mirabal4ever previously said:

it takes a warrior like gizmoe to have the burden that he has for his country. to support you i have said that more job openings are on the way for border patrol. we need soldiers to partrol the frontier to drive out the invaders. the best is yet to come as we continue our strategic planning for the beterment of la republica.

generoso previously said:

Gizmoe
"The border wall The border area will be a great place for many people to make a career out of. All Dominican youth will participate in helping there homeland be safe from illegal immigrants from Haiti. Every Dominican youth male and female would be enlisted for a full month of duty in border enforcement, the ages of participation are 18 thru 21".

Generoso: The military draft should be reinstated, as in Trujillo's time and become obligatory for youths 18 and over. But "border duty" should be assigned not as a penalization but as an incentive for the best and the brightest, with adequate incentives provided.

Gizmoe:
"They would be trained in self defense and how to handle weapons by the best trained military personnel. Males will be separated from females to avoid any sexual harassment or any other problems... Now as i said in another thread the border wall's function is to deter illegal entry from Haiti, the border wall would be all along the geographical area between both country's. Obviously there's areas in the geography of the island where the physical border would not be able to be a continous entity especially in high mountainous regions, these areas would be covered by all terrain vehicles that would be posted on the Dominican side of the border by a large force of army personnel preferably near small military bases fully staffed"

Generoso:
There are some mountainous regions specially in the south that would need less supervision than other areas, and those should be patrolled with all terrain vehicles from close military bases. We wouldn't need a physical fence in those areas, but other impediments in place.


Gizmoe:
"there would be one single base to house planes that would be the San Isidro Base that would be transferred to a strategic part of the border area. The use of helicopters and planes in these hard inaccessible areas will be used for the purpose of patrolling the border"

Generoso:
I see no point in having San Isidro air force base so close to the city, as it is now. Our basic invasion threat comes from the wide open border, and we should move San Isidro air force base to Barahona, where we would be a stone's throw from the Haitian border.


Gizmoe:
The border physical description will be two rows of walls running along continually with watch towers running on every mile with access to a road in the middle, although there will be a road on the Dominican side patrolling certain distances. Very important the Dominican side of the border will be a militarized zone any town or municipality near the area will be disbanded. East of the border on the Dominican side atleast 15 miles to 20 miles will be empty areas, where agriculture production and farming would be allowed. And reforestation programs will be implemented, the border on the Dominican side should serve as a barometer and buffer zone in keeping Haitian migrants outside of the country... In short as for Dominicans that hire illegal Haitians they would be fined for such practice

Generoso:
I am not sure if 15 to 20 miles is too much of a "buffer zone" or no man's land, but this could be studied and analyzed by experts in these matters. The reforestation program is crucial and necessary in our side of the border, and should have green light and priority.

generoso previously said:



I think we should have a border patrol force, completely independent from the military and police,
and with it's own funding and resources. Similar to when the AMET authority was created, that was independent, highly trained, better paid and motivated.

mirabal4ever previously said:


not far fetched at all!

Gizmoe previously said:


Gizmoe
"The border wall The border area will be a great place for many people to make a career out of. All Dominican youth will participate in helping there homeland be safe from illegal immigrants from Haiti. Every Dominican youth male and female would be enlisted for a full month of duty in border enforcement, the ages of participation are 18 thru 21".

Generoso: The military draft should be reinstated, as in Trujillo's time and become obligatory for youths 18 and over. But "border duty" should be assigned not as a penalization but as an incentive for the best and the brightest, with adequate incentives provided.

Gizmoe:
"They would be trained in self defense and how to handle weapons by the best trained military personnel. Males will be separated from females to avoid any sexual harassment or any other problems... Now as i said in another thread the border wall's function is to deter illegal entry from Haiti, the border wall would be all along the geographical area between both country's. Obviously there's areas in the geography of the island where the physical border would not be able to be a continous entity especially in high mountainous regions, these areas would be covered by all terrain vehicles that would be posted on the Dominican side of the border by a large force of army personnel preferably near small military bases fully staffed"

Generoso:
There are some mountainous regions specially in the south that would need less supervision than other areas, and those should be patrolled with all terrain vehicles from close military bases. We wouldn't need a physical fence in those areas, but other impediments in place.


Gizmoe:
"there would be one single base to house planes that would be the San Isidro Base that would be transferred to a strategic part of the border area. The use of helicopters and planes in these hard inaccessible areas will be used for the purpose of patrolling the border"

Generoso:
I see no point in having San Isidro air force base so close to the city, as it is now. Our basic invasion threat comes from the wide open border, and we should move San Isidro air force base to Barahona, where we would be a stone's throw from the Haitian border.


Gizmoe:
The border physical description will be two rows of walls running along continually with watch towers running on every mile with access to a road in the middle, although there will be a road on the Dominican side patrolling certain distances. Very important the Dominican side of the border will be a militarized zone any town or municipality near the area will be disbanded. East of the border on the Dominican side atleast 15 miles to 20 miles will be empty areas, where agriculture production and farming would be allowed. And reforestation programs will be implemented, the border on the Dominican side should serve as a barometer and buffer zone in keeping Haitian migrants outside of the country... In short as for Dominicans that hire illegal Haitians they would be fined for such practice

Generoso:
I am not sure if 15 to 20 miles is too much of a "buffer zone" or no man's land, but this could be studied and analyzed by experts in these matters. The reforestation program is crucial and necessary in our side of the border, and should have green light and priority.

