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07-06-2009 17:20
Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo?

By Gwynne Dyer

Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has declared that any attack on his country's embassy in Honduras will lead to war between the two nations, and I can't help wishing that the Hondurans would call his bluff. The Venezeluan blowhard is getting tiresome.

In the first of the ``Dirty Harry'' movies, 30 years ago, Clint Eastwood achieved immortality with a single line. Pointing a very large pistol at an evil-doer (as George W. Bush might have put it), he addresses the miscreant, who is thinking about reaching for his own gun, as follows: ``You've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?''

Hugo Chavez is more a well-meaning idiot than an evildoer, but the question is the same: will he really go for his gun? The answer is no. He's not a complete idiot, and his threats to attack other Latin American countries whose behavior offends him (the most recent was Colombia, last year) always fade away after a while.

What provoked Chavez's threat was the removal of the president of Honduras, Manuel Zelaya, who had become Chavez's close ally. Zelaya was arrested by the Honduran military, bundled into a plane and flown to Costa Rica on June 28.

Elected to a single term as president in 2006, Zelaya astonished friend and foe alike by turning out to be not the center-right, business-friendly politician he had seemed.

Instead, he began moving steadily to the left in his domestic policies, and linked Honduras diplomatically with the other socialist governments in Latin America.

There is no doubt that he caused deep annoyance to the conservative elite who have traditionally dominated Honduran affairs, but they made no move to overthrow him. Why bother? The constitution limits Honduran presidents to one four-year term in office, and Zelaya's term comes to an end next January.

No other leftist candidate was likely to win the presidential election that is due in November: recent opinion polls suggested that Zelaya's support nationally is down to around 30 percent.

Even Zelaya's own party was unlikely to nominate another leftist as his successor, and many of its members no longer supported him. So all the major political forces were content to wait for the clock to run out on him ? until he started trying to change the constitution.

Zelaya's bright idea was to end the one-term limit so he could run for president again himself. It's exactly the same tactic that Chavez has used in Venezuela to prolong his rule indefinitely (he now talks about being in power until 2030), and Zelaya believed, rightly or wrongly, that he could make it work for him in Honduras. So he set about organizing a referendum on the subject. It was scheduled for the last Sunday of June.

Alas, the president of Honduras does not have the right to organize a referendum all by himself, and the country's Supreme Court ordered him to stop. Congress also condemned the maneuver, but Zelaya plowed ahead regardless.

When the army, obedient to the Supreme Court's orders, refused to help Zelaya run the referendum, he fired the army's commanding general and got his own party activists to distribute the ballot boxes.

At that point, Congress voted to remove Zelaya because of his ``repeated violations of the constitution and the law and disregard of orders and judgments of the institutions,'' and the Supreme Court ordered the army to intervene and arrest the president.

It was a mistake to put him on a plane bound for Costa Rica, as that made it look like a traditional Central American coup, but, apart from that, everything was done within the law.

The speaker of the Congress, Roberto Micheletti, who has taken over until the November elections, insists that he has become interim president ``as the result of an absolutely legal transition process.''

Chavez and his Bolivian, Ecuadorian, Nicaraguan and Cuban allies claim it's a military coup, and insist that the United States is behind it.

Washington, which wasn't paying much attention until June 28, has been bounced into backing Zelaya too, as has the Organization of American States, whose secretary-general, Jose Miguel Insulza, has promised to accompany Zelaya in a grand return to Honduras.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has condemned the events in Honduras as a coup, and for all we know she might accompany Zelaya too.

If Chavez decided to go along too, they would have enough people for a game of celebrity bridge, but all this posturing won't change anything.

It might be different if the next Honduran election were years away and there were time for diplomatic and economic pressures to wear the legitimate Honduran authorities down, but it's only five months until Nov. 29.

So long as that election is conducted properly, other countries will have no grounds to reject its outcome ? and Zelaya is constitutionally barred from running again.

