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La lucha contra el racismo: Estas A Favor O En Contra?
INTERESANTE LA SOLUCION


En un avion va a quien sabe donde ...

- Cual es el problema, Sra? - Pregunta la azafata.

- Es que no lo ve? - Responde la dama - Me colocaron junto a un negro. No soporto estar lado de uno de estos seres repugnantes. Denme otro asiento!

- Por favor, calmese… - dice la azafata - Casi todos los asientos estan ocupados. Voy a ver si hay un lugar disponible.

La azafata se aleja y vuelve de nuevo algunos minutos mas tarde:

- Sra, ya como yo pensaba, no hay ya ningun lugar libre en la clase
economica. Hable con el comandante y me confirmo que no hay mas sitios disponibles en la clase economica. No obstante, tenemos aun un lugar en primera clase.

Antes de que la dama pueda hacer el menor comentario, la azafata sigue:

- Es del todo inusual permitir a una persona de la clase economica
sentarse en primera clase. Pero, vistas las circunstancias, el
comandante encuentra que seria escandaloso obligar a alguien a sentarse junto a una persona tan repugnante.

Y dirigiendose al negro, la azafata le dice:

- Si el Sr. Lo desea, tome su equipaje de mano, ya que un asiento en
primera clase le espera.

Y todos los pasajeros alrededor, que, sorprendidos, asistian a la escena se levantaron y aplaudieron...

Si luchas contra el racismo devuelve este mensaje a todos tus amigos, pero no apagues tu computadora, tu pagina o este foro sin haberlo enviado al menos una persona. Es hora de cambiar el viejo modo de pensar, porque cuando se ha obtenido nosotros? Solo en el odio mas profundo de nosotros mismos como seres humanos. Es la semana de lucha contra el racismo, participa!!!!

P.S: "The future is not a gift; it is an achievement. Every generation helps make its own future. This is the essential challenge of the present." Robert F. Kennedy.



Edited on 6/20/2008 9:47 PM by Moderator.
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#2 - Posted 11 June 2008, 7:57 PM
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RE: EL LUCHA CONTRA EL RACISMO: Estas A Favor O En Contra?
Quote:
NègMawon previously said:

INTERESANTE LA SOLUCION


En un avion va a quien sabe donde ...

- Cual es el problema, Sra? - Pregunta la azafata.

- Es que no lo ve? - Responde la dama - Me colocaron junto a un negro. No soporto estar lado de uno de estos seres repugnantes. Denme otro asiento!

- Por favor, calmese… - dice la azafata - Casi todos los asientos estan ocupados. Voy a ver si hay un lugar disponible.

La azafata se aleja y vuelve de nuevo algunos minutos mas tarde:

- Sra, ya como yo pensaba, no hay ya ningun lugar libre en la clase
economica. Hable con el comandante y me confirmo que no hay mas sitios disponibles en la clase economica. No obstante, tenemos aun un lugar en primera clase.

Antes de que la dama pueda hacer el menor comentario, la azafata sigue:

- Es del todo inusual permitir a una persona de la clase economica
sentarse en primera clase. Pero, vistas las circunstancias, el
comandante encuentra que seria escandaloso obligar a alguien a sentarse junto a una persona tan repugnante.

Y dirigiendose al negro, la azafata le dice:

- Si el Sr. Lo desea, tome su equipaje de mano, ya que un asiento en
primera clase le espera.

Y todos los pasajeros alrededor, que, sorprendidos, asistian a la escena se levantaron y aplaudieron...

Si luchas contra el racismo devuelve este mensaje a todos tus amigos, pero no apagues tu computadora, tu pagina o este foro sin haberlo enviado al menos una persona. Es hora de cambiar el viejo modo de pensar, porque cuando se ha obtenido nosotros? Solo en el odio mas profundo de nosotros mismos como seres humanos. Es la semana de lucha contra el racismo, participa!!!!


