Machismo And Double Standard In The Dominican Republic....... - Santo Domingo

Machismo And Double Standard In The Dominican Republic.......

First of all, I have to say, so there's not misundertandings, that I am not talking abou the whole Dominican male population.

Second of all, I have to let you all know that a Dominican can love the DR and still not paint it with a "perfect brush".

There ONE thing that pisses the hell out of me about the DR and that's the way the women are treated/looked at over there.

Whether some of us want to admit it or not, the DR is a male-dominated country and males have different rules than women.

True, the Dominican females have come a looooooong way from the old days when women didn't work and were looked at as, plain and simple, doormats, but still, the machismo and double standards are alive and well and are not going anywhere any time soon.

There was a time when I thought that Dominican women where the most suffering women in the Caribbean.

In my opinion, most are looked at as second-class citizens whose voice/opinions mean nothing.

Even as we "speak", there are married men fathering kids with other women, while their suffering wives are home taking care of their kids.

Even as we "speak" there are married men supporting a "querida" (lover) while treating her like a Queen and his wife as a doormat.

Some don't even care if their wives know about it and some even display their "querida" around his neighborhood not caring if his wife and kids sees them.

I personally have 3 cousins in the DR (which, btw, I want nothing to do with them) who proudly tells, WHOMEVER listens, of the things they can get away with even if married with kids.

One of those idiot even have the nerves to proudly say that it's in his blood because he was raised that way....raised to see women as objects.

I personally see it as a problem when a man who has a few women is labeled, by many, as "que macho, que hombon" (what a macho, what a big man) while a woman with even a few male friends is labeled, by most, a "puta" (whore).

Now, what't wrong with that picture if not machismo and double standard?.

I know for a fact, unless on denial, that many Dominicans here feel the same way........and if they don't, they should ask their mothers and I am sure she will tell them them a thing or two about Dominican males.....about their struggles...for generations and generations.

I hope I an not the only one "seeing" thing.

Edited on 3/18/2011 10:35 PM by TuPapaupa.