Unless Chavez actually attacks Honduras, that is, but it is a long way from Venezuela and Chavez's forces are not really equipped or trained for amphibious assaults or long-range air-drops. You can almost hear the Honduran soldiers muttering, ``Go ahead, make my day.''

yeah chavez makes me sicker an sicker with his lack of minding his own buisness. one of my friends who happens to be honduran mentioned to me that she is convinced chavez is just blowing air. i fully agree.

#5 - Posted 6 July 2009, 9:42 AM
cabaretewilliam Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 2555	RE: Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo? Well, do ya, punk?'' Quote: FredCDobbs previously said: 07-06-2009 17:20 Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo? By Gwynne Dyer Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has declared that any attack on his country's embassy in Honduras will lead to war between the two nations, and I can't help wishing that the Hondurans would call his bluff. The Venezeluan blowhard is getting tiresome. In the first of the ``Dirty Harry'' movies, 30 years ago, Clint Eastwood achieved immortality with a single line. Pointing a very large pistol at an evil-doer (as George W. Bush might have put it), he addresses the miscreant, who is thinking about reaching for his own gun, as follows: ``You've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?'' Hugo Chavez is more a well-meaning idiot than an evildoer, but the question is the same: will he really go for his gun? The answer is no. He's not a complete idiot, and his threats to attack other Latin American countries whose behavior offends him (the most recent was Colombia, last year) always fade away after a while. What provoked Chavez's threat was the removal of the president of Honduras, Manuel Zelaya, who had become Chavez's close ally. Zelaya was arrested by the Honduran military, bundled into a plane and flown to Costa Rica on June 28. Elected to a single term as president in 2006, Zelaya astonished friend and foe alike by turning out to be not the center-right, business-friendly politician he had seemed. Instead, he began moving steadily to the left in his domestic policies, and linked Honduras diplomatically with the other socialist governments in Latin America. There is no doubt that he caused deep annoyance to the conservative elite who have traditionally dominated Honduran affairs, but they made no move to overthrow him. Why bother? The constitution limits Honduran presidents to one four-year term in office, and Zelaya's term comes to an end next January. No other leftist candidate was likely to win the presidential election that is due in November: recent opinion polls suggested that Zelaya's support nationally is down to around 30 percent. Even Zelaya's own party was unlikely to nominate another leftist as his successor, and many of its members no longer supported him. So all the major political forces were content to wait for the clock to run out on him ? until he started trying to change the constitution. Zelaya's bright idea was to end the one-term limit so he could run for president again himself. It's exactly the same tactic that Chavez has used in Venezuela to prolong his rule indefinitely (he now talks about being in power until 2030), and Zelaya believed, rightly or wrongly, that he could make it work for him in Honduras. So he set about organizing a referendum on the subject. It was scheduled for the last Sunday of June. Alas, the president of Honduras does not have the right to organize a referendum all by himself, and the country's Supreme Court ordered him to stop. Congress also condemned the maneuver, but Zelaya plowed ahead regardless. When the army, obedient to the Supreme Court's orders, refused to help Zelaya run the referendum, he fired the army's commanding general and got his own party activists to distribute the ballot boxes. At that point, Congress voted to remove Zelaya because of his ``repeated violations of the constitution and the law and disregard of orders and judgments of the institutions,'' and the Supreme Court ordered the army to intervene and arrest the president. It was a mistake to put him on a plane bound for Costa Rica, as that made it look like a traditional Central American coup, but, apart from that, everything was done within the law. The speaker of the Congress, Roberto Micheletti, who has taken over until the November elections, insists that he has become interim president ``as the result of an absolutely legal transition process.'' Chavez and his Bolivian, Ecuadorian, Nicaraguan and Cuban allies claim it's a military coup, and insist that the United States is behind it. Washington, which wasn't paying much attention until June 28, has been bounced into backing Zelaya too, as has the Organization of American States, whose secretary-general, Jose Miguel Insulza, has promised to accompany Zelaya in a grand return to Honduras. