| #81 - Posted 22 July 2009, 3:41 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3183 Posts: 71 | RE: The border wall must come up! Between Dominican Rep. & Haiti Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Brasilenos previously said: Quote: Gizmoe previously said: Aissedei Every country has to right to enforce their borders as the see fit. There were quite a few excellent arguments for building a border wall/fence on here so there’s not a whole lot I could add in support of that. However, a couple other things to think about: no matter how high the fence, people will still get through either through creativity (false docs, new routes) or corruption. It will just cost them a lot more depending on the smugglers difficulty. If they can’t get over, under or through the wall, they’ll find a way to sail around (it is an island after all). Therefore while the wall is needed there also has to be strict laws against hiring illegal aliens and an easy way for employers to determine the validity of a person’s legality before hiring them. They have to make it pointless for the people to bother sneaking in. Then they can modify the amount of people they let in legally as needed for labor, etc. and control the numbers. Furthermore, the government has to have the balls to actually enforce the laws that they create. Other countries are always going to criticize, but as mentioned by a previous poster they don’t typically get involved in any other way. A separate force apart from the military may be better for enforcing immigration at the border and internally since it’s basically law enforcement. Provide better training and better pay to hopefully avoid some of the corruption and have strict oversight of the programs. (In fact if they did that then many other countries with active border guards/patrols and other immigration services would probably jump to try and help with training and provide equipment or other assistance.) Gizmoe The entry of illegals through our open sea coasts it's a reality that we as a sovereign nation must also adhere to and enforce. A recommendation would be to have, a toll free number that would be disseminated through television and written media to report illegal Haitians in you're neighborhood or place of work... This and other deterents like penalizing employers that hire illegal Haitians will solve the illegal migration woes facing the Dominican Republic, the wall must come up soon and it will. It takes time to make things work this is not a short term plan, this is a long term project and the results will be positive instead of doing nothing. The entire argument about a so-called "Wall" are the same arguments that I heard when I was a kid living in the D.R., Indeed, its safe for me say that your mothers, fathers, your grand-parents made these same ridiculous arguments 15,20,30 yrs ago. Yet still no "Wall", no barrier, no nothing. Instead, we have thousands more Haitians in the D.R., both legal and illegal. "if you want to know what Dominicans think, ask a Dominican". Yesterday, I did just that. I visited several construction sites in the D.R.. I went to the "front-line" of this alleged argument to hear from real Dominicans. Not the unemployed losers hovering around computer keyboards at all times thru-out the day & night. I found (23) Dominicans working at various construction sites. I asked them "How do you feel about the majority of jobs here being held by haitians"? ALL BUT 4 STATED, "We will never get this job done if all Dominicans were working here.", "Dominican men are lazy"! "They do not like hard work"! "i would rather work with a haitian"! three dominicans I spoke with said they had their sons working with them, and that after JUST ONE DAY, they quit or never returned to the job site. I say one more time "ONE DAY"!. I visited 11 different work sites, only 4 Dominicans voiced concerned about haitians working with them. of the 4, 3 changed their positions after hearing other dominicans said it was ok, or after they realized I was not Dominican. The notion that Dominicans are being deprived of jobs by Haitians is a bunch of B.S.. Which is evident by the fact that you, not me have presented no evidence to support it. Haitians do the work in the dominican republic that Dominicans, simply put, WILL NOT DO. The current economic boom being experienced in the D.R. is contributed to the great sacrifices and contibutions that these brave decent, hardworking, haitians have made to the Dominican Republic. And I along with Presidente Fernandez and all the Presidents before him who have heard crys for a "Wall", say THEY ARE HERE TO STAY Sounding like a broken record now, aren't we? THATS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE SAYING TO YOUR FELLOW DOMINICANS, REHASHING THE SAME ARGUMENTS YOUR FATHERS & MOTHERS MADE 15,20, 30 YRS AGO. HAITIANS ARE'NT GOING NO WHERE.! Edited on 7/22/2009 3:42 PM by Brasilenos. |
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| #82 - Posted 22 July 2009, 3:48 PM | |
