The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.)

Okay, rarely do I post here but I just wanted to make my opinion heard once and for all.

I have seen various posters in this forum - right off the top of my head, Brasil and Ramon (AfroLatino?) - who keep repeating the same BS over and over. They argue that Dominicans claim to be "indian" or "indio/a" in order to deny having African ancestry.

First off, I have personally never seen a Dominican in this forum claim they are "indian" - though the correct terms are Native, Indigenous or even Amerindian. I have also never heard a Dominican in real life say and think they are Amerindian.

The problem with those of you who keep saying that Dominicans claim to be Indian as a way of denying their African ancestry, is that you guys don't listen and ask questions before making a conclusion. You guys rather make up your own reasons as to why something is and reiterate the same old tired rhetoric, which is annoying as hell lol.

I am going to attempt to explain what Dominicans in this board have been trying to explain to you guys all along...

When Dominicans use the term "indio/a", they use it as means of describing a specific skin color and tone; nothing more and nothing less.They aren't actually saying that they themselves are Native, Indigenous or Amerindian.

It is you guys who associate negative reasons as to why that term (indio/a) is used. But in reality, the term (indio/a) is only used to describe a person's complexion.

I wonder if any of you guys who keep making these negative assumptions about the usage of the word "indio/a" amongst Dominicans ever travel?

Brasil, under your profile pic, you have "international" for location. I'm assuming you must get out frequently. If this is true, then you must know that Dominicans are not the only ones who share this similar method of describing skin color, tones and complexions.This is very much a cross-cultural and even a GLOBAL commonality. We're you to be as traveled and well-versed as you implicate to be, then you would know this.

Speaking of which, Brasil, you tend to compare African-Americans a lot with Dominicans. You also defend the motives of African-Americans when they voice their concerns about blackness within Dominican identity.

So why have you chosen to ignore that this same method of describing and referring to peoples' skin color also exists within the African-American community?

Have you ever been to the South? (United States). Ever been to Atlanta? New Orleans?

African-Americans in these areas refer to each other as "red", "yellow", etc.

Are you going to tell me now, that African-Americans are denying their African ancestry too?

Are you going to tell me, that when African-Americans refer to one another as "red", that means they believe they are "Indian" too?

Are you going to tell me, that when African-Americans refer to one another as "yellow", that means they believe they are Asian?

Of course not! It's simply a way of describing a person's complexion in THAT particular part of the world and within THAT community, the same way trigueno, moreno, jabao, blanco, negro, indio, claro and many more terms are used in the Dominican Republic. And as I said, travel to other parts of the world and you will see this same phenomenon, so don't make it seem as if it's only Dominicans or even Latinos that do this.

On the same token, I have never in my life seen a "black man" that is actually BLACK. I have seen more "white people" that are actually PINK or even RED. I have seen no "Indians" that are actually red but more along the lines of BROWNISH/ORANGISH. And I have seen more Latinos, West Indians, Central/South/Southeast Asians , Middle-Easterners, Pacific Islanders, Europeans and "blacks" that are BROWN lol.

I have yet to understand why so many non-Dominicans (especially African-Americans) care so much about Dominican identity and issues. I'm certain Dominicans do not care so much for African-American identity and issues. And Lord knows they have issues going on in THEIR community!

But then again, don't we all? :O)

Edited on 6/24/2009 6:21 AM by ReinaDePapi.

