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Whenever I'm in Santo Domingo which is far from Haiti, I see alot of black dominicans. I've seen more black dominicans than I've seen black cubans and apparently, they both have 10% black populations. Which country is lying to themselves here?
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Yea in santo domingo most people in the capital and santo domingo are black if you come to santiago whicj is closer to haiti then santo domingo you will see how a real dominican looks like
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We are an ultra Black nation.

The south and east are.
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Listen that is bull! I live in the capital and yes we have more blacks than the rest of the country but even in the Capital the majority of Dominicans arent pure black! You will see more blacks than in Cuba because Cuba doesn't share island with Haiti (Even my 4 year old niece wouldve guessed that one) but overall the pure blacks in the whole island make up about 11% of our entire population. En Villa Juana most Dominicans are poor and Mulattos and you see blacks too ofcourse but you also see man black Haitians but if you do a census of the number of Dominicans in the Capital I guarantee you the majority will not be blacks but Mulattos. I live in this city, work in this city, take my nieces to school in this city, shop in this city even ride the Metro every know and then in this city therefore do not tell me what my city's demographics are because there is no way on Earth you will know more than me on this issue!
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what are you saying yes most dominicans in the capital are mulatos just as the rest of the country but their is a difference between a mulato that has more black then white in them and in the capital most mulatos look more like black then anything else. Its funy that two years ago my family made a trip to la altagracia privince and we stop in the capital to eat and my little inocent brother ask my dad if we were in haiti because almost everyone was black he thought this way since most black people he saw in santiago are hatians so he used to think that all balck people were hatians. ohh by the way i been to the capital several times and believe me most people might be mulatos but they look black the only light dominicans are either the rich elite or cibaenos that live in that city.

.....deicibao............. most black people he saw in santiago are hatians so he used to think that all balck people were hatians. ohh by the way i been to the capital several times and believe me most people might be mulatos but they look black the only light dominicans are either the rich elite or cibaenos that live in that city.

Not only Cibaeños from the city are of a lighter complexion but most particularly those from the deep country side or remote mountain areas. In fact the more isolated the community the whiter it gets. No Haitian were unable to enter and intermingle with the locals because of the difficulty of access. For this reason, the authentic Cibaeño culture was able to remain relatively intact. However, with the advent of technology, better roads, communication and improved transportation systems with time that will change and eventually no longer be true.

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Whenever I'm in Santo Domingo which is far from Haiti, I see alot of black dominicans. I've seen more black dominicans than I've seen black cubans and apparently, they both have 10% black populations. Which country is lying to themselves here?
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Yea in santo domingo most people in the capital and santo domingo are black if you come to santiago whicj is closer to haiti then santo domingo you will see how a real dominican looks like
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We are an ultra Black nation.

The south and east are.
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Listen that is bull! I live in the capital and yes we have more blacks than the rest of the country but even in the Capital the majority of Dominicans arent pure black! You will see more blacks than in Cuba because Cuba doesn't share island with Haiti (Even my 4 year old niece wouldve guessed that one) but overall the pure blacks in the whole island make up about 11% of our entire population. En Villa Juana most Dominicans are poor and Mulattos and you see blacks too ofcourse but you also see man black Haitians but if you do a census of the number of Dominicans in the Capital I guarantee you the majority will not be blacks but Mulattos. I live in this city, work in this city, take my nieces to school in this city, shop in this city even ride the Metro every know and then in this city therefore do not tell me what my city's demographics are because there is no way on Earth you will know more than me on this issue!
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what are you saying yes most dominicans in the capital are mulatos just as the rest of the country but their is a difference between a mulato that has more black then white in them and in the capital most mulatos look more like black then anything else. Its funy that two years ago my family made a trip to la altagracia privince and we stop in the capital to eat and my little inocent brother ask my dad if we were in haiti because almost everyone was black he thought this way since most black people he saw in santiago are hatians so he used to think that all balck people were hatians. ohh by the way i been to the capital several times and believe me most people might be mulatos but they look black the only light dominicans are either the rich elite or cibaenos that live in that city.
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En la capital hay prietos pero tambien ahi muchisimos blancos que no son del Cibao! My mother is from the capital born and raised and she is white with green eyes, blonde que la confunden con gringa. Y asi son toda su familia tambien, n most of my neighbors en Arroyo Hondo son todos blancos oh Indios y no son Cibaenos, son capitalenos, y la mayoria de la gente de Los Prados, Las Praderas, El Millon, Anacaona, Ensanche Quisquella, Urbanizacion Fernandez, Piantini, Evaristo Morales, Los Rios, Puerta de Hierro, Gazcue, Los Cacicazgos, Ensanche la Julia, Urb. Miramar, La Independencia, Bella Vista etc son blancos y son todos capitalenos. Lo que pasa es que en Santo Domingo los blancos son mas la clase media y alta mientras en el Cibao tambien son los barriales. Pero en la capital ahi muchisimos sectores donde la mayoria son blancos y indios Capitalenos.