Gizmoe Good ideas we can all agree and disagree on certain things. But the most important thing is that the border wall is a reasonable proposition for the preservation of our patrimony, and especially for Dominicans living in the island... For those that think that making a profit in the border area without any consequences is not being rational but living in an illusion. Apart from the commerce that goes on in the border between both country's, the merchants should be located inside of Haiti, it will be more convenient for Haitians. To have an open border policy is to encourage illegal migrants from crossing into the Dominican side, that current practice has to stop it's just senseless to have that going on and we are endangering ourselves as time goes by.

Gizmoe previously said:

Gizmoe
Gizmoe
"The border wall The border area will be a great place for many people to make a career out of. All Dominican youth will participate in helping there homeland be safe from illegal immigrants from Haiti. Every Dominican youth male and female would be enlisted for a full month of duty in border enforcement, the ages of participation are 18 thru 21".

Generoso: The military draft should be reinstated, as in Trujillo's time and become obligatory for youths 18 and over. But "border duty" should be assigned not as a penalization but as an incentive for the best and the brightest, with adequate incentives provided.

Gizmoe:
"They would be trained in self defense and how to handle weapons by the best trained military personnel. Males will be separated from females to avoid any sexual harassment or any other problems... Now as i said in another thread the border wall's function is to deter illegal entry from Haiti, the border wall would be all along the geographical area between both country's. Obviously there's areas in the geography of the island where the physical border would not be able to be a continous entity especially in high mountainous regions, these areas would be covered by all terrain vehicles that would be posted on the Dominican side of the border by a large force of army personnel preferably near small military bases fully staffed"

Generoso:
There are some mountainous regions specially in the south that would need less supervision than other areas, and those should be patrolled with all terrain vehicles from close military bases. We wouldn't need a physical fence in those areas, but other impediments in place.


Gizmoe:
"there would be one single base to house planes that would be the San Isidro Base that would be transferred to a strategic part of the border area. The use of helicopters and planes in these hard inaccessible areas will be used for the purpose of patrolling the border"

Generoso:
I see no point in having San Isidro air force base so close to the city, as it is now. Our basic invasion threat comes from the wide open border, and we should move San Isidro air force base to Barahona, where we would be a stone's throw from the Haitian border.


Gizmoe:
The border physical description will be two rows of walls running along continually with watch towers running on every mile with access to a road in the middle, although there will be a road on the Dominican side patrolling certain distances. Very important the Dominican side of the border will be a militarized zone any town or municipality near the area will be disbanded. East of the border on the Dominican side atleast 15 miles to 20 miles will be empty areas, where agriculture production and farming would be allowed. And reforestation programs will be implemented, the border on the Dominican side should serve as a barometer and buffer zone in keeping Haitian migrants outside of the country... In short as for Dominicans that hire illegal Haitians they would be fined for such practice

Generoso:
I am not sure if 15 to 20 miles is too much of a "buffer zone" or no man's land, but this could be studied and analyzed by experts in these matters. The reforestation program is crucial and necessary in our side of the border, and should have green light and priority.

Gizmoe Good ideas we can all agree and disagree on certain things. But the most important thing is that the border wall is a reasonable proposition for the preservation of our patrimony, and especially for Dominicans living in the island... For those that think that making a profit in the border area without any consequences is not being rational but living in an illusion. Apart from the commerce that goes on in the border between both country's, the merchants should be located inside of Haiti, it will be more convenient for Haitians. To have an open border policy is to encourage illegal migrants from crossing into the Dominican side, that current practice has to stop it's just senseless to have that going on and we are endangering ourselves as time goes by.

Generoso
You are right on, gizmoe, nobody can fool you into being a supporter of those that hire illegal Haitians for a profit, like Perodpeabrain who is in cahoots with the Haitian and Dominican elite employers in the exploitation of human beings.
An illusion and wet dream is being very nice to label that preposterous and air head proposal by Mr. Perodpeabrain, who now is only talking to himself in his lonely thread. No even his Haitian fellow traveler buddies are showing up in that thread any more, out of sheer disgust. LOL.
You only hear a loud echoooooooooooooooooo.

Gizmoe While i agree with the sentiment that you expressed Generoso regarding the hiring of illegals as being wrong... I would also use caution in not making a comparison between Dominican businessmen and Haitian businessmen, the Haitian business class is the most corrupt in exploiting the Haitian masses and the worst in the hemisphere i'm sure about that... Dominican business people on the other hand are just following the pattern of all businessmen all across the globe in exploiting illegals found in there particular country, no matter where. The same can be said in Germany or Italy or even here in the U.S. with Mexico, although the U.S. goverment is cracking down on corporations that hire illegals. The U.S. is still far from singing victory, illegals are still being employed even by other recent immigrants that own businesses but are documented or are already citizens.