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#3 - Posted 24 June 2009, 8:14 AM
mirabal4ever Location: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito" Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2380 Posts: 5004	RE: The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.) Quote: ReinaDePapi previously said: Okay, rarely do I post here but I just wanted to make my opinion heard once and for all. I have seen various posters in this forum - right off the top of my head, Brasil and Ramon (AfroLatino?) - who keep repeating the same BS over and over. They argue that Dominicans claim to be "indian" or "indio/a" in order to deny having African ancestry. First off, I have personally never seen a Dominican in this forum claim they are "indian" - though the correct terms are Native, Indigenous or even Amerindian. I have also never heard a Dominican in real life say and think they are Amerindian. The problem with those of you who keep saying that Dominicans claim to be Indian as a way of denying their African ancestry, is that you guys don't listen and ask questions before making a conclusion. You guys rather make up your own reasons as to why something is and reiterate the same old tired rhetoric, which is annoying as hell lol. I am going to attempt to explain what Dominicans in this board have been trying to explain to you guys all along... When Dominicans use the term "indio/a", they use it as means of describing a specific skin color and tone; nothing more and nothing less.They aren't actually saying that they themselves are Native, Indigenous or Amerindian. It is you guys who associate negative reasons as to why that term (indio/a) is used. But in reality, the term (indio/a) is only used to describe a person's complexion. I wonder if any of you guys who keep making these negative assumptions about the usage of the word "indio/a" amongst Dominicans ever travel? Brasil, under your profile pic, you have "international" for location. I'm assuming you must get out frequently. If this is true, then you must know that Dominicans are not the only ones who share this similar method of describing skin color, tones and complexions.This is very much a cross-cultural and even a GLOBAL commonality. We're you to be as traveled and well-versed as you implicate to be, then you would know this. Speaking of which, Brasil, you tend to compare African-Americans a lot with Dominicans. You also defend the motives of African-Americans when they voice their concerns about blackness within Dominican identity. So why have you chosen to ignore that this same method of describing and referring to peoples' skin color also exists within the African-American community? Have you ever been to the South? (United States). Ever been to Atlanta? New Orleans? African-Americans in these areas refer to each other as "red", "yellow", etc. Are you going to tell me now, that African-Americans are denying their African ancestry too? Are you going to tell me, that when African-Americans refer to one another as "red", that means they believe they are "Indian" too? Are you going to tell me, that when African-Americans refer to one another as "yellow", that means they believe they are Asian? Of course not! It's simply a way of describing a person's complexion in THAT particular part of the world and within THAT community, the same way trigueno, moreno, jabao, blanco, negro, indio, claro and many more terms are used in the Dominican Republic. And as I said, travel to other parts of the world and you will see this same phenomenon, so don't make it seem as if it's only Dominicans or even Latinos that do this. On the same token, I have never in my life seen a "black man" that is actually BLACK. I have seen more "white people" that are actually PINK or even RED. I have seen no "Indians" that are actually red but more along the lines of BROWNISH/ORANGISH. And I have seen more Latinos, West Indians, Central/South/Southeast Asians , Middle-Easterners, Pacific Islanders, Europeans and "blacks" that are BROWN lol. I have yet to understand why so many non-Dominicans (especially African-Americans) care so much about Dominican identity and issues. I'm certain Dominicans do not care so much for African-American identity and issues. And Lord knows they have issues going on in THEIR community! But then again, don't we all? :O) listen reina first of all brasil is a wolf in sheeps clothing with the woman so beware. he likes to send personal messages to people just to piss them off. you should hear some of the stuff he says about dominicans. he is one of the dumbest most idiotic people you will ever know. back to wolf in sheeps clothing he got a dominican stepfather an two dominican kids but yet how can he hate dominicans? the truth is he does its just that he only likes the dominican republic because he only goes there to sniff panties and thats it. brasil when you read what i just typed here to reina put it in the bank and remember what im saying because the poisin that im inflicting on you dosent tickle. by the way reina de papi continue to take care of your dominicano and i salute you on behalf of the dominican army of patriots Conocer al cojo sentao! Las Aguilas son Las Aguilas!!!!!!!!
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#1 - Posted 24 June 2009, 5:46 AM
ReinaDePapi Location: United States, California & Brooklyn, New York <3 Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2743 Posts: 53	The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.) Okay, rarely do I post here but I just wanted to make my opinion heard once and for all. I have seen various posters in this forum - right off the top of my head, Brasil and Ramon (AfroLatino?) - who keep repeating the same BS over and over. They argue that Dominicans claim to be "indian" or "indio/a" in order to deny having African ancestry. First off, I have personally never seen a Dominican in this forum claim they are "indian" - though the correct terms are Native, Indigenous or even Amerindian. I have also never heard a Dominican in real life say and think they are Amerindian. The problem with those of you who keep saying that Dominicans claim to be Indian as a way of denying their African ancestry, is that you guys don't listen and ask questions before making a conclusion. You guys rather make up your own reasons as to why something is and reiterate the same old tired rhetoric, which is annoying as hell lol. I am going to attempt to explain what Dominicans in this board have been trying to explain to you guys all along... When Dominicans use the term "indio/a", they use it as means of describing a specific skin color and tone; nothing more and nothing less.They aren't actually saying that they themselves are Native, Indigenous or Amerindian. It is you guys who associate negative reasons as to why that term (indio/a) is used. But in reality, the term (indio/a) is only used to describe a person's complexion. I wonder if any of you guys who keep making these negative assumptions about the usage of the word "indio/a" amongst Dominicans ever travel? Brasil, under your profile pic, you have "international" for location. I'm assuming you must get out frequently. If this is true, then you must know that Dominicans are not the only ones who share this similar method of describing skin color, tones and complexions.This is very much a