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has condemned the events in Honduras as a coup, and for all we know she might accompany Zelaya too. If Chavez decided to go along too, they would have enough people for a game of celebrity bridge, but all this posturing won't change anything. It might be different if the next Honduran election were years away and there were time for diplomatic and economic pressures to wear the legitimate Honduran authorities down, but it's only five months until Nov. 29. So long as that election is conducted properly, other countries will have no grounds to reject its outcome ? and Zelaya is constitutionally barred from running again. Unless Chavez actually attacks Honduras, that is, but it is a long way from Venezuela and Chavez's forces are not really equipped or trained for amphibious assaults or long-range air-drops. You can almost hear the Honduran soldiers muttering, ``Go ahead, make my day.'' Another great Canadian - I used to read his columns 25 years ago - GWYNNE DYER has worked as a freelance journalist, columnist, broadcaster and lecturer on international affairs for more than 20 years, but he was originally trained as an historian. Born in Newfoundland, he received degrees from Canadian, American and British universities, finishing with a Ph.D. in Military and Middle Eastern History from the University of London. He served in three navies and held academic appointments at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and Oxford University before launching his twice-weekly column on international affairs, which is published by over 175 papers in some 45 countries. His first television series, the 7-part documentary 'War', was aired in 45 countries in the mid-80s. One episode, 'The Profession of Arms', was nominated for an Academy Award. His more recent television work includes the 1994 series 'The Human Race', and 'Protection Force', a three-part series on peacekeepers in Bosnia, both of which won Gemini awards. His award-winning radio documentaries include 'The Gorbachev Revolution', a seven-part series based on Dyer's experiences in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union in 1987-90, and 'Millenium', a six-hour series on the emerging global culture. Dyer's major study "War", first published in the 1980s, was completely revised and re-published in 2004. During this decade he has also written a trio of more contemporary books dealing with the politics and strategy of the post-9/11 world: 'Ignorant Armies' (2003), 'Future: Tense' (2004), and 'The Mess They Made' (2006). The latter was also published as 'After Iraq' in the US and the UK and as 'Nach Iraq und Afghanistan' inGermany. His most recent projects are a book and a radio series called 'Climate Wars', dealing with the geopolitics of climate change. They have already been published and aired in some places, and will appear in most other major markets in the course of 2009. William Visit: www.caribbeanrealty.ca www.casablancacabarete.com
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#1 - Posted 6 July 2009, 7:21 AM
FredCDobbs Location: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2573 Posts: 3334	Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo? Well, do ya, punk?'' 07-06-2009 17:20 Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo? By Gwynne Dyer Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has declared that any attack on his country's embassy in Honduras will lead to war between the two nations, and I can't help wishing that the Hondurans would call his bluff. The Venezeluan blowhard is getting tiresome. In the first of the ``Dirty Harry'' movies, 30 years ago, Clint Eastwood achieved immortality with a single line. Pointing a very large pistol at an evil-doer (as George W. Bush might have put it), he addresses the miscreant, who is thinking about reaching for his own gun, as follows: ``You've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?'' Hugo Chavez is more a well-meaning idiot than an evildoer, but the question is the same: will he really go for his gun? The answer is no. He's not a complete idiot, and his threats to attack other Latin American countries whose behavior offends him (the most recent was Colombia, last year) always fade away after a while. What provoked Chavez's threat was the removal of the president of Honduras, Manuel Zelaya, who had become Chavez's close ally. Zelaya was arrested by the Honduran military, bundled into a plane and flown to Costa Rica on June 28. Elected to a single term as president in 2006, Zelaya astonished friend and foe alike by turning out to be not the center-right, business-friendly politician he had seemed. Instead, he began moving steadily to the left in his domestic policies, and linked Honduras diplomatically with the other socialist governments in Latin America. There is no doubt that he caused deep annoyance to the conservative elite who have traditionally dominated Honduran affairs, but they made no move to overthrow him. Why bother? The constitution limits Honduran presidents to one four-year term in office, and Zelaya's term comes to an end next January. No other leftist candidate was likely to win the presidential