NeW ToPiC, Yeyyy!!!
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#3 - Posted 14 June 2008, 5:12 AM
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RE: LA LUCHA CONTRA EL RACISMO: Estas A Favor O En Contra?
Quote:
YoSoyHispanolano previously said:

Quote:
NègMawon previously said:

INTERESANTE LA SOLUCION


En un avion va a quien sabe donde ...

- Cual es el problema, Sra? - Pregunta la azafata.

- Es que no lo ve? - Responde la dama - Me colocaron junto a un negro. No soporto estar lado de uno de estos seres repugnantes. Denme otro asiento!

- Por favor, calmese… - dice la azafata - Casi todos los asientos estan ocupados. Voy a ver si hay un lugar disponible.

La azafata se aleja y vuelve de nuevo algunos minutos mas tarde:

- Sra, ya como yo pensaba, no hay ya ningun lugar libre en la clase
economica. Hable con el comandante y me confirmo que no hay mas sitios disponibles en la clase economica. No obstante, tenemos aun un lugar en primera clase.

Antes de que la dama pueda hacer el menor comentario, la azafata sigue:

- Es del todo inusual permitir a una persona de la clase economica
sentarse en primera clase. Pero, vistas las circunstancias, el
comandante encuentra que seria escandaloso obligar a alguien a sentarse junto a una persona tan repugnante.

Y dirigiendose al negro, la azafata le dice:

- Si el Sr. Lo desea, tome su equipaje de mano, ya que un asiento en
primera clase le espera.

Y todos los pasajeros alrededor, que, sorprendidos, asistian a la escena se levantaron y aplaudieron...

Si luchas contra el racismo devuelve este mensaje a todos tus amigos, pero no apagues tu computadora, tu pagina o este foro sin haberlo enviado al menos una persona. Es hora de cambiar el viejo modo de pensar, porque cuando se ha obtenido nosotros? Solo en el odio mas profundo de nosotros mismos como seres humanos. Es la semana de lucha contra el racismo, participa!!!!


NeW ToPiC, Yeyyy!!!


Wilgeens Rosenberg
"Ti Domimiken-Ayisyen-Jwif La"
NègMawon
BeReady2Ride@yahoo.com
#4 - Posted 14 June 2008, 11:47 AM
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Estoy a favor de la lucha contra el racismo. pero que sea ecuanime,no solamente el racismo del blanco contra los negros,tambien el racismo de los negros contra los blancos.
#5 - Posted 18 June 2008, 4:01 PM
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carbelk99 previously said:

Estoy a favor de la lucha contra el racismo. pero que sea ecuanime,no solamente el racismo del blanco contra los negros,tambien el racismo de los negros contra los blancos.


Watch how they will delete every rebuttal posts anyone make against certain racial comments and remarks made by most Dominicans. This is exactly this site intent to censor the views of those who do not sympathize and empathize with DR or most Dominicans on their racial stances and views of Haitians. The question many of you on here need to ask yourselves is: How is this impartially a constructive way to debate anything?

1. When will Dominican Today banned or delete Dominican members for using defaming condescending remarks about Haiti & Haitians?

Their rules says: "Write your opinion here. Please keep your comment relevant to this article. Please note that any comments which contain offensive language or discriminatory expressions may be edited/removed. Please read our terms of use and posting rules. Any comment containing vulgar language, offense to other posters/general public or the majority of text in uppercase, will be deleted."

2. Was this ambiguity directed to only those whoa re Haitians or not sharing the same racial views of most Dominicans?

3. When will your rules and guidelines stop being partially biased and that caters to only Dominicans to speak their condescending racist views meanwhile while censoring the views of others who opposed the views and blatant racial remarks made by Dominicans on this site?

Lastly: Surely they have not deleted most of the radical extreme racial comments and remarks made by many Dominicans on here...

Do you see what is fishy with this site?
Edited on 6/18/2008 4:03 PM by AfroLatinoAmericano.
#6 - Posted 18 June 2008, 6:29 PM
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RE: LA LUCHA CONTRA EL RACISMO: Estas A Favor O En Contra?
Please stop your obsession with this website!