Location: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito" Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2380 Posts: 5015 | RE: The border wall must come up! Between Dominican Rep. & Haiti Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Brasilenos previously said: Quote: Gizmoe previously said: Aissedei Every country has to right to enforce their borders as the see fit. There were quite a few excellent arguments for building a border wall/fence on here so there’s not a whole lot I could add in support of that. However, a couple other things to think about: no matter how high the fence, people will still get through either through creativity (false docs, new routes) or corruption. It will just cost them a lot more depending on the smugglers difficulty. If they can’t get over, under or through the wall, they’ll find a way to sail around (it is an island after all). Therefore while the wall is needed there also has to be strict laws against hiring illegal aliens and an easy way for employers to determine the validity of a person’s legality before hiring them. They have to make it pointless for the people to bother sneaking in. Then they can modify the amount of people they let in legally as needed for labor, etc. and control the numbers. Furthermore, the government has to have the balls to actually enforce the laws that they create. Other countries are always going to criticize, but as mentioned by a previous poster they don’t typically get involved in any other way. A separate force apart from the military may be better for enforcing immigration at the border and internally since it’s basically law enforcement. Provide better training and better pay to hopefully avoid some of the corruption and have strict oversight of the programs. (In fact if they did that then many other countries with active border guards/patrols and other immigration services would probably jump to try and help with training and provide equipment or other assistance.) Gizmoe The entry of illegals through our open sea coasts it's a reality that we as a sovereign nation must also adhere to and enforce. A recommendation would be to have, a toll free number that would be disseminated through television and written media to report illegal Haitians in you're neighborhood or place of work... This and other deterents like penalizing employers that hire illegal Haitians will solve the illegal migration woes facing the Dominican Republic, the wall must come up soon and it will. It takes time to make things work this is not a short term plan, this is a long term project and the results will be positive instead of doing nothing. The entire argument about a so-called "Wall" are the same arguments that I heard when I was a kid living in the D.R., Indeed, its safe for me say that your mothers, fathers, your grand-parents made these same ridiculous arguments 15,20,30 yrs ago. Yet still no "Wall", no barrier, no nothing. Instead, we have thousands more Haitians in the D.R., both legal and illegal. "if you want to know what Dominicans think, ask a Dominican". Yesterday, I did just that. I visited several construction sites in the D.R.. I went to the "front-line" of this alleged argument to hear from real Dominicans. Not the unemployed losers hovering around computer keyboards at all times thru-out the day & night. I found (23) Dominicans working at various construction sites. I asked them "How do you feel about the majority of jobs here being held by haitians"? ALL BUT 4 STATED, "We will never get this job done if all Dominicans were working here.", "Dominican men are lazy"! "They do not like hard work"! "i would rather work with a haitian"! three dominicans I spoke with said they had their sons working with them, and that after JUST ONE DAY, they quit or never returned to the job site. I say one more time "ONE DAY"!. I visited 11 different work sites, only 4 Dominicans voiced concerned about haitians working with them. of the 4, 3 changed their positions after hearing other dominicans said it was ok, or after they realized I was not Dominican. The notion that Dominicans are being deprived of jobs by Haitians is a bunch of B.S.. Which is evident by the fact that you, not me have presented no evidence to support it. Haitians do the work in the dominican republic that Dominicans, simply put, WILL NOT DO. The current economic boom being experienced in the D.R. is contributed to the great sacrifices and contibutions that these brave decent, hardworking, haitians have made to the Dominican Republic. And I along with Presidente Fernandez and all the Presidents before him who have heard crys for a "Wall", say THEY ARE HERE TO STAY Sounding like a broken record now, aren't we? the mirabal combination that i just administerd to that wretched fool will have him seeing birds for a while! Conocer al cojo sentao! Las Aguilas son Las Aguilas!!!!!!!! |
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| #83 - Posted 22 July 2009, 3:50 PM | |