election that is due in November: recent opinion polls suggested that Zelaya's support nationally is down to around 30 percent. Even Zelaya's own party was unlikely to nominate another leftist as his successor, and many of its members no longer supported him. So all the major political forces were content to wait for the clock to run out on him ? until he started trying to change the constitution. Zelaya's bright idea was to end the one-term limit so he could run for president again himself. It's exactly the same tactic that Chavez has used in Venezuela to prolong his rule indefinitely (he now talks about being in power until 2030), and Zelaya believed, rightly or wrongly, that he could make it work for him in Honduras. So he set about organizing a referendum on the subject. It was scheduled for the last Sunday of June. Alas, the president of Honduras does not have the right to organize a referendum all by himself, and the country's Supreme Court ordered him to stop. Congress also condemned the maneuver, but Zelaya plowed ahead regardless. When the army, obedient to the Supreme Court's orders, refused to help Zelaya run the referendum, he fired the army's commanding general and got his own party activists to distribute the ballot boxes. At that point, Congress voted to remove Zelaya because of his ``repeated violations of the constitution and the law and disregard of orders and judgments of the institutions,'' and the Supreme Court ordered the army to intervene and arrest the president. It was a mistake to put him on a plane bound for Costa Rica, as that made it look like a traditional Central American coup, but, apart from that, everything was done within the law. The speaker of the Congress, Roberto Micheletti, who has taken over until the November elections, insists that he has become interim president ``as the result of an absolutely legal transition process.'' Chavez and his Bolivian, Ecuadorian, Nicaraguan and Cuban allies claim it's a military coup, and insist that the United States is behind it. Washington, which wasn't paying much attention until June 28, has been bounced into backing Zelaya too, as has the Organization of American States, whose secretary-general, Jose Miguel Insulza, has promised to accompany Zelaya in a grand return to Honduras. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has condemned the events in Honduras as a coup, and for all we know she might accompany Zelaya too. If Chavez decided to go along too, they would have enough people for a game of celebrity bridge, but all this posturing won't change anything. It might be different if the next Honduran election were years away and there were time for diplomatic and economic pressures to wear the legitimate Honduran authorities down, but it's only five months until Nov. 29. So long as that election is conducted properly, other countries will have no grounds to reject its outcome ? and Zelaya is constitutionally barred from running again. Unless Chavez actually attacks Honduras, that is, but it is a long way from Venezuela and Chavez's forces are not really equipped or trained for amphibious assaults or long-range air-drops. You can almost hear the Honduran soldiers muttering, ``Go ahead, make my day.'' My daughter Yaina aka ". Chucky la Nina Diabolica "
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#2 - Posted 6 July 2009, 7:32 AM
mirabal4ever Location: United States Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2380 Posts: 1196	RE: Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo? Well, do ya, punk?'' Quote: FredCDobbs previously said: 07-06-2009 17:20 Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo? By Gwynne Dyer Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez has declared that any attack on his country's embassy in Honduras will lead to war between the two nations, and I can't help wishing that the Hondurans would call his bluff. The Venezeluan blowhard is getting tiresome. In the first of the ``Dirty Harry'' movies, 30 years ago, Clint Eastwood achieved immortality with a single line. Pointing a very large pistol at an evil-doer (as George W. Bush might have put it), he addresses the miscreant, who is thinking about reaching for his own gun, as follows: ``You've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?'' Hugo Chavez is more a well-meaning idiot than an evildoer, but the question is the same: will he really go for his gun? The answer is no. He's not a complete idiot, and his threats to attack other Latin American countries whose behavior offends him (the most recent was Colombia, last year) always fade away after a while. What provoked Chavez's threat was the removal of the president of Honduras, Manuel Zelaya, who had become Chavez's close ally. Zelaya was arrested by the Honduran military, bundled into a plane and flown to Costa Rica on June 28. Elected to a single term as president in 2006, Zelaya astonished friend and foe alike by turning out to be not the center-right, business-friendly politician he had seemed. Instead, he began moving steadily to the left