What makes the Dominican Republic such a beautiful place?

The beautiful and productive valley of el Cibao. Do not forget the beautiful women. Together with the beautiful Caribbean weather. The beautiful cooling rain you get occasionally in the afternoons even when the sun is shining. The beautiful panorama of the valley with the mountains at the backend. Breathtaking.

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What makes the Dominican Republic such a beautiful place?
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NY4LIFE, as much as most Haitians on here may think that me as being part Haitian that I somehow am Anti-Haitian. There could not have been a notion any more wrong on their part. (Do not take this post out of context and please keep it as of it being simply and only and observation based on Human Rights analysis and activism on my part to see a cohesive, coexisting in relations HAITI and DR.)


Because I hope you will see and understand this, just as much as I tend to bash Haitians or be hard on them in my effort trying to get them to become self-empowering and sufficient; I often bash DR as well for their stance and lack of pro-activeness when not addressing those issues to try to start engaging into more effort for reconciliation with Haiti. One thing I have been highly upset over is the fact that DR tries and make every effort to take and claiming credit for all the beauty the entire Hispaniola Island possesses in terms of Ancestral and Cultural names and aspect of the Island. For example, I see many restaurants in DR call their restaurants "CRIOLAS COMIDAS" Which means "CREOLE FOOD" right... however in DR when you go inside those restaurants there is not a single person in them who actually speak creole, nor do they have Haitian or people who are considered to be creole working in them. When I first saw those restaurant, per assumption I thought I was going to walked into a Haitian or at least a Dominican of Haitian descent managed restaurant, only to actually go in and find out they were not. That to me is a contradictory double standard on most Dominicans and DR's part.

Second, if the majority of Dominicans are Anti-Haitian in views; the name Hayti or Ayiti, Quisqueya or Bohio were the names of the entire Island given by the natives before it was ever Hispaniola/HispanolaHispanola and those names do not belong to only DR or Haiti alone. They belong to the entire Island... yet I see all Dominicans like to call themselves Quisqueyanos/Quisqueyanas more or all the time, when Haitians have been using it for years as well. As Haitians have industries and staple of foods in that name such as flour, milk, corn milk and cassava and so forth long before DR whatnot... (Not to say we who both live on the Island have more or less right to use or not use those names regardless it being DR or Haiti, but...)

Anyway, the reason why I come up with that subject is to find a way to address it as civil and amicable as possible to once again relate the relations in commonality both Nations have more than they could imagine.

[B]Lastly on something that is a bit off subject and topic real quick:[/B] I have taken into realization that most Dominican people and politicians seem to be or are in fact against even a path to legalization for Haitians who have entered DR legally to ever even become Dominican Citizens. Leave alone those long generations of kids who are born on Dominican soil of Haitian ancestry as the rhetoric is from most Dominican people and politicians state that it is because the constitution do not allow it and both Dominican people and politicians claim they do not want any modification or change in or of that constitutional law that could be in favor of that possibility. Okay, granted.

However, I feel that along side the already xenophobic, racial and resented motives that most of those both Dominican people and politicians have why they would not want to allow such a possibility for those Haitians; understand also you can clearly see there is this great hypocrisy that contradict that belief if truly that was such the case of having this all being a Constitution matter that they do not want to ever change to allow a path to legalization for those Haitians who are so considered to be in Transition and many keep asking a transition to what really... Answer me this and if I might ask: Why is that in DR, the constitution once did not allow any presidents to go or run a simultaneous or second consecutive presidential term in or for office and now they can... Was that not, is it not and was there not a constitutional change to allow such a Now-process and possibility? So you see, any laws that people tend to be hard on and not wanting to change is usually a firm conscious self convicted decision based on their won determinations and personal vindictiveness and lack of tolerance given what their discriminative state of mind and belief may already be set upon.

Indeed it was a constitutional law change when Leonel Fernandez not so long ago in 2000 was not able to run for office or take part in the election which was won by Hipolito Mejia. Thus with that or under the same premise of that constitutional change can it always be a possibility for a path to legalization and only then such a Transition status will positively be viewed as something that is not racist and unjust toward Haitians in DR and Haiti who happens to share this [B]Quisqueya, Bohio[/b] Island with DR and also because those legal Haitians and Dominican Republic-born Haitians actually do contribute to the economy and way of life of DR no matter how much most Dominicans may deny .

Let us remember and not forget that DR has gain such economical momentum not long ago which in fact truly really began in the year of 2004. DR's economy is a fresh economy and still is at its premature stage and phases which I would understand why they do not want to jeopardize this economy with actually allowing a path to citizenry to Haitians, but I would only accept that as a firm basic reason only if DR was not granting other white foreigners with money and who owns businesses in DR citizenship. The fact that this preventive policy is only with Haitian proves that it is solemnly based on past resentment, anomacities as well as on racial and discriminative premises on DR's part against the Haitians.

Amid all that I have just say, yes indeed I must agree that all the reasons given by this other member above were great reasons why Hispaniola the Island is as beautiful as it is or what makes her so phenomenally atractive.

YOUR THOUGHT.

The smell of the air!

"The smell of the air!"

Hmm. That;s a good one.

The hospitality. Whether it be in a thatched hut with dirt floors or a two level house in the Cerros Dominicans have a way of making you feel at home when you're at their home.

I agree. Dominicans make you feel very comfortable.

