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#11 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:08 PM
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Caucasian means from the Caucasus mountains, Ethiopians are not caucasian.


No Caucasian is a loose "racial" classification. Come on Ramon, don't go back on your racialist views now! The Etymology of the word however is derived from said mountains.
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#12 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:09 PM
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Maybe I'm the fool for showing patience..


Yes you are. fac ts and arguments are not the way with the child. Question and probe his weak psyche. That is why he is hre, he needs our help, violent if need be, to come to grips with his problems with blackness. He can't stand blackness in his family, his neighborhood, his siblings ... perhaps even himself.


And thus projects his insecurities onto another. Classic psyche 101.
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#13 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:10 PM
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That is why he is here, he needs our help, violent if need be


When the pen fails, may the sword fall swiftly.
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#14 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:12 PM
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hey use your own sword cause ive won many battles with the one i got. lol
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#15 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:12 PM
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Okay, rarely do I post here but I just wanted to make my opinion heard once and for all.

I have seen various posters in this forum - right off the top of my head, Brasil and Ramon (AfroLatino?) - who keep repeating the same BS over and over. They argue that Dominicans claim to be "indian" or "indio/a" in order to deny having African ancestry.



I am going to attempt to explain what Dominicans in this board have been trying to explain to you guys all along... (WITHOUT ANY EVIDENTIARY SUPPORT)

When Dominicans use the term "indio/a", they use it as means of describing a specific skin color and tone; nothing more and nothing less.They aren't actually saying that they themselves are Native, Indigenous or Amerindian. (WHY USE A INDIAN TERM TO DISCRIBE A SKIN TONE OF OFF-SPRINGS OF AFRICAN SLAVES?)

But in reality, the term (indio/a) is only used to describe a person's complexion. (YEAH RIGHT)

I wonder if any of you guys who keep making these negative assumptions about the usage of the word "indio/a" amongst Dominicans ever travel? (YES)

Brasil, under your profile pic, you have "international" for location. I'm assuming you must get out frequently. If this is true, then you must know that Dominicans are not the only ones who share this similar method of describing skin color, tones and complexions.This is very much a cross-cultural and even a GLOBAL commonality. We're you to be as traveled and well-versed as you implicate to be, then you would know this. (TRUE, THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE DENYING THEIR AFRICAN ANCESTRY AS WELL, FOR THE REASONS STATED BELOW)

So why have you chosen to ignore that this same method of describing and referring to peoples' skin color also exists within the African-American community? (BECAUSE THIS IS A DOMINICAN DISCUSSION, and YES THAT'S TRUE, BUT NOT TO DENY THEIR AFRICAN SLAVE ANCESTRY AS EXPALINED BELOW)

Have you ever been to the South? (United States). Ever been to Atlanta? New Orleans? (YES, I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE U.S.) African-Americans in these areas refer to each other as "red", "yellow", etc. (TRUE, "slang words" as EXPLAINED BELOW)

Are you going to tell me now, that African-Americans are denying their African ancestry too? (NO, EXPALINED BELOW)

Are you going to tell me, that when African-Americans refer to one another as "red", that means they believe they are "Indian" too?

( No, when referring to each other as red meaning "red bone" or yellow "yellow bone" is merely a "black slang "to refer to a light-skinned AFRO-AMERICAN. They use these terms together in acknowledging that they are "black" or like Dominicans descendants of African Slaves.)

Are you going to tell me, that when African-Americans refer to one another as "yellow", that means they believe they are Asian? (NO, WHY DID'NT YOU ASK THEM TO EXPLAIN THIS "slang", like I did 20 yrs. ago)

Of course not! It's simply a way of describing a person's complexion in THAT particular part of the world and within THAT community, the same way trigueno, moreno, jabao, blanco, negro, indio, claro and many more terms are used in the Dominican Republic. And as I said, travel to other parts of the world and you will see this same phenomenon, so don't make it seem as if it's only Dominicans or even Latinos that do this. (ANSWERED ABOVE AND BELOW, "or even latinos? )

("Indio" It is not a way to describe a person's complexion, but a way Dominicans and others use to explain away there skin color and their African ancestry) When Americans use slang words to describe another's skin tone, that person never denies their African ancestry. Dominicans go one step further, by lying saying they are "indio" and European, no mention of African roots. All Debuked lies and debuked with OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE.

Dominicans DENY their AFRICAN roots because of the history of racism and descrimination in the United States against Afro-Americans and against Haitians. People of which they share the same European and African hisory with.

This is particularily disburbing because as I demonstrated, Domincans are not only descendants of African slaves, but are the original descendants of African slaves, since they were the first Slaves brought by the Christopher Colombus and the SPANISH Conquistadors. Furthermore I submitted evidence from another Dominican website (www.dr1.com) that revealed that in 1824, thousands of freed African slaves from the United States migrated to Samana, Dominican Republic, and that today 80% of the population in Samana is of African-American descent. This is not merely overwhemling evidence of Dominicans truth ancestry, it is absoluely CRUSHING evdience.

