The caps are by accident, read the words, ignore the CAPS. I am with the Dominican Government on this issue and the millons of Dominicans who by virtue of their vote for the current adminstration. The Haitian probelm that you believe should be addressed by erecting a border WALL is a policy that has been proposed for decades, since I was a kid living in the D.R.

Comments discussing this issue is not a real concern for Dominican security or it's "so called" immigration problems, but a reflection of your deep seeded Hatred for haitians. This hatred will exist regardless of a Wall being errected. Because there still will be Haitians presence in the Country.

Why? Because they are needed to work in areas of the country in which Dominican, particularly Dominican men like yourself WILL NOT WORK IN. I and my ex-wife, MY DOMINICAN ex-wife (I MIGHT ADD) discussed this issue just last week and she said flat out.... "BRASIL...dominican men are lazy..we need Haitians in our country to do some of the work that dominican men want do... dominican men DO NOT LIKE HARD WORK". This is the truth and you know it.

These companies that built and bring construction to the D.R. do so on the believe that labor costs will be low. Removing Haitians will undermine this belief. Working alone side them to help bulit the D.R. works for the good of the entire island, it brings investment to the area. These Haitians are the back bone of the new construction going on in the D.R.

New railroad systems, factories, hotels, all built on the backs of Haitians with little or no labor costs. Eliza has posted hundreds of fotos of new construction around the D.R.. Whos building this? I suggest you deal with your hate and prejudice before you try in lexture me about anything.

I first arrived in the D.R. when I was a kid with my Dominican step-father, who is also lazy. My first friends were Haitians. Sure they were smelly, but so were many of the Dominicans I met. Shit, my son is smelly right now.. But, I knew nothing about the deep seeded hatred until i became older. Luckily for me, I had a Brasilian mother and American father who taught me that hate like the one I see here has no place in my heart and in a civilized society.

Who cares if it solves our problems, send them on their way. And you and your wife can join them.

Gizmoe
This is the border between the Dominican Republic and Haiti. The main problem here is basically the Dominican side of the border has to be cleared of it's population and towns and municipalities that fall near the Haitian border, atleast by a 15 miles to 20 miles distance. The commercialization of goods has to cease between the two country's in the border. These sellers and merchants should be inside of Haiti not in the border, if the border wall is to be erected. The border area should be a heavy militarized zone if we want the problem of illegal Haitians entering the country to subside.


Brasilenos
THIS LOOKS LIKE TRADE TO ME. ARE YOU SAYING THAT TRADE BETWEEN THE TWO COUNTRIES SHOULD END?

Gizmoe Yes the selling of goods should end in the border area. The merchandising should be done inside of Haiti, Dominicans are not the ones crossing illegaly to Haiti on the contrary Haitians are the ones entering massively into the Dominican Republic illegaly. The border has to be cleared of merchants, sellers and buyers.


Gizmoe Another thing escaped me that you said that don't make any sense Brasilenos. You mentioned Germany let me remind you the Dominican Republic is not part of Haiti or vice versa. So how can you come up with such an idiotic comparison! East and west Germany were the same country in the past so unification was natural.

Brasilenos
The concrete embodiment of the Iron Curtain was, of course, the Berlin Wall and the extended barrier separating East and West Germany, with its parallel chain-link fences and enclosed "death strip" controlled by machine-gun towers and minefields. Perhaps no wall in history has been more famous as a barrier to human freedom.

Walls along frontiers have always been potent symbols, not so much of security and power, but of insecurity, racism and xenophobia in some cases, of power gone mad. unilateral measure that goes against the spirit of understanding and cooperation that should exist between Haiti and the Dominican Republic. What you propose is a plan that is a affront to human dignity and to human rights .

A plan that effectively criminalizes migration and, by extension, poverty. It moreover contradicts the spirit of hemispheric free trade championed by the United States and other countries like Mexico and Guatemala. It is clear to me just how prejudicial a wall will be to relations between Haiti and the D.R. and the rest of Latin America.