Hispanolo,

THere is two sides to every story. In DR society, a lot of discrimination occurs for race, gender, sex, disabled, etc just like any other third world or developing country. THe same case can be made for Haiti, as it's society is competely segregated by the classes to more extreme case than in DR.

The same anomocites, discriminations, you state are held for Haitians are also feelings expressed by Haitians for Dominicans. I mean its a two street. Both sides need to move on and get over the past and deal with the present.

What does Haiti's constitution say about foreign born children?

I agree and fair enough you are right my friend. It is funny that the Haitian Constitution say no matter on which soil one is born, they will consider to be Haitian unless, until and after affirmatively having reject your Double Nationality. A total contradiction of their reluctancy to allow Double Nationality proponents or people to participate or hold high office in Haiti. I am literally laughing right now lol. Nope even better, I am LMAO.

However, I wanted to know or see if you have gotten the point I was trying to make or prove to you earlier. One thing I have given you a lot of credit on or for was how you started a thread on a Haitian subject. You perhaps did not have to, but you did and that shows character which should be applauded. Most Dominicans would not have chosen to go that route, but you did and that makes a whole world of difference into believing that if you could, perhaps another one Dominican citizen might too and which I am sure not all Dominicans are racist or hold as strong an Anti-Haitiasmo, trujilloism views or beliefs and their xenophobe may often be an abstract of actual political social pundits that allows them to feel the way they do in harboring those past racial resentments and all.

Anyway, I am actually in DR right now. I wsh!tas in Costombar (Puerto Plata) for a while, now I am in Campo where most of my mother's family live. She voted and it looks like it is a wrap that Leonel will win. I am not sure if you favor him or not. I sure do not. I kind of was hoping someone else would win so we could see what someone else has to offer, you k now... Oh by the way, there was no work, school on Thursday because of the election and things are looking livelier than ever in DR They actually did not cut the power off.

I hear rumors there were some killing taken place, but nothing out of the ordinary for DR during election time. In fact, sh!t actually went smoother than usual, kid. It was rather somewhat peaceful, honestly. I was in shock and I say BIG UPS for DR on that!!! What a dilemma. I am in love with two great beautiful phenomenal "Bitches" I could not love anything more than Hispaniola given all the social differences there that exists between both Nations. I love both Country till the very day I die.

Es porque todavia y siempre Hispanolano Yo Soy, entonces de verdad ya mestoy HISPANOLANO aunque los problemas entre ambos pais. Everytime I try to leave, the mangu keeps pulling me back in lol!!! Just got back from the club, I am buzzed on Brahma and Quilmes, and I think I might have had too much Barcelo run con coke; my mother is talking mad shit because she did not want me to go out last night because of the election and mucho tigres in the streets. I am too god for this thread right about now lol kid. That's what's up, B!!!

Peazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzle NY4LIFE,

Hispanolo

Quisqueyanos valientes alcemos
nuestro canto con viva emoción
Y del mundo a la faz ostentemos
Nuestro invicto glorioso pendón
Salve el pueblo que intrepido y fuerte
A la guerra a morir se lanzó
Cuando en belico reto de muerte
Sus cadenas de esclavo rompio.
Ningun pueblo ser libre merece
Si es esclavo, indolente y servil,
Si en su pecho la llama no crece
Que templo el heroismo viril.
Mas Quisqueya dla indomita y brava
Siempre altiva la frente alzará,
Que si fuere mil veces esclava
Otras tantas ser libre sabra.
Pou Ayiti peyi Zansèt yo
Se pou-n mache men nan lamen.
Nan mitan-n pa fèt pou gen trèt
Nou fèt pou-n sèl mèt tèt nou.
Annou mache men nan lamen
Pou Ayiti ka vin pi bèl.
Annou, annou, met tèt ansanm
Pou Ayiti onon tout Zansèt yo.
Pou Ayiti onon Zansèt yo
Se pou-n sekle se pou-n plante.
Se nan tè tout fòs nou chita
Se li-k ba nou manje.
Ann bite tè, ann voye wou
Ak kè kontan, fòk tè a bay.
Sekle, wouze, fanm kou gason
Pou-n rive viv ak sèl fòs ponyèt nou.
Pou Ayiti ak pou Zansèt yo
Fo nou kapab vanyan gason.
Moun pa fèt pou ret avèk moun
Se sa-k fè tout Manman ak tout Papa
Dwe pou voye Timoun lekòl.
Pou yo aprann, pou yo konnen
Sa Tousen, Desalin, Kristòf, Petyon
Te fè pou wet Ayisyen anba bòt blan.
Pou Ayiti onon Zansèt yo
Ann leve tèt nou gad anlè.
Pou tout moun, mande Granmèt la
Pou-l ba nou pwoteksyon.
Pou move zanj pa detounen-n
Pou-n ka mache nan bon chimen.
Pou libète ka libète
Fòk lajistis blayi sou peyi a.
Nou gon drapo tankou tout Pèp.
Se pou-n renmen-l, mouri pou li.
Se pa kado, blan te fè nou
Se san Zansèt nou yo ki te koule.
Pou nou kenbe drapo nou wo
Se pou-n travay met tèt ansanm.
Pou lòt peyi ka respekte-l
Drapo sila a se nanm tout Ayisyen.

What makes our country the most beautiful is our people... I have visited other caribbean islands and they have beautiful beaches, hotels, mountains, but we have the nicest people on earth... our hospitality is well known among tourists... Next to my parents house there is a couple from filipinas and they say that... "Dominicanos siempre riendo"