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#10 - Posted 14 July 2009, 5:15 PM
JEM237 Location: United States, In your mind Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1042 Posts: 775	RE: Machismo And Double Standards In The DR. Quote: dreadlocks previously said: actually, Ruffryder, i beg to differ with your assessment of this as an international phenomenon. how many of your male friends in Canada openly flaunt their many girlfriends in the face of their wives? how many of them still live at home, in the house, and how many have had the house taken away in divorce proceedings? you cannot possibly equate the trials and tribulations of the latin woman with the north american types, who, if they SUSPECT that you are having an outside affair, enlist the services of private detectives to track your movements, then avail themselves of ferocious divorce attorneys to clean your clock. no, no, no. because of the paternal, Roman Catholic ethos, which creates an air of male dominance, Dominican women are treated i a manner which suits the man. why do you think that so many Dominican men have received resounding slaps in the face on USA dancefloors? because ,in the DR, they are accustomed to, and permitted to, grope the posteriors of their dance partners, whether they know them or not. that does not sit well in a place like New York, and oftentimes gets you injured, or worse. I'm sorry Dread but I have to say that you're being a bit of a hipocrite here. Come on now, you're seriously arguing that a male-dominated society is not an international phenomenon? Who are you kidding? Your example of Canadian men is weak; Just because they may not flaunt their multiple girlfriends in their wives' faces does not make them less assholes than if they do it behind her back! Better the devil that you know than the one in disguise! Also, not all North American women resort to hiring private detectives, that is something that obviously costs a lot of money and although women in the U.S. make more money than women in the rest of the world not all have the kind of money to spend on those kind of services. Are you forgetting that although many women in the U.S. make a lot more money than some men, Men still generally get paid a $1.00 more on average for doing the same job? Do I have to provide examples on here of the things non-Latino coworkers of mine (African-American, White, Asian, etc.) have said about their views on women and how many of them cheat on their girlfriends/wives? Are we forgetting that almost 50% of marriages fail in the almighty U.S.? Do you want me to tell you what I've male friends of mine that have girlfriends/wives do on "Guys Night Out"? A man, no matter what nationality, is only as faithful as his options. A man, no matter what his nationality when presented with an "opportunity" to cheat will not immediately think of the suffering he might cause his significant other but rather will think "How am I going to get away with this?" I would never stick my hand in the fire for Dominican men or any other race of men for that matter but to only call out Dominican men on their womanizing ways is unfair, especially coming from other men that do the same exact thing. Roman Catholic ethos? Come on, you can't be serious here. How about the Muslim ethos and their views and oppression of women? JFK cheated on Jackie countless times as it has been documented, Bill Clinton got.....well we all know the story there. Norm Coleman turned out to be a womanizer, Mark Sanford ran away into the forest and admitted to an affair, Jesse Jackson also had an affair, Michael Jordan cheated and went as far as even buying a house for his other woman. So, to me, the double standard is definitely in full force in the U.S. than in any other country and while I am certainly against the attitude that most Dominican guys have toward women, I can say that at least they admit they are womanizers rather than be hipocrites and deny and then do the same thing behind everyone's back. Now as far as the groping, gimme a break. The media decided to make an "example" out of the incident at the Puerto Rican parade a few years back, but women being groped at clubs, parades, festivals, and other public events has died down considerably but I can assure that it still happens. Puh-lease! Que tire la primera piedra quien no haya pecado! Ha ha! Edited on 7/14/2009 8:09 PM by JEM237. "Those who do not hate their own selfishness and regard themselves as more important than the rest of the world are blind because the truth lies elsewhere" - Blaise Pascal
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#1 - Posted 14 July 2009, 2:34 PM
TuPapaupa Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13937	Machismo And Double Standard In The Dominican Republic....... First of all, I have to say, so there's not misundertandings, that I am not talking abou the whole Dominican male population. Second of all, I have to let you all know that a Dominican can love the DR and still not paint it with a "perfect brush". There ONE thing that pisses the hell out of me about the DR and that's the way the women are treated/looked at over there. Whether some of us want to admit it or not, the DR is a male-dominated country and males have different rules than women. True, the Dominican females have come a looooooong way from the old days when women didn't work and were looked at as, plain and simple, doormats, but still, the machismo and double standards are alive and well and are not going anywhere any time soon. There was a time when I thought that Dominican women where the most suffering women in the Caribbean. In my opinion, most are looked at as second-class citizens whose voice/opinions mean nothing. Even as we "speak", there are married men fathering kids with other women, while their suffering wives are home taking care of their kids. Even as we "speak" there are married men supporting a "querida" (lover) while treating her like a Queen and his wife as a doormat. Some don't even care if their wives know about it and some even display their "querida" around his neighborhood not caring if his wife and kids sees them. I personally have 3 cousins in the DR (which, btw, I want nothing to do with them) who proudly tells, WHOMEVER listens, of the things they can get away with even if married with kids. One of those idiot even have the nerves to proudly say that it's in his blood because he was raised that way....raised to see women as objects. I personally see it as a problem when a man who has a few women is labeled, by many, as "que macho, que hombon" (what a macho, what a big man) while a woman with even a few male friends is labeled, by most, a "puta" (whore). Now, what't wrong with that picture if not machismo and double standard?. I know for a fact, unless on denial, that many Dominicans here feel the same way........and if they don't, they should ask their mothers and I am sure she will tell them them a thing or two about Dominican males.....about their struggles...for generations and generations. I hope I an not the only one "seeing" thing. Edited on 3/18/2011 10:35 PM by TuPapaupa. I am "An Army Of One" Come Get Some!!.