You know you are the same person coming in here and posting your hatred and frustrations over and over again. Your full time job seems to be to spread as many defamations and lies about our beautiful country as possible.

Well, do it elsewhere buddy, but not on this website. FOOL!!!

Get a new hobby or find yourself a job.



Edited on 6/18/2008 6:36 PM by buenoha.
#7 - Posted 19 June 2008, 10:15 AM
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Quote:
AfroLatinoAmericano previously said:

Quote:
carbelk99 previously said:

Estoy a favor de la lucha contra el racismo. pero que sea ecuanime,no solamente el racismo del blanco contra los negros,tambien el racismo de los negros contra los blancos.


Watch how they will delete every rebuttal posts anyone make against certain racial comments and remarks made by most Dominicans. This is exactly this site intent to censor the views of those who do not sympathize and empathize with DR or most Dominicans on their racial stances and views of Haitians. The question many of you on here need to ask yourselves is: How is this impartially a constructive way to debate anything?

1. When will Dominican Today banned or delete Dominican members for using defaming condescending remarks about Haiti & Haitians?

Their rules says: "Write your opinion here. Please keep your comment relevant to this article. Please note that any comments which contain offensive language or discriminatory expressions may be edited/removed. Please read our terms of use and posting rules. Any comment containing vulgar language, offense to other posters/general public or the majority of text in uppercase, will be deleted."

2. Was this ambiguity directed to only those whoa re Haitians or not sharing the same racial views of most Dominicans?

3. When will your rules and guidelines stop being partially biased and that caters to only Dominicans to speak their condescending racist views meanwhile while censoring the views of others who opposed the views and blatant racial remarks made by Dominicans on this site?

Lastly: Surely they have not deleted most of the radical extreme racial comments and remarks made by many Dominicans on here...

Do you see what is fishy with this site?



The reason you are finding carbelk's post irritating Hispanolano, frankly, is beyond me. If you didn't undertand it, let me translate it so you'll find the equanimity of it: "I'm in favour of the struggle against racism, but not just agains the one of whites against blacks, but also the one coming from blacks against whites". Come on, would you have the nerve to tell me that instances of racism from blacks againts whites have been unexistent? For your info, today there's the example of Angola and Zimbabwe, the regimes which have expropiated unjustly the property of some of the inhabitants for the fact of these people being white, as it happened on Haiti during their independence struggle. And please, don't come to me with the tall tale of the difference between discriminative racism (the one coming from whites or near whites) and the revolutionary one (coming from blacks/people of colour against whites), because netiher of them have the moral high ground. Both are the same BS that needs to be stopped if we're to achieve some level of peace between all this madness.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
—The Sith Code
#8 - Posted 19 June 2008, 10:37 AM
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RE: LA LUCHA CONTRA EL RACISMO: Estas A Favor O En Contra?
Quote:
Lautaro previously said:

Quote:
AfroLatinoAmericano previously said:

Quote:
carbelk99 previously said:

Estoy a favor de la lucha contra el racismo. pero que sea ecuanime,no solamente el racismo del blanco contra los negros,tambien el racismo de los negros contra los blancos.


Watch how they will delete every rebuttal posts anyone make against certain racial comments and remarks made by most Dominicans. This is exactly this site intent to censor the views of those who do not sympathize and empathize with DR or most Dominicans on their racial stances and views of Haitians. The question many of you on here need to ask yourselves is: How is this impartially a constructive way to debate anything?

1. When will Dominican Today banned or delete Dominican members for using defaming condescending remarks about Haiti & Haitians?

Their rules says: "Write your opinion here. Please keep your comment relevant to this article. Please note that any comments which contain offensive language or discriminatory expressions may be edited/removed. Please read our terms of use and posting rules. Any comment containing vulgar language, offense to other posters/general public or the majority of text in uppercase, will be deleted."