PLEASE TELL me how much more alien a concept in relations between neighboring countries can there be than a dividing wall? Perhaps such a plan could only arise in a country that is a life bed for human rights violations. And there are other ironies, except that this is not a government or a people given to understanding irony.

America is herself a country made great by immigrants, some of them illegal immigrants from the Dominican Republic. Indeed, the same complaints I hear about Haitians are similar to those I hear from Puerto Ricans about Dominican migrating to their island. Should we build a wall around Puerto Rico too? Or maybe a wall around the Western states of the U.S.?

NO.. history has shown that walls do not resolve tensions within societies or across borders. Whatever barrier is built, it would, like other walls in history, be a reflection of exclusion, division and rejection. Building a wall will not solve Dominican security problems. Nor will it solve its immigration problems. If anything, it will exacerbate them. And it will hardly be a shining example of the goodwill of the Dominican Republic towards the rest of the Americas.

The Dominican government needs to recognize the human rights of Haitian migrants. It needs to work towards reform of its migratory laws. It needs to regularize their status and provide them with documentation. And it needs to work with Haiti to address the reason why millions of Haitians sneak into the Dominican Republic, and why a equal number of Dominican putas and others risk life, limb and dignity to sneak into Puerto Rico.




Gizmoe
Maybe we should allow all the Haitians to come in the Dominican Republic and give them everything they want? let's document all of them give them even the homes of Dominicans and even a bonus there cars. Are you serious you damn piece of living dead carcass, where is you're brain... We don't have to regulate and grant Dominican citizenship to people of a nation that have been destitute by there own goverment. Seriously Haitiano you need to send yourself asap to Bellevue and ask for a full lobotomy.

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The Dominican government needs to recognize the human rights of Haitian migrants. It needs to work towards reform of its migratory laws. It needs to regularize their status and provide them with documentation. And it needs to work with Haiti to address the reason why millions of Haitians sneak into the Dominican Republic, and why a equal number of Dominican putas and others risk life, limb and dignity to sneak into Puerto Rico.

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Mr. Brasilenos,
The overwhelming majority of women as you refered to who enter P.R. illegally as "putas" (your description, not mine) is so infinitesimal that corresponding a numercal value to that aggregate is completly inessential. It's surprising that someone who purports to be a defender of women would use such incendiary rhetorical florish to forward a position that cannot be factually proven by anyone, including the writer himself. The majority of illegal Dominicans that go to Puerto Rico go on to the US mainland since it is just a domestic flight from that point. The US does not have a homogenous culture, as you stated it was built into a great nation by immigrants so there is no cultural threat being imposed upon the US by Dominicans or any other immigration group. The Dominicans that stay in P.R. account for less than 3% of the population and if you include the fact that P.R. has the highest amount of resident Jews, Arabs, Cubans and Dominicans (that live outside of their national borders) in the Caribbean that number then raises to 5%. Those numbers pose no threat to the continuity of Puerto Rican culture, not in the very least. By contrast consider that the number of Haitians, illegal or not that live in the D.R. hovers by some accounts to be as high as 2 million people within the Dominican borders and you can clearly see that those numbers by sheer mass alone pose an absolute and viable threat to the continuity of Dominican sovereignty, culture and heritage. Why is there a problem with Dominicans wanting to maintan their sovereignty and cultural attributes and why is this standard not applied to other countries? European countries would never allow for a threat to their homogenous cultural bonds, to the point of even resorting to ethnic cleansing not only in historical times but in modern times as well.