No one area is completely racial homogeneous, that's obvious. There are generalizations of course, like El Cibao is lighter/White, El Sur is more mulatto, and El este is very black. But there's communities all over the place who don't fit those generalizations.

Okay, I see the potential for the current theme of this thread to turn sour.

I don't anyone is saying there are NO people of (insert phenotype/ancestry) in such and such region.
I gave this breakdown before, and the posters agreed it was a fair breakdown:

Cibao: Historically, the highest percentage of people with pred. European ancestry/features, especially in those campos & towns of the interior. This doesn't mean that people of pred. SSA ancestry, or tri-racials are rare, just that this most populous region of DR has always had a high percentage of said people. Also the highest amount of Taino DNA found here so far.

The South: Highest percentage of mixed (mulattos/tri-racials/zambos). Alot of Amerindian influenced phenotypes in interior campos surrounding San Juan De La Maguana, Las Matas De Farfan & Azua. Second highest area of Taino DNA. Also areas where there's a relative high percentage of blancos lik Bani. I go beyond mere skin color, look carefully at their features and you'll see alot of people who can walk around in Morocco, Libya, Algeria & Egypt without calling attention.

The Capital/San Cristobal: I always recall seeing alot of people of pred. SSA ancestry, I can probably take a random crowd picture in the Capital and if not for the clothes people would think one is in some North African country. The stereotype of Capitalenos is that they're 'negros', but that is too simple of a label. Of course whites are not rare, I'm talking about frequency.

The East: Historically the 'blackest' region, the stereotype of a PetroMacorisano is someone who looks like Ortiz or Sosa.
Of course there are also 'whites' and mixed types, someone correct me but isn't Otra band a town in this region, stereotyped for thier whiteness?


There are no exact numbers or rigid percentages.

They call us a 'mulato' nation, but I don't even think that label really captures how mixed our heritage really is. Also, the Arab influence is greatly underestimated.

Exactly.

IT WAS a white town. Nowadays it's shock full of haitians, like everywhere else.

I live in Urbanización Fernandez, and let me tell you, any foreigner that comes here right now would believe that he/she is in Haiti (if it weren't for the stylish buildings and the trees lining the streets). Heck, I went to my regular barber shop down the Charles Sumner lane, and all I heard today along the way was kreyol ayisien being spoken. It depressed me to no end. But then, people like Afrolatino start pointing fingers and accuse one of racism if one so much as dare to speak against this situation. Is it bad to rail against becoming a foreigner in one's own land?

Extremely well said, USADR.

I also reject the "mulatto" label. Recently I realized Wikipedia changed it from "mulatto" to "mixed race".

I don't count Haitians otherwise it'll be a completely different scenario. In my opinion, Haitians are temporary illegal migrants, I'm hoping my opinion is true DR for Dominicans first and foremost, I am ignorant of the political landscape of DR and who is who, but I'm doing my best to bring this issue to light. I don't know of one Dominican who disagrees here in the USA, I always ask why don't I see any marches or protests on this issue, I never get a good answer. I am waiting for the off the records thoughts of one of the JCE presidents, I really want to know what is in the minds of the 'leadership'. According to another person (very tight with said JCE person), according to his opinion, Leonel is a figure head and told me of 3 or 4 major players that are really running the show.
I'm not saying the JCE is special, but it's the only area in which I personally know people in leadership positions. '