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#2 - Posted 14 July 2009, 2:59 PM
Ruffryder Location: Canada, El Baron Del Cementerio Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3093 Posts: 46	RE: Machismo And Double Standards In The DR. Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Whether some of us want to admit it or not, the DR is a male-dominated country and males have different rules than women. No different than the rest of the world. Why do you have so much hate for Dominican people?
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#3 - Posted 14 July 2009, 3:10 PM
TuPapaupa Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13937	RE: Machismo And Double Standards In The DR. Quote: Ruffryder previously said: Quote: TuPapaupa previously said: Whether some of us want to admit it or not, the DR is a male-dominated country and males have different rules than women. No different than the rest of the world. Why do you have so much hate for Dominican people? This it not TheRestOfTHeWorld.Com.....this is DominicanToday.Com. How is saying Dominican women have suffered "machismo and double standard" for generations has to do with hating or not hating the DR?.......I am defending Dominican females and last I heard, they are people also. How did you come to that conclusion?. Let me guess, are you a Dominican males?. Edited on 7/14/2009 3:15 PM by TuPapaupa. I am "An Army Of One" Come Get Some!!.
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#4 - Posted 14 July 2009, 3:50 PM
Ruffryder Location: Canada, El Baron Del Cementerio Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3093 Posts: 46	RE: Machismo And Double Standards In The DR. Insecure people tend to be very sensitive to critique and respond with defensiveness. They aren’t comfortable enough with themselves to accept that they might be flawed.
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#5 - Posted 14 July 2009, 4:02 PM
dreadlocks Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17818	RE: Machismo And Double Standards In The DR. actually, Ruffryder, i beg to differ with your assessment of this as an international phenomenon. how many of your male friends in Canada openly flaunt their many girlfriends in the face of their wives? how many of them still live at home, in the house, and how many have had the house taken away in divorce proceedings? you cannot possibly equate the trials and tribulations of the latin woman with the north american types, who, if they SUSPECT that you are having an outside affair, enlist the services of private detectives to track your movements, then avail themselves of ferocious divorce attorneys to clean your clock. no, no, no. because of the paternal, Roman Catholic ethos, which creates an air of male dominance, Dominican women are treated i a manner which suits the man. why do you think that so many Dominican men have received resounding slaps in the face on USA dancefloors? because ,in the DR, they are accustomed to, and permitted to, grope the posteriors of their dance partners, whether they know them or not. that does not sit well in a place like New York, and oftentimes gets you injured, or worse.
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#6 - Posted 14 July 2009, 4:05 PM
TuPapaupa Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13937	RE: Machismo And Double Standards In The DR. Quote: Ruffryder previously said: Insecure people tend to be very sensitive to critique and respond with defensiveness. They aren’t comfortable enough with themselves to accept that they might be flawed. Yet you still didn't answer the questions..... Who's the "sensitive" one, again?. If you have nothing to say about the topic.....take yourself and all your 15 posts to another thread. I am "An Army Of One" Come Get Some!!.
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#7 - Posted 14 July 2009, 4:09 PM
TuPapaupa Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13937	RE: Machismo And Double Standards In The DR. Quote: dreadlocks previously said: actually, Ruffryder, i beg to differ with your assessment of this as an international phenomenon. how many of your male friends in Canada openly flaunt their many girlfriends in the face of their wives? how many of them still live at home, in the house, and how many have had the house taken away in divorce proceedings? you cannot possibly equate the trials and tribulations of the latin woman with the north american types, who, if they SUSPECT that you are having an outside affair, enlist the services of private detectives to track your movements, then avail themselves of ferocious divorce attorneys to clean your clock. no, no, no. because of the paternal, Roman Catholic ethos, which creates an air of male dominance, Dominican women are treated i a manner which suits the man. why do you think that so many Dominican men have received resounding slaps in the face on USA dancefloors? because ,in the DR, they are accustomed to, and permitted to, grope the posteriors of their dance partners, whether they know them or not. that does not sit well in a place like New York, and oftentimes gets you injured, or worse. FINALLY....someone knows what I am talking about. I'll leave Ruff to answer you, if you are lucky, and then I'll reply to your interesting post. I am "An Army Of One" Come Get Some!!.
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#8 - Posted 14 July 2009, 4:13 PM
Ruffryder Location: Canada, El Baron Del Cementerio Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3093 Posts: 46	RE: Machismo And Double Standards In The DR. Enough nonsense. Stop calling women 'tranny' to insult them. You're only shining a spotlight on your Bushian level of ignorance on Machismo issues when you do so. I hope you have a nice day.
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#9 - Posted 14 July 2009, 4:32 PM
TuPapaupa Location: United States, Everywhere Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 13937	RE: Machismo And Double Standards In The DR. Quote: Ruffryder previously said: Enough nonsense. Stop calling women 'tranny' to insult them. You're only shining a spotlight on your Bushian level of ignorance on Machismo issues when you do so. I hope you have a nice day. Busy reading my posts?.......you do it to everybody or am I your only "target"?......I feel so important. JAJAJAJA. Generalize all you want but because I don't, I don't call women "tranny", I called and asked someone ( one "person" ) who looks like a TRANNY if she was ever asked if she was one....... ONE, not all women, so get your stories straight.....sea hombre o mujer, el que me busca me encuentra. End of story. Are you going to answer the questions or reply to Dread's post directed at you?.......Or am I right that you came to this thread for a "purpose"?. Well, whatever the reason, it didn't work. Thank you for wishing me a "nice day'.......I ALWAYS have nice days. Now, if you are Dominican, ask your mother and I bet she will tell you I am right. Edited on 7/14/2009 4:56 PM by TuPapaupa. I am "An Army Of One" Come Get Some!!.
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