2. Was this ambiguity directed to only those whoa re Haitians or not sharing the same racial views of most Dominicans?

3. When will your rules and guidelines stop being partially biased and that caters to only Dominicans to speak their condescending racist views meanwhile while censoring the views of others who opposed the views and blatant racial remarks made by Dominicans on this site?

Lastly: Surely they have not deleted most of the radical extreme racial comments and remarks made by many Dominicans on here...

Do you see what is fishy with this site?



The reason you are finding carbelk's post irritating Hispanolano, frankly, is beyond me. If you didn't undertand it, let me translate it so you'll find the equanimity of it: "I'm in favour of the struggle against racism, but not just agains the one of whites against blacks, but also the one coming from blacks against whites". Come on, would you have the nerve to tell me that instances of racism from blacks againts whites have been unexistent? For your info, today there's the example of Angola and Zimbabwe, the regimes which have expropiated unjustly the property of some of the inhabitants for the fact of these people being white, as it happened on Haiti during their independence struggle. And please, don't come to me with the tall tale of the difference between discriminative racism (the one coming from whites or near whites) and the revolutionary one (coming from blacks/people of colour against whites), because netiher of them have the moral high ground. Both are the same BS that needs to be stopped if we're to achieve some level of peace between all this madness.


Oh you are right!

I am against racism of any kind... All or any kind of racism is unjustified period. Also you are right there is such a thing as reverse racism. Nonetheless that reverse racism at times tend to have a slight retaliation motivation from experience or harbored resentments of certain individuals.
Edited on 6/19/2008 11:25 AM by Consuello.
#9 - Posted 19 June 2008, 10:37 AM
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RE: LA LUCHA CONTRA EL RACISMO: Estas A Favor O En Contra?
Quote:
Lautaro previously said:

Quote:
AfroLatinoAmericano previously said:

Quote:
carbelk99 previously said:

Estoy a favor de la lucha contra el racismo. pero que sea ecuanime,no solamente el racismo del blanco contra los negros,tambien el racismo de los negros contra los blancos.


Watch how they will delete every rebuttal posts anyone make against certain racial comments and remarks made by most Dominicans. This is exactly this site intent to censor the views of those who do not sympathize and empathize with DR or most Dominicans on their racial stances and views of Haitians. The question many of you on here need to ask yourselves is: How is this impartially a constructive way to debate anything?

1. When will Dominican Today banned or delete Dominican members for using defaming condescending remarks about Haiti & Haitians?

Their rules says: "Write your opinion here. Please keep your comment relevant to this article. Please note that any comments which contain offensive language or discriminatory expressions may be edited/removed. Please read our terms of use and posting rules. Any comment containing vulgar language, offense to other posters/general public or the majority of text in uppercase, will be deleted."

2. Was this ambiguity directed to only those whoa re Haitians or not sharing the same racial views of most Dominicans?

3. When will your rules and guidelines stop being partially biased and that caters to only Dominicans to speak their condescending racist views meanwhile while censoring the views of others who opposed the views and blatant racial remarks made by Dominicans on this site?

Lastly: Surely they have not deleted most of the radical extreme racial comments and remarks made by many Dominicans on here...

Do you see what is fishy with this site?



The reason you are finding carbelk's post irritating Hispanolano, frankly, is beyond me. If you didn't undertand it, let me translate it so you'll find the equanimity of it: "I'm in favour of the struggle against racism, but not just agains the one of whites against blacks, but also the one coming from blacks against whites". Come on, would you have the nerve to tell me that instances of racism from blacks againts whites have been unexistent? For your info, today there's the example of Angola and Zimbabwe, the regimes which have expropiated unjustly the property of some of the inhabitants for the fact of these people being white, as it happened on Haiti during their independence struggle. And please, don't come to me with the tall tale of the difference between discriminative racism (the one coming from whites or near whites) and the revolutionary one (coming from blacks/people of colour against whites), because netiher of them have the moral high ground. Both are the same BS that needs to be stopped if we're to achieve some level of peace between all this madness.