Location: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito" Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2380 Posts: 5015 | RE: The border wall must come up! Between Dominican Rep. & Haiti Quote: Brasilenos previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Brasilenos previously said: Quote: Gizmoe previously said: Aissedei Every country has to right to enforce their borders as the see fit. There were quite a few excellent arguments for building a border wall/fence on here so there’s not a whole lot I could add in support of that. However, a couple other things to think about: no matter how high the fence, people will still get through either through creativity (false docs, new routes) or corruption. It will just cost them a lot more depending on the smugglers difficulty. If they can’t get over, under or through the wall, they’ll find a way to sail around (it is an island after all). Therefore while the wall is needed there also has to be strict laws against hiring illegal aliens and an easy way for employers to determine the validity of a person’s legality before hiring them. They have to make it pointless for the people to bother sneaking in. Then they can modify the amount of people they let in legally as needed for labor, etc. and control the numbers. Furthermore, the government has to have the balls to actually enforce the laws that they create. Other countries are always going to criticize, but as mentioned by a previous poster they don’t typically get involved in any other way. A separate force apart from the military may be better for enforcing immigration at the border and internally since it’s basically law enforcement. Provide better training and better pay to hopefully avoid some of the corruption and have strict oversight of the programs. (In fact if they did that then many other countries with active border guards/patrols and other immigration services would probably jump to try and help with training and provide equipment or other assistance.) Gizmoe The entry of illegals through our open sea coasts it's a reality that we as a sovereign nation must also adhere to and enforce. A recommendation would be to have, a toll free number that would be disseminated through television and written media to report illegal Haitians in you're neighborhood or place of work... This and other deterents like penalizing employers that hire illegal Haitians will solve the illegal migration woes facing the Dominican Republic, the wall must come up soon and it will. It takes time to make things work this is not a short term plan, this is a long term project and the results will be positive instead of doing nothing. The entire argument about a so-called "Wall" are the same arguments that I heard when I was a kid living in the D.R., Indeed, its safe for me say that your mothers, fathers, your grand-parents made these same ridiculous arguments 15,20,30 yrs ago. Yet still no "Wall", no barrier, no nothing. Instead, we have thousands more Haitians in the D.R., both legal and illegal. "if you want to know what Dominicans think, ask a Dominican". Yesterday, I did just that. I visited several construction sites in the D.R.. I went to the "front-line" of this alleged argument to hear from real Dominicans. Not the unemployed losers hovering around computer keyboards at all times thru-out the day & night. I found (23) Dominicans working at various construction sites. I asked them "How do you feel about the majority of jobs here being held by haitians"? ALL BUT 4 STATED, "We will never get this job done if all Dominicans were working here.", "Dominican men are lazy"! "They do not like hard work"! "i would rather work with a haitian"! three dominicans I spoke with said they had their sons working with them, and that after JUST ONE DAY, they quit or never returned to the job site. I say one more time "ONE DAY"!. I visited 11 different work sites, only 4 Dominicans voiced concerned about haitians working with them. of the 4, 3 changed their positions after hearing other dominicans said it was ok, or after they realized I was not Dominican. The notion that Dominicans are being deprived of jobs by Haitians is a bunch of B.S.. Which is evident by the fact that you, not me have presented no evidence to support it. Haitians do the work in the dominican republic that Dominicans, simply put, WILL NOT DO. The current economic boom being experienced in the D.R. is contributed to the great sacrifices and contibutions that these brave decent, hardworking, haitians have made to the Dominican Republic. And I along with Presidente Fernandez and all the Presidents before him who have heard crys for a "Wall", say THEY ARE HERE TO STAY Sounding like a broken record now, aren't we? THATS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE SAYING TO YOUR FELLOW DOMINICANS, REHASHING THE SAME ARGUMENTS YOUR FATHERS & MOTHERS MADE 15,20, 30 YRS AGO. HAITIANS ARE'NT GOING NO WHERE.! thats the problem with people like you that can't get the truth straight with the voice of difference. you are a sickening psycho path!!!!!! the arguments that you put are one dimentional. get that in your ape like brain tonto! Edited on 7/22/2009 4:42 PM by mirabal4ever. Conocer al cojo sentao! Las Aguilas son Las Aguilas!!!!!!!! |
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| #84 - Posted 22 July 2009, 4:02 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3152 Posts: 196 | Haiti not only has the highest birth rate in the entire western hemisphere. It also suffers from a high rate of maternal mortality as reported on this video. |
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| #85 - Posted 22 July 2009, 4:19 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3152 Posts: 196 | RE: The border wall must come up! Between Dominican Rep. & Haiti A project regarding birth control in Haiti. |