The consideration of building a wall has to be considered very carefully. The immediate concerns would be the vast economic benefits realized by tourism within the D.R. will be fertile ground for attack by the detractors as a rallying cry to boycott DR tourism. Such a campaign and you know it will come can affect the economic viability of the island and create instant chaos and vast migration of Dominicans from their homeland that will then be used by those same detractors as a rallying point
to suggest "hypocritical irony". If you also consider that the D.R. exports just under 10% of the US total sugar imports you don't need a calculator to see that those are huge financial numbers, the sugar barons and their cartel fuel their greed by paying Haitian batey workers exploitive wages in order to maximize profits. The same can be said for the construction industry that also exploits the illegal Haitian workforce in order to fuel their greed. The painful irony in this equation is that the majority of the people that benefit from this exploitation are not even Dominican and yet the Dominican people are the ones who have to brave the threat of their continuity and sovereignty for something that mostly benefits non-Dominicans. Can anyone show me the equitable fairness of that? I defy anyone, anyone to show me how that is possibly or even remotely fair.

Finally, Mr. Brasilenos, are you really writing your posts because you intend to share a discussion of the Dominican condition? It seems to me that your posts only reflect to bash, discredit and slander Dominican culture and it's people and you do so with complete transparency. From telling Dominicans how they should self identify to excoriating them because they want to maintain their cultural identity to telling them how they should think about any topic you indulge. If you want to know what a Dominican thinks, why don't you just ask one instead of you telling us how and what they should think.

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The Dominican government needs to recognize the human rights of Haitian migrants. It needs to work towards reform of its migratory laws. It needs to regularize their status and provide them with documentation. And it needs to work with Haiti to address the reason why millions of Haitians sneak into the Dominican Republic, and why a equal number of Dominican putas and others risk life, limb and dignity to sneak into Puerto Rico.

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Mr. Brasilenos,
The overwhelming majority of women as you refered to who enter P.R. illegally as "putas" (your description, not mine) is so infinitesimal that corresponding a numercal value to that aggregate is completly inessential. It's surprising that someone who purports to be a defender of women would use such incendiary rhetorical florish to forward a position that cannot be factually proven by anyone, including the writer himself. The majority of illegal Dominicans that go to Puerto Rico go on to the US mainland since it is just a domestic flight from that point. The US does not have a homogenous culture, as you stated it was built into a great nation by immigrants so there is no cultural threat being imposed upon the US by Dominicans or any other immigration group. The Dominicans that stay in P.R. account for less than 3% of the population and if you include the fact that P.R. has the highest amount of resident Jews, Arabs, Cubans and Dominicans (that live outside of their national borders) in the Caribbean that number then raises to 5%. Those numbers pose no threat to the continuity of Puerto Rican culture, not in the very least. By contrast consider that the number of Haitians, illegal or not that live in the D.R. hovers by some accounts to be as high as 2 million people within the Dominican borders and you can clearly see that those numbers by sheer mass alone pose an absolutely and viable threat to the continuity of Dominican sovereignty, culture and heritage. Why is there a problem with Dominicans wanting to maintan their sovereignty and cultural attributes and why is this standard not applied to other countries? European countries would never allow for a threat to their homogenous cultural bonds, to the point of even resorting to ethnic cleansing not only in historical times but in modern times as well.

The consideration of building a wall has to be considered very carefully. The immediate concerns would be the vast economic benefits realized by tourism within the D.R. will be fertile ground for attack by the detractors as a rallying cry to boycott DR tourism. Such a campaign and you know it will come can affect the economic viability of the island and create instant chaos and vast migration of Dominicans from their homeland that will then be used by those same detractors as a rallying point
to suggest "hypocritical irony". If you also consider that the D.R. exports just under 10% of the US total sugar imports you don't need a calculator to see that those are huge financial numbers, the sugar barons and their cartel fuel their greed by paying Haitian batey workers exploitive wages in order to maximize profits. The same can be said for the construction industry that also exploits the illegal Haitian workforce in order to fuel their greed. The painful irony in this equation is that the majority of the people that benefit from this exploitation are not even Dominican and yet the Dominican people are the ones who have to brave the threat of their continuity and sovereignty for something that mostly benefits non-Dominicans. Can anyone show me the equitable fairness of that? I defy anyone, anyone to show me how that is possibly or even remotely fair.