in his domestic policies, and linked Honduras diplomatically with the other socialist governments in Latin America. There is no doubt that he caused deep annoyance to the conservative elite who have traditionally dominated Honduran affairs, but they made no move to overthrow him. Why bother? The constitution limits Honduran presidents to one four-year term in office, and Zelaya's term comes to an end next January. No other leftist candidate was likely to win the presidential election that is due in November: recent opinion polls suggested that Zelaya's support nationally is down to around 30 percent. Even Zelaya's own party was unlikely to nominate another leftist as his successor, and many of its members no longer supported him. So all the major political forces were content to wait for the clock to run out on him ? until he started trying to change the constitution. Zelaya's bright idea was to end the one-term limit so he could run for president again himself. It's exactly the same tactic that Chavez has used in Venezuela to prolong his rule indefinitely (he now talks about being in power until 2030), and Zelaya believed, rightly or wrongly, that he could make it work for him in Honduras. So he set about organizing a referendum on the subject. It was scheduled for the last Sunday of June. Alas, the president of Honduras does not have the right to organize a referendum all by himself, and the country's Supreme Court ordered him to stop. Congress also condemned the maneuver, but Zelaya plowed ahead regardless. When the army, obedient to the Supreme Court's orders, refused to help Zelaya run the referendum, he fired the army's commanding general and got his own party activists to distribute the ballot boxes. At that point, Congress voted to remove Zelaya because of his ``repeated violations of the constitution and the law and disregard of orders and judgments of the institutions,'' and the Supreme Court ordered the army to intervene and arrest the president. It was a mistake to put him on a plane bound for Costa Rica, as that made it look like a traditional Central American coup, but, apart from that, everything was done within the law. The speaker of the Congress, Roberto Micheletti, who has taken over until the November elections, insists that he has become interim president ``as the result of an absolutely legal transition process.'' Chavez and his Bolivian, Ecuadorian, Nicaraguan and Cuban allies claim it's a military coup, and insist that the United States is behind it. Washington, which wasn't paying much attention until June 28, has been bounced into backing Zelaya too, as has the Organization of American States, whose secretary-general, Jose Miguel Insulza, has promised to accompany Zelaya in a grand return to Honduras. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has condemned the events in Honduras as a coup, and for all we know she might accompany Zelaya too. If Chavez decided to go along too, they would have enough people for a game of celebrity bridge, but all this posturing won't change anything. It might be different if the next Honduran election were years away and there were time for diplomatic and economic pressures to wear the legitimate Honduran authorities down, but it's only five months until Nov. 29. So long as that election is conducted properly, other countries will have no grounds to reject its outcome ? and Zelaya is constitutionally barred from running again. Unless Chavez actually attacks Honduras, that is, but it is a long way from Venezuela and Chavez's forces are not really equipped or trained for amphibious assaults or long-range air-drops. You can almost hear the Honduran soldiers muttering, ``Go ahead, make my day.'' yeah chavez makes me sicker an sicker with his lack of minding his own buisness. one of my friends who happens to be honduran mentioned to me that she is convinced chavez is just blowing air. i fully agree.
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#3 - Posted 6 July 2009, 7:37 AM
FredCDobbs Location: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2573 Posts: 3334	LET US HOPE ALL THESE THINGS BLOW UP IN HUGOS FACE LET US HOPE ALL THESE THINGS BLOW UP IN HIS FACE >>>HOW DUMB CAN THE PUBLIC BE AND HOW CHEAP THEY SELL THEIR VOTE From Monday's Globe and Mail Last updated on Monday, Jul. 06, 2009 03:51AM EDT While international opinion has correctly rallied behind the ousted President of Honduras, it is important that Manuel Zelaya's machinations to rewrite the Honduran constitution to allow for a generalissimo clause were brought firmly and finally to an end. Like his idol, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who won a referendum earlier this year to eliminate term limits, Mr. Zelaya wants to revert to the days in which Latin American heads of state could extend their rule indefinitely. Had he succeeded, it would have represented a blow against the rule of law in Honduras and, with Mr. Chavez, a trend toward a return to authoritarianism in the region. U.S. President Barack Obama expressed precisely these same concerns