| #51 - Posted 4 July 2009, 7:58 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 846 | RE: Dominican-Americans..or...American-Dominicans Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: What does it mean to be Dominican to all of you who have lived many years, or perhaps your entire lives, here in the United States? It means a big, loyal family that extends across borders to me. It means people who have surrounded me my whole life, who I share a lot of culture and experiences with, and who share the condition of living our lives between this small island-city and that huge, beautiful and unforgettable island. Unfortunately for most of us making a living means the vast vast majority of time is spent stateside, but the traffic back and forth and the stickyness of our ways and traditions makes me feel the effect of being Dominican daily despite being born American. |
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| #52 - Posted 4 July 2009, 8:29 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5613 | RE: Dominican-Americans..or...American-Dominicans Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: troy310879 previously said: Heres a good article about racism in the DR: http://www.nathanielturner.com/kiiniiburasalaam2.htm And no she isn't an afro centrist who thinks all Dominicans are black, she is simply talking about the racism she experienced there. http://thestudyofracialism.org/about402.html&highlight=kiiniibura+salaam I keep being surprised that people reference that forum on here. Do you post? It single handily opened a lot of knowledge up for me concerning racialism, genetics, and myths. No, I don't. Like your case, that site opened my eyes to many things about racial matters in the US and the rest of the world. The funny thing about it all is that people in the US defend and live up by the ODR without knowing its name or its origins, they just accept it as another "truth" of life. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #53 - Posted 4 July 2009, 8:49 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: Dominican-Americans..or...American-Dominicans Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: troy310879 previously said: Heres a good article about racism in the DR: http://www.nathanielturner.com/kiiniiburasalaam2.htm And no she isn't an afro centrist who thinks all Dominicans are black, she is simply talking about the racism she experienced there. http://thestudyofracialism.org/about402.html&highlight=kiiniibura+salaam I keep being surprised that people reference that forum on here. Do you post? It single handily opened a lot of knowledge up for me concerning racialism, genetics, and myths. No, I don't. Like your case, that site opened my eyes to many things about racial matters in the US and the rest of the world. The funny thing about it all is that people in the US defend and live up by the ODR without knowing its name or its origins, they just accept it as another "truth" of life. Than much like my case you lurk around. The thing I respect the most is the non-political viewpoints that rely purely on science where there's none of this American conservative or American liberal bias crap. I think I've seen the most honest portrayal of Dominican society and ethos there than a lot of other spaces. |
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| #54 - Posted 4 July 2009, 10:31 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism Join date: May 2008 Member #: 731 Posts: 2057 | RE: Dominican-Americans..or...American-Dominicans Quote: troy310879 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: troy310879 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: troy310879 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: troy310879 previously said: Heres a good article about racism in the DR: http://www.nathanielturner.com/kiiniiburasalaam2.htm And no she isn't an afro centrist who thinks all Dominicans are black, she is simply talking about the racism she experienced there. But she's a one dropper that believes that the DR should define itself by this idiotic rule, which is enough for me to hold her in the deepest of contempts. Where does she mention that all Dominicans are black? She even mentioned white dominicans in there.... No, but she implies her shock about one family using different names to define their differing skin tones, which for one dropper is an idiotic thing, cuz' for them, the families that do so should name themselves black and be done with it. She'll never understand that the color gradations of the DR are only descriptive terms and don not imply the belonging to a social class, as it is the case in the US. How can you be siblings and be considered a different race from eachother? Because "race" as it's seen here on the DR is just a physical descriptor and not a social class like it is in the US, where, if you're black, you're expected to behave according to some parameters and not to trespass them. Which is why the poorest are black, the middle class are mixed and the upper class is white/quadroon? Have you ever seen a white dominican working in the fields and living in a hut? Yes.. I have seen white Dominican living in huts..... deep in the none tourist section of DR.. they are the whitest Dominicans I know.. |
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| #55 - Posted 5 July 2009, 12:38 AM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: January 2008 Member #: 283 Posts: 500 | RE: Dominican-Americans..or...American-Dominicans . Edited on 7/6/2009 2:36 AM by kmnupe. |
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| #56 - Posted 5 July 2009, 10:32 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: Dominican-Americans..or...American-Dominicans Quote: kmnupe previously said: ...To stay with the THREAD. As an outsider, the only thing that I'm concerned about is the plague that affects all Caribbean youth emigres. The "hood mentality". Too many "gangsta" Americans of Dominican descent. I know the Dominican people back home abhor that culture. Also, I've met too many young folks who fail to learn about the history of the country...their countries. Other than that, I see the acceptance of the Diaspora by Dominicans in the homeland. Heck, I feel very welcomed there! That is troubling indeed. And while there's always been a sense of "doing dirt" to stay afloat in urban Dominican youth, lately they've been adopting much more of the Afro-American hood mentality which I view as much more harmful for several reasons (no, not because they're black). Between that, and the rap and reggaeton and most of these fools being deported back, I see a huge problem. That in itself lends another problem, the creme de la creme flees the island and the scum flood back. I have cousins who lived in R.D. longer than me and from an earlier time and know way less about our history, but I am a product of superior foreign educational systems. Edited on 7/5/2009 10:32 AM by ElTorodeCibao. |