cross-cultural and even a GLOBAL commonality. We're you to be as traveled and well-versed as you implicate to be, then you would know this. Speaking of which, Brasil, you tend to compare African-Americans a lot with Dominicans. You also defend the motives of African-Americans when they voice their concerns about blackness within Dominican identity. So why have you chosen to ignore that this same method of describing and referring to peoples' skin color also exists within the African-American community? Have you ever been to the South? (United States). Ever been to Atlanta? New Orleans? African-Americans in these areas refer to each other as "red", "yellow", etc. Are you going to tell me now, that African-Americans are denying their African ancestry too? Are you going to tell me, that when African-Americans refer to one another as "red", that means they believe they are "Indian" too? Are you going to tell me, that when African-Americans refer to one another as "yellow", that means they believe they are Asian? Of course not! It's simply a way of describing a person's complexion in THAT particular part of the world and within THAT community, the same way trigueno, moreno, jabao, blanco, negro, indio, claro and many more terms are used in the Dominican Republic. And as I said, travel to other parts of the world and you will see this same phenomenon, so don't make it seem as if it's only Dominicans or even Latinos that do this. On the same token, I have never in my life seen a "black man" that is actually BLACK. I have seen more "white people" that are actually PINK or even RED. I have seen no "Indians" that are actually red but more along the lines of BROWNISH/ORANGISH. And I have seen more Latinos, West Indians, Central/South/Southeast Asians , Middle-Easterners, Pacific Islanders, Europeans and "blacks" that are BROWN lol. I have yet to understand why so many non-Dominicans (especially African-Americans) care so much about Dominican identity and issues. I'm certain Dominicans do not care so much for African-American identity and issues. And Lord knows they have issues going on in THEIR community! But then again, don't we all? :O) Edited on 6/24/2009 6:21 AM by ReinaDePapi. Decir “te amo” inmediatamente antes, durante o después del sexo no cuenta.
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#2 - Posted 24 June 2009, 7:51 AM
Lautaro Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5613	RE: The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.) Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you for your words, Reina, you're really a beacon of light among all this darkness. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince
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#4 - Posted 24 June 2009, 12:59 PM
ElTorodeiCibao Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597	RE: The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.) But the Brasileno "Pardo" is no big deal, right? Dominicans are not the only ones to go by skin color. It's a hell of a lot more personal and progressive then the U.S. based ODR that you promote. It lessens the impact of that color over time and makes it no more important that eye or hair color. White supremacist legions defending White hood again...
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#6 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:03 PM
HateroPardo Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 846	RE: The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.) They are not legions, they are one lonely, injured and deformed boy.
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#7 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:05 PM
ElTorodeiCibao Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597	RE: The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.) Quote: Dummyinacan previously said: There are brown and light skinned people in Sub-Saharan Africa, whos to say that a pure Ethiopian with light skin is a mulatto? And why don't we talk about southern europeans being mixed? Again, since I know you're the same guy as Ramon and others, I'll explain... Ethiopian means NOTHING. It's like saying American. There are various ethnic groups in that country. BUT the ones you USUALLY think of as Ethiopians, are MOSTLY "Caucasian", to use an archaic term. Also, the admixture of SSA DNA in southern Euro's is on AVERAGE 5% and that's in the furthest reaches such as Sicily. Maybe I'm the fool for showing patience.. Edited on 6/24/2009 1:06 PM by ElTorodeCibao.
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#5 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:02 PM
mirabal4ever Location: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito" Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2380 Posts: 5004	RE: The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.) Quote: Dummyinacan previously said: And what's the point of describing yourself by skin color? You're black, even if you aren't as black as the congo, still black. It seems that "indio" and "moreno" are just terms for black dominicans to make them seem superior to their tar-dark peers when theres really no difference. ok the gospel according to someone thats so dumb cause i slapped him dumb. next Conocer al cojo sentao! Las Aguilas son Las Aguilas!!!!!!!!
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#8 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:07 PM
ElTorodeiCibao Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597	RE: The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.) Quote: Dummyinacan previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: But the Brasileno "Pardo" is no big deal, right? Dominicans are not the only ones to go by skin color. It's a hell of a lot more personal and progressive then the U.S. based ODR that you promote. It lessens the impact of that color over time and makes it no more important that eye or hair color. White supremacist legions defending White hood again... Most of the Brazilians I've seen were white. Same here, because they're rich and travel. But I've seen many brown, black, and Japanese ones.
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#9 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:08 PM
ElTorodeiCibao Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597	RE: The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.) Quote: HateroPardo previously said: They are not legions, they are one lonely, injured and deformed boy. It's all smoke and mirrors, same tiny pseudo-guerrilla fighter with many masks.
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#10 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:08 PM
HateroPardo Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 846	RE: The "Dominicans Aren't Indios" BS (to: Brasil, Ramon, etc.) Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Maybe I'm the fool for showing patience.. yes you are. facts and arguments are not the way with the child. question and probe his weak psyche. That is why he is here, he needs our help, violent if need be, to come to grips with his problems with blackness. he can't stand blackness in his family, his neighborhood, his siblings ... perhaps even himself. dummy how many parts white are you? be exact please. Edited on 6/24/2009 1:09 PM by HateroPardo.
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