when he met this week with Alvaro Uribe, the President of Colombia, and alluded to Mr. Uribe's possible pursuit of a third term. Mr. Obama said, "We know that our experience in the United States is that two terms works for us and that after eight years usually the American people want a change." Meeting with reporters, Mr. Obama said that he told the Colombian leader that part of what made George Washington great "was not just being the founder of our country, but also the fact that at a time when he could have stayed president for life, he made a decision that after service he was able to step aside and return to civilian life. And that set a precedent then for the future." The Honduran Constitution permits presidents to sit for one term of four years. It's not a long time, but the law was drafted with this very concern in mind. Honduras, like many other Latin American countries, has a long and unhappy history of authoritarianism. Mr. Zelaya, whose term was scheduled to end next January, was wrong to put his personal desire to maintain power above his constitutionally specified term of office. Before his ouster, he had issued a decree compelling government employees to participate in a "Public Opinion Poll to convene a National Constitutional Assembly." In other words, he was pushing to stay on, putting himself ahead of the country's understandable need for protection against Chavez-style lifetime rule. The move by the Honduran military to oust Mr. Zelaya and send him into exile has placed the deposed president into the role of democratic defender, and he has the world on his side. Mr. Zelaya should be restored to office, but if that happens he must also make explicit that he will uphold the constitutional provisions on term limits. The principle he was toying with changing is fundamental to democracy in executive-style presidencies. Even Russia's Vladimir Putin, in a way, understood as much. My daughter Yaina aka ". Chucky la Nina Diabolica "
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#6 - Posted 6 July 2009, 4:47 PM
FredCDobbs Location: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2573 Posts: 3334	RE: Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo? Well, do ya, punk?'' Honduran President Manuel Zelaya tried to pull a fast one like hugo and he got his pee pee wacked and rightfully so My daughter Yaina aka ". Chucky la Nina Diabolica "
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#7 - Posted 7 July 2009, 4:47 PM
Glimmertwin Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1932 Posts: 884	RE: Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo? Well, do ya, punk?'' Quote: mirabal4ever previously said: Quote: FredCDobbs previously said: Unless Chavez actually attacks Honduras, that is, but it is a long way from Venezuela and Chavez's forces are not really equipped or trained for amphibious assaults or long-range air-drops. You can almost hear the Honduran soldiers muttering, ``Go ahead, make my day.'' yeah chavez makes me sicker an sicker with his lack of minding his own buisness. one of my friends who happens to be honduran mentioned to me that she is convinced chavez is just blowing air. i fully agree. mira: Im surprised of your comment... you see, unlike Goulet, CW and tonyc, I dont generally hate a person and thus all actions done by them , I disagree with their actions on an issue or action... On teh Honduras issue , Chavez happens to be on what I consider to be the right side...... did you also call for the US to mind thier own business when the US refueld brithish plains on their way to the falklans?
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#4 - Posted 6 July 2009, 9:40 AM
cabaretewilliam Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 2555	RE: LET US HOPE ALL THESE THINGS BLOW UP IN HUGOS FACE The move by the Honduran military to oust Mr. Zelaya and send him into exile has placed the deposed president into the role of democratic defender, and he has the world on his side. Wrong: The countries COngress voted to put him out as he was trying to take democracy away. he was put out not by the military but by a elected gov, members, for trying to change the constitution, Try that in the USA and see what happens. They were right to throw him out - now if only they can do the same with Chavez William Visit: www.caribbeanrealty.ca www.casablancacabarete.com
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#8 - Posted 7 July 2009, 4:51 PM