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| #86 - Posted 22 July 2009, 4:22 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3183 Posts: 71 | RE: The border wall must come up! Between Dominican Rep. & Haiti You are a paranoid racist, bent on trying to convince me that these haitians pose a threat to your country. I Discussed jobs because they (Haitians) work in jobs where the Dominican Republic has seen its greatest growth in. Your deep hatred for these Haitians are not about jobs, culture or anything else important for that matter. It is solely about race. It is the product of racism, bias and discrimination, and I refuse to feed into this notion or belief. You and the rest of these Dominican men are racist and there is no question about it. All the economic boom in the D.R. is contribute to the Haitian labor force. There was never, and has never been any serious consideration for investment in the D.R. because of a number of issues. One has always been the cost of labor. Once corporations and other investors found that there was a huge labor pool to tap into, considerations for investing in the D.R. became attractive. Yet they are not the only one realizing on Haitian labor. What I learned yesterday was that private land owners also employ haitians in various areas. This is obviously because of the low costs invloved in doing so. Thousands of haitians are used as domestic servants and labors. Indeed I use Haitians laborers to work around my own property in the D.R.. Only dominicans working with them are my two sons. And thats by force labor. Today, you like your fathers and grand-father before you, "say we need a Wall to keep these haitians out." Dominicans have little or no interaction with Haitians other than the working environments discussed above. What threat is there to your culture? If any thing, Haitians run the risk of losing their own cultural identity by living in the D.R. All of you talk about a "Wall", none make a serious discussion about the economic effect that would certainly come about, with the deportation of some 2 million Haitians. Thousands of Dominicans are presently employed in a hosts of positions because of the increase presence of Haitians in the D.R.. In the Health industry for example, thousands of new Dominican graduates enjoy jobs at various Hospitals and clinics because of the need for them. These students tell me that without Haitians, they would have no job. They would be a bunch of educated putas and putos running around the D.R. looking for gringos. The industries in which 85% of the workers are haitians would see a tremendous impact. Hundreds of projects currently in the works will be ceased. Millions of dollars for these projects have already passed hands. What do you think these Dominican and foreign investors are going to do if the labor force that supported its decision to invest there in the first instance is suddenly gone? Investors like myself, not the losers I'm listening to here. They will take to the streets, no they want complaint out loud about Haitians. They'll use some other cover issue. they will organize protests. there will be choas, killings, war. Then what will happen? Thousands of haitians and Dominicans will be killed. Most of them women and children. Why has the government done what you dumb Dominican fools want? Because President Lionell knows that this is what will occurr. He knows millions of dollars have been invested in projects in the D.R. now and in the future. He knows these investors will want their damn money back, and that Dominican republic has already invested that money elsewhere, and cannot pay it back without a economic meltdown. Trouble will certainly brew and when it does. it will provide the United States and the rest of the European community that support us the excuse we need to invade the Dominican Republic with the most powerful military force on the planet. We will evade your country, combine Haiti and the D.R. into one country, teach French and Spanish in the schools and wait 7 yrs. and you'll never know things had been different. None of you know nothing about government and how it is run in the 21 century. We'll give you a few headline grabbing arrests, so as to cool your heads. But the status quo remains. Haitians are a intricate part of the Dominican culture, they are the backbone of the exciting growth that I see everyday. I suggest you bigots go get jobs and find a better topic to discuss, because Haitians are in the Dominican Republic to stay. Edited on 7/22/2009 4:27 PM by Brasilenos. |
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| #87 - Posted 22 July 2009, 4:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3152 Posts: 196 | Brasilenos You are a paranoid racist, bent on trying to convince me that these haitians pose a threat to your country. I Discussed jobs because they (Haitians) work in jobs where the Dominican Republic has seen its greatest growth in. Your deep hatred for these Haitians are not about jobs, culture or anything else important for that matter. It is solely about race. It is the product of racism, bias and discrimination, and I refuse to feed into this notion or belief. You and the rest of these Dominican men are racist and there is no question about it. All the economic boom in the D.R. is contribute to the Haitian labor force. There was never, and has never been any serious consideration for investment in the D.R. because of a number of issues. One has always been the cost of labor. Once corporations and other investors found that there was a huge labor pool to tap into, considerations for investing in the D.R. became attractive. Yet they are