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| #57 - Posted 5 July 2009, 6:46 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 783 Posts: 1257 | RE: Dominican-Americans..or...American-Dominicans Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: kmnupe previously said: ...To stay with the THREAD. As an outsider, the only thing that I'm concerned about is the plague that affects all Caribbean youth emigres. The "hood mentality". Too many "gangsta" Americans of Dominican descent. I know the Dominican people back home abhor that culture. Also, I've met too many young folks who fail to learn about the history of the country...their countries. Other than that, I see the acceptance of the Diaspora by Dominicans in the homeland. Heck, I feel very welcomed there! That is troubling indeed. And while there's always been a sense of "doing dirt" to stay afloat in urban Dominican youth, lately they've been adopting much more of the Afro-American hood mentality which I view as much more harmful for several reasons (no, not because they're black). Between that, and the rap and reggaeton and most of these fools being deported back, I see a huge problem. That in itself lends another problem, the creme de la creme flees the island and the scum flood back. I have cousins who lived in R.D. longer than me and from an earlier time and know way less about our history, but I am a product of superior foreign educational systems. Would you then say that its more of social manifestation of cultural fusions deriving from those artistic cultural/ethnic idioms which are hyped by the media and so called artist? Dominicans are not the only ethnic group emulating African Americans. This has been seen in all large cities and across many cultures. Why wont Dminincan Republic prosper? Because Dominicans are just plain to Stupid |
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| #58 - Posted 5 July 2009, 8:53 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2977 Posts: 2597 | RE: Dominican-Americans..or...American-Dominicans Quote: ladronaso previously said: Quote: ElTorodeCibao previously said: Quote: kmnupe previously said: ...To stay with the THREAD. As an outsider, the only thing that I'm concerned about is the plague that affects all Caribbean youth emigres. The "hood mentality". Too many "gangsta" Americans of Dominican descent. I know the Dominican people back home abhor that culture. Also, I've met too many young folks who fail to learn about the history of the country...their countries. Other than that, I see the acceptance of the Diaspora by Dominicans in the homeland. Heck, I feel very welcomed there! That is troubling indeed. And while there's always been a sense of "doing dirt" to stay afloat in urban Dominican youth, lately they've been adopting much more of the Afro-American hood mentality which I view as much more harmful for several reasons (no, not because they're black). Between that, and the rap and reggaeton and most of these fools being deported back, I see a huge problem. That in itself lends another problem, the creme de la creme flees the island and the scum flood back. I have cousins who lived in R.D. longer than me and from an earlier time and know way less about our history, but I am a product of superior foreign educational systems. Would you then say that its more of social manifestation of cultural fusions deriving from those artistic cultural/ethnic idioms which are hyped by the media and so called artist? Dominicans are not the only ethnic group emulating African Americans. This has been seen in all large cities and across many cultures. I'd say like anything it's a variety of things and that may be one of them. Also close proximity to living with them. On top of that being seen as non-white and acting accordingly to other non whites especially if you're anything more than 1st generation Dominican-American in which many cultural ties are lost. Either way I find it really hard to watch. We have such a rich culture and it's washed away by this gang banging garbage. In my family if someone acts emulating that nonsense they are swiftly corrected. |
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| #59 - Posted 5 July 2009, 8:53 PM | |
Location: United States, New York Join date: October 2008 Member #: 1508 Posts: 382 | RE: Dominican-Americans..or...American-Dominicans I think it depends on the experience from the other country. If you seem very attached to your roots (Spanish is fine, you've kept contact with some people, etc.) then people in DR will not under any circumstance consider you a foreigner and you're just another one among the bunch. On the other hand, there are a lot of Dominicans born and/or raised in the U.S. that are much more attached to their American upbringing, which will eventually be noticeable so they are treated like foreigners. I've never felt people in DR actually "look down" on Dominican-Americans (which by the way is not even a term we even use amongst ourselves), at least not the way I've heard Puertoricans from the island look down on the so-called Nuyoricans. |
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| #60 - Posted 5 July 2009, 8:58 PM | |
Location: United States, New York Join date: October 2008 Member #: 1508 Posts: 382 | RE: Dominican-Americans..or...American-Dominicans Education is also a factor, there is a small breed the more highly educated ones fall into, that have adapted and assimilated into both cultures and can move with ease among both Dominicans and Americans. These usually have the best of both worlds and have the luxury of not having to hyphenate themselves because they can be either Dominicans or Americans. |
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