FredCDobbs Location: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2573 Posts: 3334	RE: Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo? Well, do ya, punk?'' Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: Quote: mirabal4ever previously said: Quote: FredCDobbs previously said: Unless Chavez actually attacks Honduras, that is, but it is a long way from Venezuela and Chavez's forces are not really equipped or trained for amphibious assaults or long-range air-drops. You can almost hear the Honduran soldiers muttering, ``Go ahead, make my day.'' yeah chavez makes me sicker an sicker with his lack of minding his own buisness. one of my friends who happens to be honduran mentioned to me that she is convinced chavez is just blowing air. i fully agree. mira: Im surprised of your comment... you see, unlike Goulet, CW and tonyc, I dont generally hate a person and thus all actions done by them , I disagree with their actions on an issue or action... On teh Honduras issue , Chavez happens to be on what I consider to be the right side...... did you also call for the US to mind thier own business when the US refueld brithish plains on their way to the falklans? glimm you poor peasant we will grind you under the wheels of our gilded carriages as we ride by with the blinds drawn My daughter Yaina aka ". Chucky la Nina Diabolica "
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#9 - Posted 7 July 2009, 5:05 PM
Glimmertwin Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1932 Posts: 884	RE: Do You Feel Lucky, Hugo? Well, do ya, punk?'' Quote: FredCDobbs previously said: Quote: Glimmertwin previously said: Quote: mirabal4ever previously said: yeah chavez makes me sicker an sicker with his lack of minding his own buisness. one of my friends who happens to be honduran mentioned to me that she is convinced chavez is just blowing air. i fully agree. mira: Im surprised of your comment... you see, unlike Goulet, CW and tonyc, I dont generally hate a person and thus all actions done by them , I disagree with their actions on an issue or action... On teh Honduras issue , Chavez happens to be on what I consider to be the right side...... did you also call for the US to mind thier own business when the US refueld brithish plains on their way to the falklans? glimm you poor peasant we will grind you under the wheels of our gilded carriages as we ride by with the blinds drawn yeah, goulet...great reply..... now why dont you direct that same energy to the dictators you obsess about.... the congress that some say legally ousted zelaya, also read a fake resignation letter....... if we all try to be consistent there would be less bickering and less fanaticism.... jsut bcs he was a lefty and you are a neocon, doesnt mean you should rejoice let us learn from St Barrack, the prophet.... =================================================================== Obama: EE.UU. apoya el restablecimiento de Zelaya MOSCU.- EE.UU. apoya el restablecimiento del presidente democráticamente elegido en Honduras, Manuel Zelaya, aunque este líder se haya opuesto a la política estadounidense, afirmó hoy el presidente Barack Obama. En un discurso ante la Nueva Escuela Económica en Moscú, donde se encuentra para una visita de 48 horas, Obama aseguró que respalda la vuelta al poder de Zelaya "no porque esté de acuerdo con él" sino porque "respetamos el principio universal de que la gente debe escoger a sus propios líderes, estemos de acuerdo con ellos o no".
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#10 - Posted 8 July 2009, 7:54 AM
FredCDobbs Location: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2573 Posts: 3334	U.S. support of exiled Honduran president questioned U.S. support of exiled Honduran president questioned Manuel ZelayaAn author and Latin American expert says the American people aren't getting an accurate picture of what's happening inside Honduras, following the ouster of that country's president. On Monday, police and soldiers blanketed the streets of the capital Tegucigalpa, where a dusk-to-dawn curfew was put in effect. Officials also closed the country's main airport for 24 hours. The action came a day after soldiers blocked an airport runway to prevent Manuel Zelaya from returning. Zelaya is now in El Salvador and vowing to try again to return to power in a country where all branches of government have lined up against him. Zelaya was taken from his home at gunpoint by soldiers and flown into exile on June 25, after months of pushing for a constitutional referendum that Honduras' courts and Congress had called illegal. Author Humberto Fontova fled communist Cuba in 1961 and has several contacts inside Honduras. He says Zelaya was, in fact, trying to usurp constitutional term limits. "He was going to hold a referendum to extend his term, just like Hugo Chavez did, because he would not be able to run again in November because the Honduran Constitution mandated that he could not run again," Fontova explains. However, according to Fontova, those who deposed Zelaya are being branded as the "bad guys" by the American media and the Obama administration. Humberto Fontova "Parties there are saying, 'Okay, we can understand [Daniel] Ortega because he is a communist. We can understand Hugo Chavez. We can understand Raul Castro.' But they feel very, very betrayed," he adds. "They say, 'What's going on here? Why is the U.S. siding with these people?' And they don't have a good answer, and I don't either." Still Fontova believes the current government will hold fast and prevent Zelaya from coming back into power. My daughter Yaina aka ". Chucky la Nina Diabolica "
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