I do not nor did not find Carbelk's post to be irritating at all; so it is beyond me as well... What gives you the idea that I find it irritating? Thus no need translate it, however in those terms I only simply agree... read bellow.

Oh you are right!

I am against racism of all and any kind... I understood what exactly what Carbelk had to say. All or/and any kind of racism is unjustified period. Also you are right there is such a thing as reverse racism. Nonetheless that reverse racism at times tend to have a slight retaliation motivation from experience or harbored resentments of certain individuals.

As for Haiti, once again what I have just mentioned come into play as well as to add that it was in all its sense revolutionary and at that time necessary no matter how unjustifiable it may seem today in our eyes because like you said it was for the cause of "Independence." Much like I am not mad at many Dominicans if some resented feelings are still part of their lives against Haitians as to how they ended up gaining their independence (By the way I must remind you as I do everyone else, DR gets their Independence from Spain, not Haiti). Now let us move on and be in the moment of today to say, given the situation between the two respective Nations or Countries such as DR & Haiti you are right both and any kind of racism has to be stopped as we can agree on. Should we not be more Pro-Active towards conserving and protecting Human Rights, should we not start engaging into more diplomatic dialogues toward a respective path of reconciliation?

My point exactly that none kind of racism ever has any moral high grounds and the youths of both Nations need to start getting involve by organize movement toward that peace that certain old fashion people do not seem prone to allow us the chance to progress for. So both of us are those youths in question, what do we do and what is stopping us already? Because...

"The future is not a gift; it is an achievement. Every generation helps make its own future. This is the essential challenge of the present." Robert F. Kennedy.

Edited on 6/20/2008 12:16 AM by Consuello.
#10 - Posted 19 June 2008, 10:51 AM
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For example Lautaro,

This website has some double standard rules where Dominicans get to say any defaming condescending insults to Haitians that are clearly considered extremely anti-semitic, racist and filled with resentment and hatred, yet those remarks and their posters are still here even after several reports on those remarks for the inappropriateness .

Be it if this site was Dominican Today or Dominican Only website... if they do not want to see Haitians coming to this site they need to stop posting defaming Articles that are offensive to Haitians. Tell me if that is not bias and partially discriminative. So it is okay when Dominicans insult Haitians in all kinds of way, but when a Haitian rebuke those negativities they are the ones who get censored huh. A total reflection on how business is being conducted in DR against the Haitians and those are the things they do not want to be called upon as the racial injustice that it is and represents against Haitian people. Believe me, it is hard and things like this are taking a toll on me and indeed I am passionate about DR-HAITI AFFAIRS because it is personal and dear to me especially that I am of both blood and I have had family on both sides died in this constant racial divide battle. That is why I am a Human Rights Activist and have volunteered my service to many missionaries on both sides of the Island. So, you can understand how caught in the middle I am to find a peaceful resolution for both nations. Thus, had it been the remarks of those they suspect to be Haitians or someone else's remarks that did not seem to be the least in favor and accordance with DR or Dominicans those members and their posts, comments and remarks get either banned or deleted. This site needs to stop allowing those insult comments about Haitians or from Haitians about Dominicans.

So for whom those rules really were meant for on this site? Hmm, it would not be of any paranoia if the word "Haitians" came to mind because that is how it will be perceived by those Haitians who are stumbling on those kinds of remarks and many Dominicans expect for those Haitians to simply look the other way and not voice out their opinion on those remarks. So why I do not see Dominicans reporting the condescending negative remarks made by other fellow Dominicans that is adding insult to the already existed injury of the conflict between the two great respective Nations?


PS: In whole, this site is promoting, fueling as well as feeding the negativism in sentiments as well as this site is as much part of the problem of the Island and not the solution if the rules are not being enforced or reenforced equally all across the board for both Haitians & Dominicans.
Edited on 6/19/2008 10:54 AM by Consuello.