Montesquieu previously said:


No such thing as a border wall my friend, it's called a border fence. Unless you're having visions of Ancient China of course

I'll dig up the article on the costs of the whole thing. DR couldn't afford such a thing.

mirabal4ever previously said:


why did they mention the berlin wall then? a wall can definetely be afforded. you are right though probably not likely due to funds being thrown in the wrong places. in my opinion that is.

etiennc01 previously said:

mirabal (not one of the genuine Mirabal sisters) I predict that one day we will sit down at the Adrian restaurant on la avenida Independencia and will enjoy un sancocho .You always make me smile.

Montesquieu previously said:


Well if that's what some people here support, I'm sorry for these people. I don't see how having anything resembling the iron curtain benefits the Dominican Republic.

Not the article I'm looking for but here's the cost for a US-Mexico fence: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/08/BAG6RNEJJG1.DTL

An obvious difference between the two borders, but it should give you an idea.

mirabal4ever previously said:


An obvious difference is correct considering the geographical difference in miles!

Gizmoe previously said:

PoponLaBurra
DR has a need. A civic need "A border wall". IF the situation continues like it is, in five years we could say goodbye DR.

US and Israel are building a wall; France was paying off illegal immigrants to go back to their countries, so why in the world do we have to care what a group of international NGOs have to say? Trust me no government will interfere with another country national security, not after 9/11.

Let them think and say what they want. We should not fear what they would say.
We should worry about that after we build the wall. Besides our government does what ever they want, they do not care what the international community says.

Gizmoe Agreed Popon, the Dominican goverment will have a proper defense against any foreign power that would stifle or impose the creation of a border wall. The terrible conditions found in Haiti regarding it's political unstable conditions of old and present, the environmental destruction of there flora and fauna that is extending presently with the large numbers of illegals in the Dominican Republic. The threat of population explosion in the island, many studies have been made of the high birthrates in Haiti, and the same practice is being transferred in the Dominican Republic. The resourses wether environmental or social in the country like water, food, land depredation, jobs, enegry production, healthcare all these multiply as the haitian illegal migration grows and we could add more... So yes the Dominican state has an extensive and well defined defense against anyone who dare say that we can't build a border wall while deporting the illegals found in the country.

brasilenoisback previously said:



Pretty interesting stuff.

Brasilenos previously said:



The concrete embodiment of the Iron Curtain was, of course, the Berlin Wall and the extended barrier separating East and West Germany, with its parallel chain-link fences and enclosed "death strip" controlled by machine-gun towers and minefields. Perhaps no wall in history has been more famous as a barrier to human freedom.

Walls along frontiers have always been potent symbols, not so much of security and power, but of insecurity, racism and xenophobia in some cases, of power gone mad. unilateral measure that goes against the spirit of understanding and cooperation that should exist between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. What you propose is a plan that is a affront to human dignity and to human rights .

A plan that effectively criminalizes migration and, by extension, poverty. It moreover contradicts the spirit of hemispheric free trade championed by the United States and other countries like Mexico and Guatemala. It is clear to me just how prejudicial a wall will be to relations between Haiti and the D.R. and the rest of Latin America.

PLEASE TELL me how much more alien a concept in relations between neighboring countries can there be than a dividing wall? Perhaps such a plan could only arise in a country that is a life bed for human rights violations. And there are other ironies, except that this is not a government or a people given to understanding irony.

America is herself a country made great by immigrants, some of them illegal immigrants from the Dominican Republic. Indeed, the same complaints I hear about Haitians are similar to those I hear from Puerto Ricans about Dominican migrating to their island. Should we build a wall around Puerto Rico too? Or maybe a wall around the Western states of the U.S.?

NO.. history has shown that walls do not resolve tensions within societies or across borders. Whatever barrier is built, it would, like other walls in history, be a reflection of exclusion, division and rejection. Building a wall will not solve Dominican security problems. Nor will it solve its immigration problems. If anything, it will exacerbate them. And it will hardly be a shining example of the goodwill of the Dominican Republic towards the rest of the Americas.

The Dominican government needs to recognize the human rights of Haitian migrants. It needs to work towards reform of its migratory laws. It needs to regularize their status and provide them with documentation, establish a guess worker program. And it needs to work with Haiti to address the reason why millions of Haitians sneak into the Dominican Republic, and why a equal number of Dominican putas and others risk life, limb and dignity to sneak into Puerto Rico.