by allowing NGOs funded through USAID to "provide" services for poor communities when it should be building hospitals and boticas populares to lower drugs. "Women should have access to healthcare" yes, and abortion has been proven to be extremely UNHEALTHY for the mother, and even more so for the child that she kills! Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #8 - Posted 20 May 2009, 4:13 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Dominican Republic Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2699 Posts: 5 | RE: William, say no to abortion is easy but.... The real problem is lack of healthcare not abortion. This is the reality here and in the US where healthcare is privatized. Apparently, the dominican government is heading in the same direction by funding private clinics for the rich in Santiago. It's interesting how the government is enacting draconian laws against women while the majority of the people support women's reproductive rights for the first time ever. Conservative ideas have less of a hold on people. People's ideas are changing rapidly-and so it's the region. |
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| #9 - Posted 20 May 2009, 6:35 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: William, say no to abortion is easy but.... Quote: carlosespaillat previously said: The real problem is lack of healthcare not abortion. This is the reality here and in the US where healthcare is privatized. Apparently, the dominican government is heading in the same direction by funding private clinics for the rich in Santiago. It's interesting how the government is enacting draconian laws against women while the majority of the people support women's reproductive rights for the first time ever. Conservative ideas have less of a hold on people. People's ideas are changing rapidly-and so it's the region. Due to the facts that people in the USA are only now beocming aware of (did you read the posts before yours???) the in the USA People's ideas are changing rapidly - you got that right - for the first time in 25 years the majority are pro-life, not pro-baby killing. Regardless, morals must never be a majority issue - was slavery right in the south when the majority supported it? Yes? No? Why? Because morals must never be a decided by a majority.... Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #10 - Posted 20 May 2009, 9:12 PM | |
Location: United States, Seattle, W.A. Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2555 Posts: 3423 | RE: William, say no to abortion is easy but.... Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: carlosespaillat previously said: The real problem is lack of healthcare not abortion. This is the reality here and in the US where healthcare is privatized. Apparently, the dominican government is heading in the same direction by funding private clinics for the rich in Santiago. It's interesting how the government is enacting draconian laws against women while the majority of the people support women's reproductive rights for the first time ever. Conservative ideas have less of a hold on people. People's ideas are changing rapidly-and so it's the region. Due to the facts that people in the USA are only now beocming aware of (did you read the posts before yours???) the in the USA People's ideas are changing rapidly - you got that right - for the first time in 25 years the majority are pro-life, not pro-baby killing. Regardless, morals must never be a majority issue - was slavery right in the south when the majority supported it? Yes? No? Why? Because morals must never be a decided by a majority.... You know Carlos there is always another option before facing abortion as the first one. They could try protected sex,they could stop having sex until they get marry or if something major like rape or incenst were to happen then in that case it could be considered but if it was me i would allow the baby to be born anyways. I'm pro-life and glad that my country represents what i am and the majority. Killing babies or as Liberals call it abortion to make it look pretty should be considered a crime because it is taking the life away from a unborn child who didn't have any fault at all for the inresponsibility of the parents. Vasectomy is another option and many more out there but KILLING BABIES is a crime and i hope anybody practicing it be put to justice. "People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs" |
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