I rested my case on this evdience and say again. Dominicans and their skin tone IS NOT "indio" deriving from Tiano Indians, but is "Black" "Brown" "Negro" "yellow bone" "red bone" "chocolate" "blue black" "moreno" or deriving from AFRICAN SLAVES and European conquistadors.

By saying they are "Indio" they attempt to RACIALLY distance themselves from Afro-Americans in the U.S. and (Haitians in the D.R.) and the sterotypes, generalizations or assumptions that is often associated with the African American community and Haitians in the D.R.

The same sterotypes, generalizations or assumptions and prejudice reflected in your final comments about Afro-American problems (and those which you level against Haitians) All of which I MIGHT ADD is EXACTLY the same comments people make about young Dominican men and women in both the D.R. Puerto Rico and the U.S.

AGAIN THE PROSECUTION RESTS! UNLESS THERE ARE ANY REBUTTALS.





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#16 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:18 PM
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First off, I have personally never seen a Dominican in this forum claim they are "indian" -



this is all and the bottom line. Brasil where is your rebuttal to this?

Brasil ow are you fighting against the colorism phenomenon by coming here and making accusations about people you don't know?

who's agenda are you really enforcing, that of the Europeans?
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#17 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:23 PM
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First off, I have personally never seen a Dominican in this forum claim they are "indian" -



this is all and the bottom line. Brasil where is your rebuttal to this?

Brasil ow are you fighting against the colorism phenomenon by coming here and making accusations about people you don't know?

who's agenda are you really enforcing, that of the Europeans?

hatero brasil is gonna be on vacation for a couple of weeks suposendly so we are free of this nuisance for a while and thats okay cause for the time being he can nurse his wounds from the slaying i administered to him. come back and get whipped some more. you know they all come back for more pau pau
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#18 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:25 PM
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First off, I have personally never seen a Dominican in this forum claim they are "indian" -



this is all and the bottom line. Brasil where is your rebuttal to this?

Brasil ow are you fighting against the colorism phenomenon by coming here and making accusations about people you don't know?

who's agenda are you really enforcing, that of the Europeans?


Remember, the populations of either DR or Haiti were extremely low in 1824. For most of history under 1 million! In addition, in those times the only areas with significant populations in the DR was the vega real triangle (Santiago-San Francisco-La Vega area), and that area has historically been the most european in composition from any other area of the entire island.

As if that was not enough, the east was virtually empty, since San Pedro and La Romana only came into existence as full fledge towns in the early 1900s due to American investment in Sugar estates and the south has never had a significant population, despite being a signifcant part of the country geographically speaking.

Millions of Spanish speaking and English speaking slaves worked in these American invested Sugar estates. Dominicans are not "ndio", but African and European. Just like Afro-Americans in the United States. Be proud of your platano heritage. Now get out there in the construction and agrucultural industries along side your Haitian brothers and contibute to the Dominican economy.
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#19 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:26 PM
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Maybe I'm the fool for showing patience..


yes you are. facts and arguments are not the way with the child. question and probe his weak psyche. That is why he is here, he needs our help, violent if need be, to come to grips with his problems with blackness. he can't stand blackness in his family, his neighborhood, his siblings ... perhaps even himself.

dummy how many parts white are you? be exact please.

50%-ish


Not exact enough. no indi-o-meter to match your black-o-meter?

how white was your mother? your father?
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#20 - Posted 24 June 2009, 1:28 PM
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First off, I have personally never seen a Dominican in this forum claim they are "indian" -



this is all and the bottom line. Brasil where is your rebuttal to this?

Brasil ow are you fighting against the colorism phenomenon by coming here and making accusations about people you don't know?

who's agenda are you really enforcing, that of the Europeans?


Remember, the populations of either DR or Haiti were extremely low in 1824. For most of history under 1 million! In addition, in those times the only areas with significant populations in the DR was the vega real triangle (Santiago-San Francisco-La Vega area), and that area has historically been the most european in composition from any other area of the entire island.

As if that was not enough, the east was virtually empty, since San Pedro and La Romana only came into existence as full fledge towns in the early 1900s due to American investment in Sugar estates and the south has never had a significant population, despite being a signifcant part of the country geographically speaking.

Millions of Spanish speaking and English speaking slaves worked in these American invested Sugar estates. Dominicans are not "ndio", but African and European. Just like Afro-Americans in the United States. Be proud of your platano heritage. Now get out there in the construction and agrucultural industries along side your Haitian brothers and contibute to the Dominican economy.



brasil, what does this have to do with my questions? who on this board are you challenging for claiming to be Indian? how are you helping brown and black people by yelling into the internet at people who don't claim this? why is it so important to you to uphold the identity lines of Europe for them?
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