not the only one realizing on Haitian labor. What I learned yesterday was that private land owners also employ haitians in various areas. This is obviously because of the low costs invloved in doing so. Thousands of haitians are used as domestic servants and labors. Indeed I use Haitians laborers to work around my own property in the D.R.. Only dominicans working with them are my two sons. And thats by force labor. Today, you like your fathers and grand-father before you, "say we need a Wall to keep these haitians out." Dominicans have little or no interaction with Haitians other than the working environments discussed above. What threat is there to your culture? If any thing, Haitians run the risk of losing their own cultural identity by living in the D.R. All of you talk about a "Wall", none make a serious discussion about the economic effect that would certainly come about, with the deportation of some 2 million Haitians. Thousands of Dominicans are presently employed in a hosts of positions because of the increase presence of Haitians in the D.R.. In the Health industry for example, thousands of new Dominican graduates enjoy jobs at various Hospitals and clinics because of the need for them. These students tell me that without Haitians, they would have no job. They would be a bunch of educated putas and putos running around the D.R. looking for gringos. The industries in which 85% of the workers are haitians would see a tremendous impact. Hundreds of projects currently in the works will be ceased. Millions of dollars for these projects have already passed hands. What do you think these Dominican and foreign investors are going to do if the labor force that supported its decision to invest there in the first instance is suddenly gone? Investors like myself, not the losers I'm listening to here. They will take to the streets, no they want complaint out loud about Haitians. They'll use some other cover issue. they will organize protests. there will be choas, killings, war. Then what will happen? Thousands of haitians and Dominicans will be killed. Most of them women and children. Why has the government done what you dumb Dominican fools want? Because President Lionell knows that this is what will occurr. He knows millions of dollars have been invested in projects in the D.R. now and in the future. He knows these investors will want their damn money back, and that Dominican republic has already invested that money elsewhere, and cannot pay it back without a economic meltdown. Trouble will certainly brew and when it does. it will provide the United States and the rest of the European community that support us the excuse we need to invade the Dominican Republic with the most powerful military force on the planet. We will evade your country, combine Haitian and the D.R. into one country, teach French and Spanish in the schools and wait 7 yrs. and you'll never know things had been different. None of you no nothing about government and how it is run in the 21 century. We'll give you a few headline grabbing arrests, so as to cool your heads. But the status quo remains. Haitians are a intricate part of the Dominican culture, they are the backbone of the exciting growth that I see everyday. I suggest you bigots go get jobs and find a better topic to discuss, because Haitians are in the Dominican Republic to stay. Gizmoe Why are you so vocal about illegal Haitians living in the D.R. With a name like Brasilenos? who are you trying to fool Haitiano! The gig is up sucker is time to leave or the s**t is going to hit the fan! Edited on 7/22/2009 4:28 PM by Gizmoe. |
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| #88 - Posted 22 July 2009, 4:28 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306 | RE: The border wall must come up! Between Dominican Rep. & Haiti Quote: Brasilenos previously said: I'm going to write alot of b.s., garbage and lies to try to convince you guys that 'everythings' okay'. I will use the race card, I will portray Dominicans as racist & greedy and will romanticize the Haitians as victims, I will ignore the negative impact uncontrolled illegal immigration poses, the massive influx of the poorest, etc. |
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| #89 - Posted 22 July 2009, 4:32 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3152 Posts: 196 | RE: The border wall must come up! Between Dominican Rep. & Haiti USADR Brasilenos I'm going to write alot of b.s., garbage and lies to try to convince you guys that 'everythings' okay'. I will use the race card, I will portray Dominicans as racist & greedy and will romanticize the Haitians as victims, I will ignore the negative impact uncontrolled illegal immigration poses, the massive influx of the poorest, etc. ![]() Gizmoe A Haitian troll! as expected thanks USADR. Edited on 7/22/2009 4:37 PM by Gizmoe. |
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| #90 - Posted 22 July 2009, 4:36 PM | |
Location: United States, Boston, MA Join date: October 2008 Member #: 1466 Posts: 3375 | RE: The border wall must come up! Between Dominican Rep. & Haiti Gizmoe, A Haitian troll pretending to be Brazilian? That is the funniest thing ever done in human existance! As an Afro-Brazilian, I think he should worry about his people who are prejudiced in Bahia, and the government. |
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