Finally, Mr. Brasilenos, are you really writing your posts because you intend to share a discussion of the Dominican condition? It seems to me that your posts only reflect to bash, discredit and slander Dominican culture and it's people and you do so with complete transparency. From telling Dominicans how they should self identify to excoriating them because they want to maintain their cultural identity to telling them how they should think about any topic you indulge. If you want to know what a Dominican thinks, why don't you just ask one instead of you telling us how and what they should think.




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Bravo, Devin. Be prepared to be maligned and insulted by the fellow you addressed, however.

Here is the answer for any who didn't see it before :



Did you step-father touch you danny?

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The Dominican government needs to recognize the human rights of Haitian migrants. It needs to work towards reform of its migratory laws. It needs to regularize their status and provide them with documentation. And it needs to work with Haiti to address the reason why millions of Haitians sneak into the Dominican Republic, and why a equal number of Dominican putas and others risk life, limb and dignity to sneak into Puerto Rico.

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Mr. Brasilenos,
The overwhelming majority of women as you refered to who enter P.R. illegally as "putas" (your description, not mine) is so infinitesimal that corresponding a numercal value to that aggregate is completly inessential. It's surprising that someone who purports to be a defender of women would use such incendiary rhetorical florish to forward a position that cannot be factually proven by anyone, including the writer himself. The majority of illegal Dominicans that go to Puerto Rico go on to the US mainland since it is just a domestic flight from that point. The US does not have a homogenous culture, as you stated it was built into a great nation by immigrants so there is no cultural threat being imposed upon the US by Dominicans or any other immigration group. The Dominicans that stay in P.R. account for less than 3% of the population and if you include the fact that P.R. has the highest amount of resident Jews, Arabs, Cubans and Dominicans (that live outside of their national borders) in the Caribbean that number then raises to 5%. Those numbers pose no threat to the continuity of Puerto Rican culture, not in the very least. By contrast consider that the number of Haitians, illegal or not that live in the D.R. hovers by some accounts to be as high as 2 million people within the Dominican borders and you can clearly see that those numbers by sheer mass alone pose an absolute and viable threat to the continuity of Dominican sovereignty, culture and heritage. Why is there a problem with Dominicans wanting to maintan their sovereignty and cultural attributes and why is this standard not applied to other countries? European countries would never allow for a threat to their homogenous cultural bonds, to the point of even resorting to ethnic cleansing not only in historical times but in modern times as well.

The consideration of building a wall has to be considered very carefully. The immediate concerns would be the vast economic benefits realized by tourism within the D.R. will be fertile ground for attack by the detractors as a rallying cry to boycott DR tourism. Such a campaign and you know it will come can affect the economic viability of the island and create instant chaos and vast migration of Dominicans from their homeland that will then be used by those same detractors as a rallying point
to suggest "hypocritical irony". If you also consider that the D.R. exports just under 10% of the US total sugar imports you don't need a calculator to see that those are huge financial numbers, the sugar barons and their cartel fuel their greed by paying Haitian batey workers exploitive wages in order to maximize profits. The same can be said for the construction industry that also exploits the illegal Haitian workforce in order to fuel their greed. The painful irony in this equation is that the majority of the people that benefit from this exploitation are not even Dominican and yet the Dominican people are the ones who have to brave the threat of their continuity and sovereignty for something that mostly benefits non-Dominicans. Can anyone show me the equitable fairness of that? I defy anyone, anyone to show me how that is possibly or even remotely fair.

Finally, Mr. Brasilenos, are you really writing your posts because you intend to share a discussion of the Dominican condition? It seems to me that your posts only reflect to bash, discredit and slander Dominican culture and it's people and you do so with complete transparency. From telling Dominicans how they should self identify to excoriating them because they want to maintain their cultural identity to telling them how they should think about any topic you indulge. If you want to know what a Dominican thinks, why don't you just ask one instead of you telling us how and what they should think.


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Marvelous dissertation counselor, sin ningún desperdicio. Bravo.

Brasilenos
The Dominican government needs to recognize the human rights of Haitian migrants. It needs to work towards reform of its migratory laws. It needs to regularize their status and provide them with documentation. And it needs to work with Haiti to address the reason why millions of Haitians sneak into the Dominican Republic, and why a equal number of Dominican putas and others risk life, limb and dignity to sneak into Puerto Rico.

Devin
Mr. Brasilenos,
The overwhelming majority of women as you refered to who enter P.R. illegally as "putas" (your description, not mine) is so infinitesimal that corresponding a numercal value to that aggregate is completly inessential. It's surprising that someone who purports to be a defender of women would use such incendiary rhetorical florish to forward a position that cannot be factually proven by anyone, including the writer himself. The majority of illegal Dominicans that go to Puerto Rico go on to the US mainland since it is just a domestic flight from that point. The US does not have a homogenous culture, as you stated it was built into a great nation by immigrants so there is no cultural threat being imposed upon the US by Dominicans or any other immigration group. The Dominicans that stay in P.R. account for less than 3% of the population and if you include the fact that P.R. has the highest amount of resident Jews, Arabs, Cubans and Dominicans (that live outside of their national borders) in the Caribbean that number then raises to 5%. Those numbers pose no threat to the continuity of Puerto Rican culture, not in the very least. By contrast consider that the number of Haitians, illegal or not that live in the D.R. hovers by some accounts to be as high as 2 million people within the Dominican borders and you can clearly see that those numbers by sheer mass alone pose an absolute and viable threat to the continuity of Dominican sovereignty, culture and heritage. Why is there a problem with Dominicans wanting to maintan their sovereignty and cultural attributes and why is this standard not applied to other countries? European countries would never allow for a threat to their homogenous cultural bonds, to the point of even resorting to ethnic cleansing not only in historical times but in modern times as well.

The consideration of building a wall has to be considered very carefully. The immediate concerns would be the vast economic benefits realized by tourism within the D.R. will be fertile ground for attack by the detractors as a rallying cry to boycott DR tourism. Such a campaign and you know it will come can affect the economic viability of the island and create instant chaos and vast migration of Dominicans from their homeland that will then be used by those same detractors as a rallying point
to suggest "hypocritical irony". If you also consider that the D.R. exports just under 10% of the US total sugar imports you don't need a calculator to see that those are huge financial numbers, the sugar barons and their cartel fuel their greed by paying Haitian batey workers exploitive wages in order to maximize profits. The same can be said for the construction industry that also exploits the illegal Haitian workforce in order to fuel their greed. The painful irony in this equation is that the majority of the people that benefit from this exploitation are not even Dominican and yet the Dominican people are the ones who have to brave the threat of their continuity and sovereignty for something that mostly benefits non-Dominicans. Can anyone show me the equitable fairness of that? I defy anyone, anyone to show me how that is possibly or even remotely fair.

Finally, Mr. Brasilenos, are you really writing your posts because you intend to share a discussion of the Dominican condition? It seems to me that your posts only reflect to bash, discredit and slander Dominican culture and it's people and you do so with complete transparency. From telling Dominicans how they should self identify to excoriating them because they want to maintain their cultural identity to telling them how they should think about any topic you indulge. If you want to know what a Dominican thinks, why don't you just ask one instead of you telling us how and what they should think.



Generoso
Marvelous dissertation counselor, sin ningún desperdicio. Bravo.

Gizmo How inconsiderate Brasilenos.

The wall must come up! and that is a fact. We are not concerned what material to use for the wall, how long it should be, who is going to pay for it or build it, what we are concerned about is making our country the DR safe for Dominicans.
There is no security in our backyard in DR, because we have no fence. The times of the open grounds has passed. Now we need good fences, because they make us and Haiti, be good neighbors, and maybe a few bars and locks in the windows too.